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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 20, 2014 22:25:45 GMT -6
MrAugustana,
There is a reason USD moved up and Augie did not. Billiter is a D2 coach. We expect someone that has the credentials to be a Summit coach and I don't think Billiter is that guy. That is just how it is in the new D1 world. The expectations should be higher.
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Post by mraugustana on Mar 20, 2014 22:36:36 GMT -6
Sorry Augiefan, have never been on board for your guy. Not interested in anything from Augie. From a PR perspective, hiring the Augie coach would be a major PR blow. Did he win a D2 title last year? Last 2years? No. USD hiring an Augie retread would be very bad. Right, totally get that. I don't disagree with that aspect. I can see how hiring the coach of a former rival at a lower level wouldn't make him the #1 option in people's eyes. I've done my duty as an Augie fan to defend Coach Billeter/Augie and that's good enough for me. But that wasn't really the point of my last post. My point was more to better understand why so many fans on here think there should be dozens upon dozens of highly qualified coaches lining up for the job when there have been 5 names total thrown around--one that has withdrawn (Miller), one that is the likely hire (Smith), one that has been brought up a couple of times, but not much else besides that (Otzelberger), Billeter, and Rutter, who seems to be an out-of-the-blue name from what I can tell. Where are the rest of these highly esteemed coaches desperate to get to Vermillion? Even the other D2 guys mentioned (Leaf, Margenthaler) must not have been going for it, or I'd imagine their names would've come up by now.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 21, 2014 2:24:01 GMT -6
Not much word is coming out of this search, no idea how many candidates have put their names in, but someone like Billeter has to be in the ranks of the worst names we draw. He is a D2 coach, at a small time university, and hasn't done anything of note. If he was an instant success at the D2 level I would be fine with him, but he isn't remotely near that. The top assistants at programs belonging to power conferences are miles ahead of the middle-of-the-road D2 coaches, or whatever you want to call Billeter, and it would be an utter disappointment if a national search resulted in us hiring the very average head coach of a nearby D2 program.
Tom went D1 and failed, and has only ever taken Auggie as high as 2nd in the conference one time. We can do better.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 21, 2014 6:05:10 GMT -6
MrAugie, I haven't read anybody imply that there should be tons of candidate, rather that if we were going to make a change from James, then it should be a material improvement. I am quite confident that the names out there are not the only ones in the running, just the ones Stu has been asking about.
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Post by mraugustana on Mar 21, 2014 12:39:29 GMT -6
Looks like we can all rest easy. According to Zimmer on Twitter, Billeter isn't likely to get the job (which is funny, because he just posted a lengthy piece on his blog explaining why he thought it would be a good thing for both programs). Assuming you guys get Craig Smith, congrats. He'll definitely do well with the Yotes. On the plus side for you USD fans, getting the semi-official word that Billeter is out of the running allows me to avoid keeping up with this board for new info. Looks like everybody wins. Good luck in the future, Yote fans. I'm sure Smith will have you guys climbing the Summit League standings within a year or two.
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Post by usdguy99 on Mar 21, 2014 12:40:04 GMT -6
If you're watching the Nebraska/Baylor game, you'll get an idea of Craig Smith being a head coach as Miles was ejected.
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Post by 94grad on Mar 21, 2014 13:03:04 GMT -6
Looks like we can all rest easy. According to Zimmer on Twitter, Billeter isn't likely to get the job (which is funny, because he just posted a lengthy piece on his blog explaining why he thought it would be a good thing for both programs). Assuming you guys get Craig Smith, congrats. He'll definitely do well with the Yotes. On the plus side for you USD fans, getting the semi-official word that Billeter is out of the running allows me to avoid keeping up with this board for new info. Looks like everybody wins. Good luck in the future, Yote fans. I'm sure Smith will have you guys climbing the Summit League standings within a year or two. Mr. Augie- thank you for your contributions. It's good to hear all viewpoints- especially from an insider. Good luck to your teams as well!
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 21, 2014 13:08:25 GMT -6
Welp, as much as I wanted Nebraska to win, Smith is now free to hire. Let's get on it, David. The last thing we need is for Saul Phillips to get a bigger gig and have NDSU come calling...
The second technical on Miles that lead to the ejection was total crap.
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Post by yoteforever on Mar 21, 2014 13:38:28 GMT -6
As much as I'm sure it will be Smith as our new coach, let me ask all of you that are pumped to have him exactly why?
I just watched the game as you did. I noticed that he wasn't exactly the first assistant, or even the second. During timeouts he was disengaged from the other coaches. And when you combine that with the fact Miles has admitted recruiting isn't his strongest point, other than the fact Coach Miles is this years media darling, and Coach Smith is one of his assistants, what makes him so appealing?
Don't get me wrong, he's probably a great guy. But so is Joey James, or a host of other candidates. And I'm not pissed or anything, I'm just trying to understand what he brings to the table? We need talent, yet recruiting isn't his strength? I'm lost.
Again, if Herbster hires him, go Yotes. But until he does, can someone explain why you're so excited about him, using basketball logic.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 21, 2014 14:46:20 GMT -6
As much as I'm sure it will be Smith as our new coach, let me ask all of you that are pumped to have him exactly why? I just watched the game as you did. I noticed that he wasn't exactly the first assistant, or even the second. During timeouts he was disengaged from the other coaches. And when you combine that with the fact Miles has admitted recruiting isn't his strongest point, other than the fact Coach Miles is this years media darling, and Coach Smith is one of his assistants, what makes him so appealing? Don't get me wrong, he's probably a great guy. But so is Joey James, or a host of other candidates. And I'm not pissed or anything, I'm just trying to understand what he brings to the table? We need talent, yet recruiting isn't his strength? I'm lost. Again, if Herbster hires him, go Yotes. But until he does, can someone explain why you're so excited about him, using basketball logic. Huh??? He took over in the game when Miles left. Is the clear #2 coach, recruited nearly the entire team (Petteway, Pitchford) and both 2014 commits. Your info is off. I am quite familiar with UNL basketball.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 21, 2014 14:47:17 GMT -6
I would like to see where Miles ever said that Smith can't recruit well.
Regardless, the head coach is the organizer, strategies and CEO. The recruiting legwork is done by assistants - like Joey and like Smith.
Again, as the head coach at Mayville he was National coach of the year for NAIA. Then he was with Miles for the turn around at NDSU. Thereafter, the right hand man for turn arounds at CSU and UNL.
Yeah, UNL didn't play well today, but this is only year 2 - the team is almost all sophomores. They haven't been to the tourney in 15 years. What they have done thus far is nothing short of miraculous.
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Post by yoteforever on Mar 21, 2014 16:20:08 GMT -6
I apologize, I'm wrong. I had looked their website earlier and looked at the wrong person. Also, I didn't say Coach Miles said he couldn't recruit, I said recruiting wasn't his strongest asset.
If we get him, then so be it. I just wanted to understand what made him so appealing. Personally speaking, we have a lot of fans that prefer Nebraska over USD and it irks me to no end. Not to offend you Cousin Eddie, I just see our fans wearing Nebraska shirts and hats and I don't care for it. You can be fans of both, I get it, but USD your top priority
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Post by Yotes on Mar 21, 2014 17:35:56 GMT -6
I apologize, I'm wrong. I had looked their website earlier and looked at the wrong person. Also, I didn't say Coach Miles said he couldn't recruit, I said recruiting wasn't his strongest asset. If we get him, then so be it. I just wanted to understand what made him so appealing. Personally speaking, we have a lot of fans that prefer Nebraska over USD and it irks me to no end. Not to offend you Cousin Eddie, I just see our fans wearing Nebraska shirts and hats and I don't care for it. You can be fans of both, I get it, but USD your top priority I definitely agree that too many prefer Nebraska to USD. I like both, but when they both compete for my time the Yotes will always get it.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 21, 2014 19:17:59 GMT -6
I apologize, I'm wrong. I had looked their website earlier and looked at the wrong person. Also, I didn't say Coach Miles said he couldn't recruit, I said recruiting wasn't his strongest asset. If we get him, then so be it. I just wanted to understand what made him so appealing. Personally speaking, we have a lot of fans that prefer Nebraska over USD and it irks me to no end. Not to offend you Cousin Eddie, I just see our fans wearing Nebraska shirts and hats and I don't care for it. You can be fans of both, I get it, but USD your top priority I definitely understand where you are coming from there.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 22, 2014 7:45:28 GMT -6
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