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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Dec 14, 2012 14:55:54 GMT -6
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 14, 2012 17:26:47 GMT -6
There is a difference between the MAC and the MVFC but not that big of a difference. If you asked any coach where their dream job would be not many would say it's a job in the MAC. For FBS schools it's towards the bottom in desirability. CF#1 you don't have to continue to brag up the MAC because everyone knows it's a step up but it's not a step up that screams, "I gotta go get a job in the MAC".
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Post by joeybrownerhof on Dec 14, 2012 17:31:47 GMT -6
Name an AD that went BCS from the summit/mvfc. Miami Ohio AD just went to Boston College.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Dec 14, 2012 17:49:20 GMT -6
Coyotefan, you want me to prove my posts and I just did and you completely went against one of the most well re-guarder college football writers in America.
The MAC isn't the final destination, but it's a really big jump up from the MVFC because of it's profile. That's what that article says. Plain and simple. You just want to focus on the negative.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 14, 2012 19:48:52 GMT -6
My comments are not meant to go against the MAC just lay out the facts. I am not downplaying the MAC but it isn't that great of a FBC Conference. The RPI has them as 9th out of the 11 FBS Conferences. I know NDSU has beaten, if not destroyed some of the MAC teams. I believe I read on on a post somewhere that over the last 3-4 years the MAC was 12-5 against the MVFC but Indiana State during their down years accounted for 7 of the 12 losses. Without them the MVFC would have been 5-5.
The MVFC is closer to the MAC than the MAC is to the power conferences in FBS. If you took the MAC teams and lined them up 1-10 (or however many teams they would play against) against the SEC and you did the same thing against the MVFC I think the MVFC gets more wins than the SEC takes losses.
I would still like to know if Nielson, Williams and Sayler were actively seeking other jobs or if people came to them. I think it's different when someone comes for you looking for your services to help them vs you going out and testing the waters.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 14, 2012 19:55:06 GMT -6
The bottom line is that it's up to each person's opinion on whether or not USD has a turnover problem. They may or may not. Some people may think so some people may think not. USD has lost 3 pretty good people within a 3 year span. Maybe it's cooincidence or maybe it's not. I think the topic does deserve some discussion.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Dec 14, 2012 23:09:09 GMT -6
My comments are not meant to go against the MAC just lay out the facts. I am not downplaying the MAC but it isn't that great of a FBC Conference. The RPI has them as 9th out of the 11 FBS Conferences. I know NDSU has beaten, if not destroyed some of the MAC teams. I believe I read on on a post somewhere that over the last 3-4 years the MAC was 12-5 against the MVFC but Indiana State during their down years accounted for 7 of the 12 losses. Without them the MVFC would have been 5-5. The MVFC is closer to the MAC than the MAC is to the power conferences in FBS. If you took the MAC teams and lined them up 1-10 (or however many teams they would play against) against the SEC and you did the same thing against the MVFC I think the MVFC gets more wins than the SEC takes losses. I would still like to know if Nielson, Williams and Sayler were actively seeking other jobs or if people came to them. I think it's different when someone comes for you looking for your services to help them vs you going out and testing the waters. Maybe you should read maisel's story again and look to see if there is a Mac school in the top 25. The Mac ad is far and away a much better job than SDSU and usd. Ndsu you can make the argument or uni, but that's about it. Sooty, the Mac is just better and you just want to be negative as usual. And what if they were pursuing another job? Isn't America built on making your life better for you and your family? It's called career advancement. Most coaches want to coach at the more pretigious school or be the ad there. The duke ad left for notre dame, going to criticize that and others like that? |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 15, 2012 18:36:09 GMT -6
CF#1 you just don't get it. It doesn't really matter the reason, if people are leaving USD they are leaving. Does it really matter to us where they are going. We are USD fans not fans of the MAC, Mountain West or whatever conference people are moving on to. The bottom line is that good people are leaving. That is the point I am making. Where they go isn't really that important to my argument.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Dec 15, 2012 23:25:43 GMT -6
So you are saying if they got named as the president of the sec it wouldn't matter, they are leaving and that's a problem? Lol wow. Job advancement man. It's a thing nowadays lol. Keep turning down promotions, sure it will do wonders for the career.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 16, 2012 0:31:10 GMT -6
When you answer the question of whether there is a turnover problem the reason for leaving does not answer the question of whether there is a problem or not. If USD hired 10 coaches and they all left for the same reason vs 10 different reasons there is still a turnover problem. The reason doesn't explain WHETHER there is a problem or not. The reason can explain WHY there is a problem or not.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Dec 16, 2012 0:34:00 GMT -6
They left for much better jobs at a higher level in the NCAA. That's it, I am done with you.
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Post by wrj on Dec 16, 2012 9:36:36 GMT -6
Currently, one year contracts are a reality at both USD and SDSU. I am not really convinced that they are that much of a contributor to turnover of coaching staff. There will always be an ample supply of applicants who want to be a head coach or administrator at a Division I university. SDSU and USD do not, and probably will not in the near future, offer either the money or prestige to recruit or retain the top tier individuals for these positiongs. We will ALWAYS be stepping stones to something bigger and better for most. Coaches Boots, Stig, Nagy and Johnston may just be exceptions with different priorities. Or, any or all of them might be on their way to someplace else next year or the year after.
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