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Post by jackl on Mar 18, 2012 10:30:06 GMT -6
Sorry to break it to you but beating IUPUI, Southern Utah and barely Western Illinois in front of a home crowd is less of an accomplishmen than beating Minnesota in their house regardless of how bad they are. USD in front of a big partisan crowd could pull of the same threesome than what the Jacks pulled off. As soon as the Jacks start to play against a crowd that isn't totally partisan to them and it's a different ballgame. My gosh by all admissions the Yotes weren't that good in Mens ball and still beat the Jacks. The final score wasn't indicitive of the play either. USD controlled most of the game. If SDSU keeps Stig, I am calling it now that USD will surpass them in football in 2 years. In the Women's game the Yotes have made up alot of ground very quickly and are not far behind. Aaron Johnston has already considered leaving the program once and would probably do so again if the opportunity presented itself. Ryun Williams on the other hand is at his alma mater already so him leaving is far less likely. In Mens basketball it was only 2 short years ago that USD finished with a higher season ending RPI. Despite all the success and media love toward South Dakota State College USD is nipping at those Jackrabbit heals ready to devour. Nebraska beat Indiana this year in basketball. Does that make Nebraska better than Indiana? Its the way it is in college basketball. Winning on the road is tough. And when its a rival, its even tougher. Going to the NCAA Tourney is more of an accomplishment than beating the Goofers. Everyone beats them. Ask NDSU Duke was playing in their backyard Friday and couldnt beat Lehigh. I hope you have the same opinion when USD wins 3 games at the new events center to make the NCAA Tourney. Im guessing you wont. I think you have a good grasp on yote "logic". Lehigh beat Duke,thats a FACT. Therefore their basketball programs are close.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Mar 18, 2012 12:06:55 GMT -6
Guess you missed Seth Davis proclaim Baylor dead when he said SDSU would beat them...and all the Jacks fans started kissing his butt when Seth Davis is a less credible than Charles Barkley when it comes to college bball. So obviously you were exaggerating. Seth Davis isn't an SDSU fan and he was just stirring up people and doing his job. His last comment before the game started was 'please don't lose by 40 and make me look bad'. I highly doubt he actually thought State was going to win. But he would have looked like a genius had they won! So back to the original post. Do you actually have proof of people thinking Baylor poses no problems or are you just stirring the pot too? Everything I read on SDSU's fan site and Twitter had people saying SDSU has a shot but Baylor obviously is the better team. Were there some that thought SDSU would win? Duh....but you have CF. I'd think you'd know better than to let stuff like that get to you. I come here hoping for some interesting discussions but all I see in this thread is a bunch of whiny babies who are a little jealous of States success right now. Things will change a little bit with USD I have no doubt. But y'all need to be a little more patient. You're just getting through the transition. I know you aren't smart about it, but yeah...on my feed, there were a lot of SDSU fans that said that is a good matchup because of what Davis said. And yeah, I saw what Davis said before the game...if he says something like that, it shows he is reaching and shouldn't be a college broadcaster at all. That also means your fans shouldn't be stupid enough to buy into what he is saying, either. I am not jealous of SDSU. I was going to sit by and watch them play in the first round and actually enjoy it. But the rudeness and ignorance of the SDSU fan base, which I constantly compare to the ignorant Hawkeye fan base, had me fully rooting against them. What's funny is I had an SDSU fan during an SDSU baseball game this year try to tell me how the NCAA tournament is overrated and everything...and from the words that came out of his mouth that day, he did NOTHING but to further prove that I shouldn't listen to 75 percent of the SDSU fan base.
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Post by witness on Mar 18, 2012 12:52:40 GMT -6
I wasn't planning on ever posting on here, but I was curious on what USD fans thought about the Jacks NCAA tournament game. Despite being rivals I would think that the USD fans would cheer for the Jacks and I do know of some USD students that did cheer for the Jacks but to openly hate on the Jacks and their run to the tourney is funny to be honest. Yes, I cheered for USD against Minnesota, and for the WNIT games. Why? Because winning will expand and increase athletics in South Dakota, not just SDSU or USD but the state of South Dakota as itself. Also, not suprised that USD split with SDSU as no matter what the records are or who is the better team, any team can win because rival games esp. ones on the road is the toughest to win. The Jacks have a pretty darn good supporting cast, so they would be better than .300 without Wolters and the Jacks will be even better next year. O and Greg Anthony also picked the Jacks to win and was one of the "Games to Watch" so Seth Davis wasn't the only analyst who picked the Jacks.
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Post by sdsportsfan2010 on Mar 18, 2012 13:19:01 GMT -6
So obviously you were exaggerating. Seth Davis isn't an SDSU fan and he was just stirring up people and doing his job. His last comment before the game started was 'please don't lose by 40 and make me look bad'. I highly doubt he actually thought State was going to win. But he would have looked like a genius had they won! So back to the original post. Do you actually have proof of people thinking Baylor poses no problems or are you just stirring the pot too? Everything I read on SDSU's fan site and Twitter had people saying SDSU has a shot but Baylor obviously is the better team. Were there some that thought SDSU would win? Duh....but you have CF. I'd think you'd know better than to let stuff like that get to you. I come here hoping for some interesting discussions but all I see in this thread is a bunch of whiny babies who are a little jealous of States success right now. Things will change a little bit with USD I have no doubt. But y'all need to be a little more patient. You're just getting through the transition. I know you aren't smart about it, but yeah...on my feed, there were a lot of SDSU fans that said that is a good matchup because of what Davis said. And yeah, I saw what Davis said before the game...if he says something like that, it shows he is reaching and shouldn't be a college broadcaster at all. That also means your fans shouldn't be stupid enough to buy into what he is saying, either. I am not jealous of SDSU. I was going to sit by and watch them play in the first round and actually enjoy it. But the rudeness and ignorance of the SDSU fan base, which I constantly compare to the ignorant Hawkeye fan base, had me fully rooting against them. What's funny is I had an SDSU fan during an SDSU baseball game this year try to tell me how the NCAA tournament is overrated and everything...and from the words that came out of his mouth that day, he did NOTHING but to further prove that I shouldn't listen to 75 percent of the SDSU fan base. Every fanbase has their rude and ignorant fans. Yes even USD.
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Post by azsod73 on Mar 18, 2012 13:45:11 GMT -6
For all you breast-beating-bunnies (you know who you are) who come on here expecting yote fans to humble themselves before you, take a breath. The fact is that Nagy's best team ever came to the dome and lost to one of Boot's worst teams. Fact Jack.
Remember those 4 years of 20+ losses? Well, I do. Scott Nagy is still only one missed Prozac away from a box number address at HSC. Granted the stars aligned this season - for the most part - but if you believe the Argus, Nagy gave up on Wolters and his recruitment was more luck than skill. Take him out of the mix and the rest of the team is only upper half in the Summit. And, just because Stu Whitney is now playing second gerbil to TV, that part of your celebration will end sooner than you like.
Finally, for all you rational rabbits, congratulations on your long journey out of the wilderness. I was pulling for you against Baylor simply because the more success you had the sweeter our win will live in history.
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Post by witness on Mar 18, 2012 14:51:48 GMT -6
For all you breast-beating-bunnies (you know who you are) who come on here expecting yote fans to humble themselves before you, take a breath. The fact is that Nagy's best team ever came to the dome and lost to one of Boot's worst teams. Fact Jack. Remember those 4 years of 20+ losses? Well, I do. Scott Nagy is still only one missed Prozac away from a box number address at HSC. Granted the stars aligned this season - for the most part - but if you believe the Argus, Nagy gave up on Wolters and his recruitment was more luck than skill. Take him out of the mix and the rest of the team is only upper half in the Summit. And, just because Stu Whitney is now playing second gerbil to TV, that part of your celebration will end sooner than you like. Finally, for all you rational rabbits, congratulations on your long journey out of the wilderness. I was pulling for you against Baylor simply because the more success you had the sweeter our win will live in history. Most are rational fans and seriously whats wrong with thinking your team is going to win in their first NCAA tourney bid. Wolters situation is basically Louies situation but Austin Hansen stayed in touch and Wolters ended up committing to SDSU. You can keep pounding your chest about that win in your house, because we sure aren't pounding our chest when we beat you guys by 40 and yes we didn't rush the floor. We do remember the losing seasons but the fact is you went 5-13 in the conference and pounding your chest about the Jacks losing in the tourney and your one win. The Coyotes should have to at least make the tourney to be able to talking down SDSUs success this year.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Mar 19, 2012 1:08:21 GMT -6
I know you aren't smart about it, but yeah...on my feed, there were a lot of SDSU fans that said that is a good matchup because of what Davis said. And yeah, I saw what Davis said before the game...if he says something like that, it shows he is reaching and shouldn't be a college broadcaster at all. That also means your fans shouldn't be stupid enough to buy into what he is saying, either. I am not jealous of SDSU. I was going to sit by and watch them play in the first round and actually enjoy it. But the rudeness and ignorance of the SDSU fan base, which I constantly compare to the ignorant Hawkeye fan base, had me fully rooting against them. What's funny is I had an SDSU fan during an SDSU baseball game this year try to tell me how the NCAA tournament is overrated and everything...and from the words that came out of his mouth that day, he did NOTHING but to further prove that I shouldn't listen to 75 percent of the SDSU fan base. Every fanbase has their rude and ignorant fans. Yes even USD. Well, this past week from the Sunday before the game up until Friday, well there were only a select few that deserved any congrats for SDSU getting to the tourney. You are one of them, but yeah...like I said, reminded me of mindless Hawkeye fans this past week.
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Post by filbert on Mar 23, 2012 12:41:59 GMT -6
I probably shouldn't, but I'll give it a try. I was rooting for Oral Roberts to make the NCAA tournament as an at-large. I also would have rooted for them in the tournament, had they made it. Why? Money. Each NCAA tournament game a Summit League team plays, no matter what the name on the jersey is, or color of the jersey, means money in the pockets of each and every Summit League team--to the tune of somewhere in the ballpark of $20,000 a year for six years, per game played in the tournament. (I don't know exactly how the Summit divvies up the NCAA tournament shares it receives; for purposes of discussion I'm assuming equal division of the approximately $220,000 per NCAA tournament share.) So, in the (unlikely) case that both ORU and SDSU won their first round games, then something like $80,000--four NCAA tournament shares--would be coming to USD each year for the next six years. That's why I, personally, root for SDSU's conference-mates in the NCAA tournament, and it's why I'd be rooting for USD to win and advance as far as they could (well, maybe I might turn coat if you reached the national championship game--there are appearances to maintain, after all ). I also want USD, NDSU, Oakland, SDSU, all of the Summit League teams to win every single one of your non-conference games, for much the same reason. More non-conference wins up and down the conference exactly equals better RPIs and other rankings, which equal better seedings in the NCAA tournament, which equals better chances of getting wins in the tournament, which equals more money, which equals more competitive athletic programs all around. It seems to me that if "The Rivalry" extends too far beyond the actual game event, at some point you start cutting off your own nose to spite your face. IMHO of course. It could just be that I've reached an age where all the chest-puffery, from any side, just fails to impress me very much any more. I also no longer see success by USD as any particular threat to SDSU--in fact, the better that Coyote athletic programs are, the more an incentive for SDSU to improve. And I would hope the reverse also applies. I gather that this attitude places me, in the minds of a few USD fans, in the class of "arrogant SDSU fan." If this reaction applies to you, then . . . Shrug. If you think that the Coyotes will win an NCAA men's basketball tournament game before the Jackrabbits do, then let's see you do what's necessary as a fan base to go out and do it. Give money to USD's athletic department, show up at the games, buy the on-line media package, etc., etc. From my point of view, it's all good.
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Post by 59coyote on Mar 23, 2012 17:01:12 GMT -6
Filbert- thanks for your comments and the logic they contain. I don't know if your money figures for basketball are correct or not but your logic is. We all need to cheer our own and get away from the negative crap. We all want success and we should put our energies into achieving success by positive means. What we should really avoid is sounding and acting like a political campaign. Good luck to all!
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Post by jackjd on Mar 23, 2012 21:38:08 GMT -6
Agree with 59Coyote.
Some USD fans have misunderstood the connection between SDSU and NDSU. It was and continues to be a mutual-benefit package. There is no reason the same cannot be true between SDSU and USD.
There's something to that cliche: a rising tide floats all boats. The name of the game is improvement of the entire lot and I'm counting on USD to help increase the value of the Summit League and Missouri Valley Football Conference.
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