2023/24 Summit MBB

[kiyoat]

Summit League 2023/24
Men's Basketball

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2023/24 Preseason Poll
(Voted by Coach/SID/Media)
(Oct 10, 2023)

Rank	Team	Votes (1st Place)
1.	SDSU	600(27)
2.	ORU	510(7)
3.	NDSU	482(2)
4.	St Thomas	386
5.	North Dakota	374
6.	South Dakota	274
7.	Omaha	252
8.	Kansas City	201
9.	Denver	161

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2023 Weekly Standings

Wk	Wk8	Wk9	Wk10	Wk11	Wk12	Wk13	Wk14	Wk15	Wk16	Wk17
Date	Jan1	8	19	22	29	Feb 5	12	19	28	Mar 4
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1	UST (1)	"	Den(1)	SDSU	SDSU	SDSU(1)	SDSU	UND	SDSU
2	SDSU (1)	"	SDSU(1)	UST(2)	UST(2)	UND(1)	UND	SDSU	UND	UND(2)
3	Den (3)	"	UST(3)	Den(2)	Den(2)	UST(3)	UST	UST	NDSU(3)	KC(2)
4	ORU (3)	"	UNO(3)	UNO(4)	UND(2)	UNO(3)	NDSU	NDSU(4)	KC(3)	UST
5	UNO (3)	"	USD	UND(4)	UNO(5)	ORU(3)	UNO(5)	KC(4)	UST	NDSU
6	KC (3)	"	UND(6)	USD(6)	ORU(5)	Den(6)	ORU(5)	UNO(6)	UNO	UNO
7	USD (3)	"	ORU(6)	NDSU(6)	KC	KC (6)	Den(5)	Den(6)	Den	Den
8	NDSU (8)	"	NDSU(8)	KC(6)	NDSU	NDSU	KC(5)	ORU	ORU	ORU(8)
9	UND (8)	"	KC(8)	ORU	USD	USD	USD	USD	USD	USD(8)

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2023 Weekly NET Rankings

Wk	Wk4	Wk5	Wk6	Wk7	Wk8	Wk9	Wk10
Date	Dec 4	11	18	25	Jan1	8	19
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1	159 ORU	145 SDSU	145 Den	146 Den	131 UST	131 UST	135 UST
2	164 SDSU	155 Den	146 SDSU	175 UST	148 Den	156 SDSU	141 Den
3	175 UST	159 ORU	172 UST	186 ORU	193 SDSU	157 Den	159 SDSU
4	176 Den	176 NDSU	184 ORU	203 NDSU	195 ORU	198 ORU
5	195 NDSU	189 UST	198 NDSU	204 SDSU			227 ORU
---					240 NDSU	247 NDSU	248 UNO
6	230 UND	233 USD	259 UND	247 UND	275 UNO	250 UNO	252 NDSU
7	236 USD	273 KC	273 USD	285 USD	283 KC	265 KC	291 UND
8	254 UNO	288 UND	280 UNO	286 UNO	286 USD	302 UND	297 KC
9	314 KC	304 UNO	283 KC	291 KC	288 UND	303 USD	298 USD

Wk	Wk11	Wk12	Wk13	Wk14	Wk15	Wk16	Wk17
Date	Jan 22	29	Feb 5	12	19	28	Mar 4
----			147 UST	145 UST	151 UST	162 SDSU	153 SDSU
1	138 UST	155 UST	170 SDSU	167 SDSU	172 SDSU	166 UST	154 UST
2	148 SDSU	159 SDSU
3	163 Den	191 Den	214 Den	213 Den	228 Den	227 NDSU	232 KC
---		224 ORU	215 ORU	233 ORU	237 UND	245 UND	237 UND
4	233 ORU	234 UNO	235 UNO	251 NDSU	244 NDSU	246 Den	259 NDSU
5	244 NDSU	257 NDSU	260 NDSU	255 UNO	261 UNO	258 KC	268 Den
6	261 UNO	264 UND	263 UND	265 UND	265 KC	266 UNO	272 UNO
7	278 UND	278 KC	275 KC	269 KC	266 ORU	271 ORU	275 ORU
8	290 KC
9	312 USD	316 USD	322 USD	321 USD	318 USD	319 USD	318 USD

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Summit League Tournament

SLT Website
Location: Denny Sanford PREMIER Center (Sioux Falls, SD)
Date: March 8-12 2024

Play-In Round (Friday, March 8)
Quarterfinals (Sat-Sun, March 9-10)
Semifinals (Monday, March 11)
Finals (Tuesday, March 12)
Automatic Bid to NCAA Tournament*

Nine-Team Tournament
Bottom two teams play in a play-in game
*St Thomas is not eligible for an auto-bid due to its transition to D1

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[kiyoat]

[kiyoat]

2023-24 Preseason Summit League Player of the Year

Zeke Mayo, South Dakota State



Preseason All-Summit League First Team

Luke Appel, ........South Dakota State, RSr., F
Parker Bjorklund, St. Thomas, ...........Gr., F
Frankie Fidler, .....Omaha, .................Jr., F
Zeke Mayo, ........South Dakota State, Jr., G
Issac McBride, ....Oral Roberts, ..........Sr., G
Boden Skunberg, North Dakota State, Sr., G


Preseason All-Summit League Second Team

Tommy Bruner, ......Denver, .................Sr., G
William Kyle III, ....South Dakota State, So., F
Andrew Morgan, ....North Dakota State, Jr., F
B.J. Omot, ............North Dakota, ........So., F
Kareem Thompson, Oral Roberts, .........Gr., G

[kiyoat]

Week 4 Update (Dec 4)

I updated the first post to have all the weekly standings and NET rankings.

It's hard to comment on how good teams are going to be this year due to the uneven non-con schedules... SDSU ORU and NDSU seem to be living up to the preseason ranking, but I don't feel like any of them are unbeatable.  I think there will be a ton of parity in the men's race this year.  More even than on the women's side.

I was looking at "good wins" and "bad losses" so far for Summit Men's teams... there are too many "bad losses" to compile.  Almost every team has one or two.  Here's what I found for good wins:

St Thomas over Portland State (NET#70)
ORU over Tulsa (NET#178)

[lakesbison]

Bunny turds getting raced at home

32-14 by Kent state. Hate to see it

[kiyoat]

Week 5 Update:

I've posted new NET rankings for the league in the first post...  USD increased slightly, and  moved up from 7th to 6th place.

I think the bigger trend is that as a mid-major conference it's good to have at least one or two teams close to or just inside a #100 ranking.  This year we don't have that yet, and likely won't.  SDSU leads the conference with a #145 rank, and the upper half are between 145 and 190, with the lower half in the 200s.  So that points to some parity, but we already knew that.

Another surprise to me is Denver.  Picked last in the preseason, but sitting 4-4 with a #155 NET ranking.  They don't really have a good win, though.  Best was beating #196 Nichols State 91-85 (quadrant 3 win).  They do have a couple of bad losses.  Their most impressive game might be a recent 10-point loss to AP#13 Colorado State.

SDSU's most recent game is probably their best win.  They beat #97 Wichita State on the road 79-69.

ORU took #80 Kansas State to overtime a couple of weeks ago, tied at 72-72, but were then dominated in OT 6-16

Upcoming big non-con games (almost every day):

Tuesday
8PM ORU at #74 Texas Tech (ESPN+)

Wednesday
8PM Denver at AP#14 BYU (ESPN+)

Thursday
7PM St Thomas @ AP#8 Marquette (Fox Sports 1)

Saturday
9PM USD @ #69 UC-Irvine (ESPN+)

Sunday
4PM ORU @ #136 Oklahoma State (ESPN+)

[kiyoat]

Week 6 Update:

I've posted new NET rankings for the league in the first post...  These rankings for the men are moving around a lot.  I just think there is a ton of parity and not enough data to solidify rankings.

Denver continues to rise in the NET rankings, taking over the top spot.

The only game I would classify as surprising would be Omaha beating #271 Stetson at home 88-80.  They weren't favored.

Upcoming big non-con games:

Tuesday
7PM NDSU @ #102 Southern Illinois (ESPN+)

Wednesday
6:30PM North Dakota @ #51 Nebraska (BTN+)

[kiyoat]

Here are a few stat comparisons just ahead of conference play:

Massey's Strength of Schedule: ( I like it better than RPI SOS)

128 ORU (+ ave)
157 SDSU

226 KC (- ave)
237 NDSU

325 UND (bad)

342 USD (very bad)
345 Omaha
347 Denver
351 St Thomas

[kiyoat]

Offensive Rating (points per 100 possessions)

50 Denver 113.3 (very good)

174 USD ...104.1 (average)
174 UST ...104.1
189 ORU ..103.8
204 NDSU 103.2

235 UND ...101.4 (below ave)
240 SDSU 101.2

279 KC .......97.6 (bad)
280 Omaha .97.5

Defensive Rating (points allowed/ 100 poss)

155 UST 103.1 (ave)

218 UND ...106.5 (below ave)
231 SDSU 107.4
260 Omaha 109.3

294 NDSU 111.6 (bad)
294 KC ......111.6
296 ORU ..111.7
301 USD ..111.9

326 Denver 114.4 (very bad)

This is not the conference with shut-down defense, apparently...  wide open race...

[kiyoat]

pace of play (possessions/40 min)

67 USD .......71.9 (fast)

130 Denver 70.2 (above ave)

166 SDSU ..69.4 (ave)
177 UND .....69.2

232 Omaha .67.9 (below ave)
236 KC .......67.7

273 ORU ...66.9 (slow)
303 NDSU 65.8

347 UST ...62.8 (very slow)

Who knew the Coyotes were so fast?  I guess we DID catch that roadrunner once...

[jmgg]

Dec 22, 2023 16:31:06 GMT -6 kiyoat said:

pace of play (possessions/40 min)

67 USD .......71.9 (fast)

130 Denver 70.2 (above ave)

166 SDSU ..69.4 (ave)
177 UND .....69.2

232 Omaha .67.9 (below ave)
236 KC .......67.7

273 ORU ...66.9 (slow)
303 NDSU 65.8

347 UST ...62.8 (very slow)

Who knew the Coyotes were so fast?  I guess we DID catch that roadrunner once...

That could be the problem.  This team runs all over the court erratically.  They're leaderless in that fashion.  Like my old high school coach emphasized, if you don't have the numbers on a fast break and there aren't any rebounders, don't shoot the ball unless it's a layup or a very short jumper.  Pull the ball out and set up.  

[kiyoat]

Week 7 rankings updated - Merry Christmas!

[kiyoat]

Let's look ahead a little to the Summit/Big Sky challenge... 

NET rank comparison:

Rnk	Summit	Rnk	B Sky	vs
-	-	113	Port St	@ KC
-	-	120	Weber St	SDSU, @ ORU
146	Den	133	Montana	@ NDSU, USD
175	St Thom	179	E Wash	@ USD, NDSU
186	Oral Rob	-	-
203	NDSU	-	-
204	SDSU	-	-
-	-	236	N Colo	@ UND, Den
-	-	242	Mont St	ORU, @sdsu
247	N Dakota	246	N Ariz	@ UNO, UND
-	-	261	Idaho St	@ Den, UNO
285	S Dakota	274	Idaho	UST
286	Omaha
291	KC
-	-	328	Sac State	KC, @ UST

Similar to the women's teams, the Big Sky's upper and lower tiers are a little better than the Summit's.  Sac State is also terrible in both sports.

[elcoyote]

I'm just always so impressed with the info you manage to come up with. Really interesting, informative and appreciated!

[kiyoat]

updated standings and NET rankings in the first post.  The men's side is kinda all-over the place for NET ranking.  Interesting to see both St Thomas and Denver at the top, currently.

I feel like there are a lot of teams that will have head-scratching outcomes from week to week.  The conference is there for the taking, if a team has some consistency.