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Post by mnbison on Sept 23, 2010 16:51:00 GMT -6
If you don't like a split conference then you better stop watching college football. Plus, I don't get how you aren't for that because it says on travel cost, which means more money saved....just saying. I never got the people who don't like split conferences I guess. You're not crowning a true conference champ if everyone doesn't go head to head. This is not like an FBS conference, there will be no championship game, if I'm wrong about that please tell me, I might change my tune. Do I really have to stop watching college football now? I can see why you like it, it gets you into a conference, to hell with everything else, right? Like I said, it's not an anti-Yote take, just how I see it but if you were looking to move into a bus conference then maybe the NSIC would've been a better choice. NDSU flies to all conference games now other than SDSU and drove once to UNI, so it's not like the Bison are going to save a boatload of money.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Sept 23, 2010 17:45:03 GMT -6
I think the economy shows why saving money is good, and that's why the scheduling should be worked out so the top teams in each division face each other yearly. Yes, the schedule would have to be tweeted yearly for that, but do it that way. Yes, there are surprise teams, but there are ways to make it better. Sorry to the bottom-feeder teams, but this could also maybe help their records and somehow maybe make their programs better with more W's.
I didn't see it as an anti-Yote thing, and it didn't come across that way
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 23, 2010 20:22:40 GMT -6
The Big Ten is FBS and has not played a round robin schedul since 1993 when Penn State joined. The CAA has divisions, the Sky is moving that way.
The objection that the SU's have to expanding the conference comes out of their hatred of the U's. A blind man can see that.
We might not even be headed to MVFC, we could head to the Sky.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Sept 23, 2010 20:26:19 GMT -6
Yes, but that would require USD to exit the Summit League after not even really being a part of it. I don't think that would go over too well.....
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 23, 2010 20:38:42 GMT -6
Yeah, well getting stiff armed by the MVFC when our brother Summit schools are in it and not even sticking up for us doesn't really leave me feeling to loyal to that conference. Besides, the Summit is a revolving door anyway. If you go over to Bisonville the Bison are WAC or MAC bound in a couple short years anyway.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Sept 23, 2010 21:14:26 GMT -6
Yeah....going to the WAC and MAC is TOTALLY different, because it's a jump up in a level. It's vertical, not horizontal honestly. Completely different.
Also, they haven't stuck up for us? What are you even talking about? Not everyone needs to be on USD's case, and from what I know, there has been a lot of talk about USD in the MVFC from people in the Summit that are in the MVFC.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 21:15:44 GMT -6
The Big Ten is FBS and has not played a round robin schedul since 1993 when Penn State joined. The CAA has divisions, the Sky is moving that way. The objection that the SU's have to expanding the conference comes out of their hatred of the U's. A blind man can see that. We might not even be headed to MVFC, we could head to the Sky. I doubt it. Bus rides trumps the air line ride in most adminstrators books now days. Joining the BSC will do that . I think the cost of air travel was what prevented SDSU and NDSU from getting an invite, this part in my opinon has not changed. I dont see any hatred coming from SDSU on this issue.
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 23, 2010 21:19:02 GMT -6
I was being sarcastic on the NDSU going FBS thing. SOme over there think a Big Ten invite is imminent.
If you listen to the fans of the SU's they are not exactly happy about the U's being D1 much less excited about the possibility we could be conference mates again.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Sept 23, 2010 21:36:57 GMT -6
Yeah I am pretty sure a lot of that talk ended after the U beat Minnesota, so it's not exactly what they think, USD proved it on the field. Plus they are fans and not admins of the universities like Justin Sell and Gene Taylor. I am pretty sure if Taylor still held a grudge USD would not be playing NDSU this weekend. They make the real decision.
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 23, 2010 21:47:22 GMT -6
Oh but Taylor does hold a grudge, against UND. He has been very vocal at Teammaker meetings about how NDSU will not schedule UND.
I know this because I obviously read too much.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Sept 23, 2010 22:34:04 GMT -6
There were a lot of teams that wouldn't and still won't schedule UND for many reasons beside the move to D-I basically, so that isn't the greatest example. Remember how many conferences have sort of shunned them so far, to go along with universities? Taylor isn't exactly far off in that with the rest of the country. Not even the NCAA likes UND.
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Post by mnbison on Sept 23, 2010 22:38:00 GMT -6
Oh but Taylor does hold a grudge, against UND. He has been very vocal at Teammaker meetings about how NDSU will not schedule UND. I know this because I obviously read too much. So then how do you explain NDSU's offer to play UND in football only to have their AD say no? Let's not even talk about how the Bison have played the Sioux in baseball, volleyball, soccer and will play in basketball in December of this year in the Fargodome.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 23, 2010 22:55:03 GMT -6
I have to wonder whether USD beating NDSU will actually slightly decrease USD's chances to get into the football Valley. I think winning at Minnesota was a good thing but does the Valley want USD threatening to win it right off the bat in a couple of years. I would vote that a win would help more but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Sept 23, 2010 23:19:54 GMT -6
Why would it be bad if a new member had a shot at winning the league right away? Wouldn't that speak to the quality of the team that was just brought it and would make the conference tougher?
And very good point MNBison. If Taylor is really that angry at UND, why are they playing them in those sports?
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 24, 2010 7:55:10 GMT -6
Don't shoot the messenger on this. I'm just reiterating things that are frequently said over on Bisonville about Taylor no scheduling UND. Yes, they have scheduled in other sports.
As for UND, they're retiring the nickname, that whole controversy did cost them when it came to conference expansion. That should be behind them.
CF is kinda right, success almost kept NDSU out of the last MVFC expansion. They were seen as a big threat to the traditional powers.
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