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Post by notkiotees on Oct 31, 2013 9:42:32 GMT -6
We had it first!
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Post by coyote70 on Oct 31, 2013 10:41:09 GMT -6
Is it an actual fact that the BV head coach said not to go to USD or just another stupid rumor that goes around? High School coaches cant stop recruiters from coming to there games and talking to there players. If the coach says the recruiter is just wasting his time, and leaves it at that the recruiter isn't doing job. I would highly doubt a coach would tell there players not to go to that college especially if its a D1 school. Coaches do influence their players and give their opinion on what they should do but I cant imagine them forcing their players to go to a specific college. At the end of the day, its up to to the student-athlete on where they want to go. I find this ridiculous. Sorry to have to pick on you, but you weren't a SDST journalism grad were you? (please refer to my earlier post in the Youngstown thread regarding usage of terms such as "there" and "their"). If so, all is forgiven if the Coyotes beat SDST !! |
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Post by yotefan on Oct 31, 2013 16:01:26 GMT -6
Went to the bunny board for the first time in years today and saw that the guy who picked up this thread over there concluded his message as follows: "Apparently USD people think the Jacks have so many Brandon players because of the coach "backing the jacks. *(author's note: the lower-case 'j' on Jacks and lack of close " are courtesy of original poster) To this poster, aka mitchellrabbit, I'd say re-read my original post and you'll find that sentiment was never conveyed in my message. If you don't see any issues with this situation, then you probably also thought it was OK for the South Dakota Game, Fish & Parks to do a promotional event in conjunction with SDSU athletics a few years ago. Yep, that's right, now we're talking about a State institution that all South Dakotan's contribute to, not just the Brandon Valley school district, promoting SDSU. Enjoy: www.brookingsregister.com/v2_news_articles.php?heading=0&page=76&story_id=9313www.outdoorhub.com/news/south-dakota-game-fish-and-park-state-hunting-hat-promotion-enters-second-year/Did anyone else see a problem with this when it happened? I did, and actually reached out to the GF&P and was told "USD and other universities were given a chance to do something similiar, but they never got back to us." I asked folks within USD's athletic department if they had ever been contacted by anyone with the GF&P about a hat promotion. Not one person had been contacted. The point, State fans, is you aren't doing a good job of passing the smell test. Government entities, whether the BV school district or the SDGF&P, should not be doing public fundraisers for a public university's athletic program, regardless of how many of their graduates work in that entity. That would be like the Supreme Court sending an announcement via state government channels to all media outlets announcing a fund-raiser for USD athletics because "USD has a long-standing partnership with the Supreme Court through education and research that benefits South Dakota's legal system." If you read the quote in the link I provided, that is the same jist as the quote in the article. |
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 31, 2013 16:12:30 GMT -6
I received the email from the SDGF&P promoting the caps a couple of years ago. I sent them a reply that I had no interest in the caps, but if the wanted to put the Bunnies Logo on some clay pigeons, I would be certainly buy some. Interestingly enough, I never received a reply.
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Post by 2002jack on Oct 31, 2013 17:10:10 GMT -6
Went to the bunny board for the first time in years today and saw that the guy who picked up this thread over there concluded his message as follows: "Apparently USD people think the Jacks have so many Brandon players because of the coach "backing the jacks. *(author's note: the lower-case 'j' on Jacks and lack of close " are courtesy of original poster) To this poster, aka mitchellrabbit, I'd say re-read my original post and you'll find that sentiment was never conveyed in my message. If you don't see any issues with this situation, then you probably also thought it was OK for the South Dakota Game, Fish & Parks to do a promotional event in conjunction with SDSU athletics a few years ago. Yep, that's right, now we're talking about a State institution that all South Dakotan's contribute to, not just the Brandon Valley school district, promoting SDSU. Enjoy: www.brookingsregister.com/v2_news_articles.php?heading=0&page=76&story_id=9313www.outdoorhub.com/news/south-dakota-game-fish-and-park-state-hunting-hat-promotion-enters-second-year/Did anyone else see a problem with this when it happened? I did, and actually reached out to the GF&P and was told "USD and other universities were given a chance to do something similiar, but they never got back to us." I asked folks within USD's athletic department if they had ever been contacted by anyone with the GF&P about a hat promotion. Not one person had been contacted. The point, State fans, is you aren't doing a good job of passing the smell test. Government entities, whether the BV school district or the SDGF&P, should not be doing public fundraisers for a public university's athletic program, regardless of how many of their graduates work in that entity. That would be like the Supreme Court sending an announcement via state government channels to all media outlets announcing a fund-raiser for USD athletics because "USD has a long-standing partnership with the Supreme Court through education and research that benefits South Dakota's legal system." If you read the quote in the link I provided, that is the same jist as the quote in the article. Did you read the artile the article? No government funds would have been used, it was simply a fundraiser for a research endowment, and they partnered with SDSU athletics to increase sales. How can you be upset about that? As a Jacks fan, if the Supreme Court chose to do a fundraiser with USD athletics in partnership for law school research programs, I wouldn't be upset. As long as they aren't using government funds to support it. I guess I don't understand what you are upset about. |
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Post by 2002jack on Oct 31, 2013 17:15:45 GMT -6
Low class approach for sure. What if a kid wants to play football, stay in state, and get a major not offered up there? Just going to brainwash them and then have any player looking to USD be frowned upon? Some things are more important that football, coach. Some kids do go off to play college ball with education at the forefront of their mind. No class. You wouldn't see BHS or VHS doing this (not that either produces much D1 talent). Getting upset about a t-shirt is as silly as getting upset about a billboard. I had teachers in high school that wore their USD shirts to class, and would often speak highly of USD, and not so kindly of SDSU. Should those teachers be fired? If Vermillion High School worked together with USD to do a promotion, would that be crossing the line? |
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Post by yotefan on Oct 31, 2013 20:54:45 GMT -6
2002jack,
I did read the article(s) and nowhere in either release does it say government funds would not be used; further, the expenditure of government funds isn't necessary for the line to be crossed. The mere appearance of impropriety is enough.
Do you think Scott Simpson of the GF&P wrote that press release sitting at home on his computer on his free time or do you think he wrote it while he was at work, on the clock, in a state building, sitting on a chair, at a desk, writing on a computer, and using an internet connection all of which was paid for by you and I? I'm guessing it was the later and government resources most certainly helped make that possible.
In short, government entities, whether the GF&P or the Brandon Valley school district, should stick to the limited purposes for which they were intended. Stumping for State, or USD, or any other school for that matter is not the responsibility of any government entity other than those respective institutions. Government entities are prohibited from endorsing political candidates for the same reason because it crosses the same line. I'll say it again, it's not about the hat or the t-shirt, it's about the context in which they are used and who is using it.
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Post by 2002jack on Oct 31, 2013 22:49:37 GMT -6
If you feel upset by it, I don't want to minimize your feelings. I learned that different people have different emotions than I do. It wouldn't bother me if the shoe was on the other foot.
Good luck making BV and the GF&P change their methods.
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Post by 2002jack on Oct 31, 2013 23:13:28 GMT -6
Just to be a contrarian and an a-hole, I feel like I need to point this out. In your post you state that you spoke to the GF&P and USD marketing. The GF&P rep told you they made a similar offer to USD and never heard back. You then state you spoke to a rep from USD, and that USD never received an offer from the GF&P.
So did you speak to EVERY marketing rep from USD? Are we all supposed to doubt what the GF&P rep told you? Why would the GF&P lie to you?
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Post by 2002jack on Oct 31, 2013 23:27:55 GMT -6
Is it an actual fact that the BV head coach said not to go to USD or just another stupid rumor that goes around? High School coaches cant stop recruiters from coming to there games and talking to there players. If the coach says the recruiter is just wasting his time, and leaves it at that the recruiter isn't doing job. I would highly doubt a coach would tell there players not to go to that college especially if its a D1 school. Coaches do influence their players and give their opinion on what they should do but I cant imagine them forcing their players to go to a specific college. At the end of the day, its up to to the student-athlete on where they want to go. I find this ridiculous. Sorry to have to pick on you, but you weren't a SDST journalism grad were you? (please refer to my earlier post in the Youngstown thread regarding usage of terms such as "there" and "their"). If so, all is forgiven if the Coyotes beat SDST !! I don't think sandakota has a journalism degree from State. You can certainly tell he doesn't have a journalism degree from USD, because if he did, he would have quoted non-existent sources. |
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Post by Iceman on Oct 31, 2013 23:31:57 GMT -6
I don't really think this is a huge deal either. I think a coach and his team can support whatever college team they want.
In my coaching experiences, colleges and coaches send you emails asking if you have anyone you would recommend for them to recruit. So if you do, you would give them names and probably their phone numbers and email address. Not sure if people understand that this is how recruiting usually starts out. Most times they will ask the coach questions about the individuals they are interested in.
So as you can see, the recruiting process usually starts out with the coaches. I don't know if it is true about this coach telling USD not to bother recruiting his kids, but if it is, that is pretty lame. I have heard of a coach telling a bunch of colleges that his kids are going to a certain college, so don't even bother recruiting them, just because that is where he wanted them to go. He supposedly told a bunch of colleges that even though these kids never had any intentions of going there.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 1, 2013 1:06:24 GMT -6
Sorry to have to pick on you, but you weren't a SDST journalism grad were you? (please refer to my earlier post in the Youngstown thread regarding usage of terms such as "there" and "their"). If so, all is forgiven if the Coyotes beat SDST !! I don't think sandakota has a journalism degree from State. You can certainly tell he doesn't have a journalism degree from USD, because if he did, he would have quoted non-existent sources. A lazy kid quoted made up students on incredibly small matters such as eating off campus, and once anyone caught on they fired him without hiding it. Big whoop. At least we spell our town correctly in the headlines every time. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 1, 2013 7:27:10 GMT -6
I'm not going to get upset about a couple of hats but I do see where Yotefan is coming from and he is right on this subject, government entities shouldn't be crossing those lines. Now, a coach telling college recruiters to not evn bother recruiting his players is a big issue. It's not his decision as to where the kids he coaches go. If I was a parent of one of those kids I would be very upset that he is limiting my child's opportunities, if that is what is going on.
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Post by gorabbits on Nov 1, 2013 13:04:40 GMT -6
If you don't see any issues with this situation, then you probably also thought it was OK for the South Dakota Game, Fish & Parks to do a promotional event in conjunction with SDSU athletics a few years ago. Yep, that's right, now we're talking about a State institution that all South Dakotan's contribute to, not just the Brandon Valley school district, promoting SDSU. Enjoy: www.brookingsregister.com/v2_news_articles.php?heading=0&page=76&story_id=9313www.outdoorhub.com/news/south-dakota-game-fish-and-park-state-hunting-hat-promotion-enters-second-year/Did anyone else see a problem with this when it happened? I did, and actually reached out to the GF&P and was told "USD and other universities were given a chance to do something similiar, but they never got back to us." I asked folks within USD's athletic department if they had ever been contacted by anyone with the GF&P about a hat promotion. Not one person had been contacted. You sound like a member of congress who doesn't think one arm of government should work with another arm of the government to serve the best interest of the people. I hope this is not a lesson South Dakota public institutions ever learn from the Feds. I would hope that we would encourage state agencies to work together more frequently rather than less. If you will check with your research office, you will find that state agencies not only work with the public universities but provide funds for research on particular issues of interest at USD, SDSU and I am sure, all of the other universities in the state. GF&P has a natural connection to SDSU's Wildlife program. There are many similar natural connections to USD. These should be used to promote their common goals. |
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Post by notkiotees on Nov 1, 2013 15:27:51 GMT -6
The more you try and spin this the dumber you sound.
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