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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 8, 2010 11:16:57 GMT -6
That's the type of thinking I am talking about. This expansion could be Phase 1.
Good Lord! Could you imagine 30,000 screaming Coyote fans packed inside the DakotaDome? That would be the loudest, most intimidating place to play in FCS, maybe more.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 8, 2010 14:17:55 GMT -6
Okay, as great as it would be to have a 20,000-30,000 seat arena, I don't think it's a good idea. I think a 16,000 seat arena is perfect. UNI is able to do it to perfection, and SDSU and USD have several decades before they catch up to the progress Northern Iowa has made. From the beginning, I have said the perfect school to model this move after is Northern Iowa. They have a bigger fan base and a better athletic program than any of the SD schools. I say go 16,000 and go with the sellouts. I think SDSU is overshooting its bounds with a 20,000 seat arena, since during half the season they are lucky to get 10,000-12,000 fans at the home games.
Plus, think about how making the tickets more exclusive will build up fan excitement. It will push them to buy season tickets to see the Coyotes. They might become Howling Pack members because they have to have those first dibs on tickets. Ticket prices can be raised a bit because people will be willing to pay for them, which means more money for the athletic department. The more exclusive a product is, the more people want it. It's simple business.
Also, Yote 53, as much as you want to toot your own horn about the soccer/track facility, Joel Nielsen came up with the idea three years ago. It's been in the plans for a while, you aren't the first and only to have the idea. I know the Volante actually ran a story three years ago talking about a soccer/track facility by the football practice field with the arena connected to the Dome. It also included something about the new housing, which is now Coyote Village and the tailgating where it is now.
Plus, there won't be a new hockey arena until the hockey team cleans up its act and puts together a real club team. Right now, driving to Yankton is pennance for their actions. The major positive of a hockey arena to me is the fact that it would serve the community, not the USD club hockey team.
I think having a 5,500 seat basketball arena and a 16,000 seat football stadium would be perfect for USD. Nothing wrong with selling out and making it exclusive.
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Post by pierreyote on Oct 8, 2010 14:38:12 GMT -6
Don't disagree with anything you said. We are just having fun with when we get the invite to the Big (whatever it will be called then) and need to host 20k Hawkeye fans for a Saturday scrum.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 8, 2010 15:29:50 GMT -6
^^^Yeah, this.
If UN-L can get a Big Ten invite then surely USD is next in line.
I will go on record though, when USD does build their hockey arena I want full credit for coming up with the idea.
I am almost positive I came up with the soccer/track facility idea in 1996. Is that old board up and running so I can link that? I haven't bothered to look.
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Post by usdfbalum on Oct 8, 2010 15:33:40 GMT -6
USD is headed in the right direction - love the momentum the entire University has. Hard to justify a 20k plus stadium when USD is struggling to fill the Dome as is. That being said, I think the four Dakota Universities will be what is currently called BCS level teams in the next 20 years. USD needs to build with vision and flexibility for easy expansion. We need to aim for where the top 10 of FCS are going/ not where they currently are. All of those programs also have building plans. If USD's goal is to be a top 10 FCS program - a similar vision is required.
Could we see a day where USD is in a conference that looks like this: USD, SDSU , NDSU, UND, UNI, Montana, Montana St., Colorado St, and Wyoming.
Imagine a Saturday in the future where USD is hosting Kansas State in front of 25000 fans in the DakotaDome.
I know a long long way off, but fun to think about the possibilities.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 8, 2010 15:37:40 GMT -6
I think it would be a bad move for any of the Dakota schools to move to the FBS, but that's where the money is I guess. Just don't expect any winning season or national title hopes ever again. At least on this level for football, USD can at least hope for it.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 8, 2010 15:42:02 GMT -6
I think we will see the day where the NCAA will readjust and BCS schools will be 1A and those hanger ons like Idaho State, etc. are the next level, what is now FCS or 1aa. That is where we need to aim, to be on par with Montana, Montana St, the Dakotas, UNI, etc.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 8, 2010 16:32:26 GMT -6
As the NCAA continues to adjust and allow teams like USD to the next level, is the day that the NCAA continues to be watered down and the death of the mid-majors continues. This latest readjustment that just took place only hurt the credibility of the game, it doesn't help it besides the money stand-point. Sorry if I seem like a purest here, but this is the way I feel.
USD would get crushed if it moved to the next level, just like Montana will. They will join the WAC, but how many WAC teams have they beat? They might be able to compete in that very, very weak conference after Boise, Nevada and Fresno leave, but will it ever win a bowl game, let alone make one on a consistent basis?
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 8, 2010 16:46:46 GMT -6
I think we will see the day where the NCAA will readjust and BCS schools will be 1A and those hanger ons like Idaho State, etc. are the next level, what is now FCS or 1aa. That is where we need to aim, to be on par with Montana, Montana St, the Dakotas, UNI, etc. The more things change the more they stay the same. We are just about back to being classified with the same teams we were 35 years ago.
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Post by usdfbalum on Oct 8, 2010 18:08:47 GMT -6
As the NCAA continues to adjust and allow teams like USD to the next level, is the day that the NCAA continues to be watered down and the death of the mid-majors continues. This latest readjustment that just took place only hurt the credibility of the game, it doesn't help it besides the money stand-point. Sorry if I seem like a purest here, but this is the way I feel. USD would get crushed if it moved to the next level, just like Montana will. They will join the WAC, but how many WAC teams have they beat? They might be able to compete in that very, very weak conference after Boise, Nevada and Fresno leave, but will it ever win a bowl game, let alone make one on a consistent basis? I think USD fell behind where they should/could be. USD needs to make sure they are on the same level as Montana, Montana St, UNI. I think as far as FB goes you will eventually have the major conferences SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10 , ACC, Big East, Mountain West = these teams will compete for the big prize. Then you will have a division that cannot compete for the National Title but will be part of a playoff. IMO the only difference between the MVC, CAA, Big Sky versus the MAC, Sun Belt, and WAC (minus Boise St) is scholarship numbers.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 8, 2010 18:20:58 GMT -6
And, I don't see how a club hockey team has any bearing on whether USD would add it as a varsity sport. The two are completely unrelated. There is not a single player on USD's club squad that would even come close to playing varsity D1 hockey. The two are totally unrelated. I also know Anthony and think he is a very nice guy and he does a good job working with the Yankton Youth Hockey Association. He is holding the USD camp this month, and if you ever wondered you should stop over there and see how he works with those kids and how good of a job he does.
That said, USD is not going to start varsity hockey. I know that. But can I at least bring up the discussion? That is what these message boards are for.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 8, 2010 19:56:16 GMT -6
I know Anthony, and he is a good kid, but there is a big difference between youth hockey and controlling a bunch of college students who like to part. AND that shouldn't be Anthony Hegstrom's job AT ALL. He is a student manager, aka basically the captain. There needs to be a coach in place besides Anthony, who I think is a really good kid.
Also, hockey as a varsity sport at USD is a big pipe dream, I am sorry to say it. I like hockey, but the talent in the area to recruit is not on par, especially since there is UND and UNO around that would go after the same talent. Plus, there's Title IX to think of, which is why baseball was dumped years ago. USD's student population makes it inconceivable for USD to have baseball or hockey basically.
Yes, this is a message board, but if you don't like the response that was going to get, then you shouldn't complain about it. I am giving it my two cents as well.
I also think USD needs to be like other FCS schools, but has anyone heard anything about UNI moving up a level at all? I haven't, but maybe I haven't read the right stuff.
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Post by usdfbalum on Oct 8, 2010 20:22:36 GMT -6
I have not heard talk about UNI moving up from their fan base. I do think if the upper level FCS were moving up though, they would be in a great position to move as well. I think USD should be in that group. USD IMO can be in a competitve league that is just a notch below the highest level (Top 25-30 BCS teams).
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 8, 2010 20:27:23 GMT -6
Wow, USD isn't even a top 20-30 FCS program yet, so USD has a WAYS to go. If UNI isn't going up, I don't think USD should go up. UNI out of all of the team - NDSU, UND, SDSU and USD. Is the team that is most fit to move up basically.
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Post by usdfbalum on Oct 8, 2010 20:31:46 GMT -6
Wow, USD isn't even a top 20-30 FCS program yet, so USD has a WAYS to go. If UNI isn't going up, I don't think USD should go up. UNI out of all of the team - NDSU, UND, SDSU and USD. Is the team that is most fit to move up basically. You are correct. But USD basically neglected their athletics for years from a funding standpoint. USD is on the fast track to getting back up to speed. No reason USD should not be competitive with the UNI year in and year out.
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