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Post by jackjd on Aug 12, 2015 20:06:31 GMT -6
Yes, a little reading comprehension is in order. YF wrote about goals in all sports: "something we should be striving for in all sports" and he expressed optimism those goals can be met. You come back with a snarky comment. Within the FCS Division, every school in the MVFC is playing a tough schedule. I think the men's basketball teams are not in the same position as the women's teams BUT they are setting that goal, aren't they?
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Post by Yotes on Aug 12, 2015 21:02:03 GMT -6
jackl: why that comment? USD Coach Williams is positioning her team, timed perfectly with the great basketball facility upgrade, to attract top teams to Vermillion. There's the potential for a little synergy: a team wanting to play top talent on one weekend road trip: USD and SDSU. It certainly can be done. Because he is nothing but a pissant. Talks smack and never brings anything to the discussion. He can't forget our URL fast enough.
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 12, 2015 21:11:53 GMT -6
Splitting hares hear aren't we. Get it? LOL.
Back to the subject, between what SDSU has done/is doing in WBB, what USD is evolving into in WBB, a new basketball facility in Vermillion, upgrades to Frost in Brookings, Sanford Arena, and the Pentagon in Sioux Falls...there is more than enough going on in this state that should attract some pretty good WBB programs here. For that matter, look for the MBB programs to start getting more of these types of games as well. What it will really take is for USD, SDSU, probably both to go on some serious runs in the men's NCAA. NDSU already went on a run one year, we both start doing it and the CBS talking heads and the rest of the country will begin noticing what is going on in the Summit and in the Dakotas in general.
Lord knows ESPN already has a thing for NDSU football. I can only dream of a day when Lee Corso is doing a Bunyan's Bomber while trying to say "Not so fast" and sporting a Red Fur Coat (man, I got to get me one of those for this season).
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Post by jackl on Aug 12, 2015 21:32:08 GMT -6
Yes, a little reading comprehension is in order. YF wrote about goals in all sports: "something we should be striving for in all sports" and he expressed optimism those goals can be met. You come back with a snarky comment. Within the FCS Division, every school in the MVFC is playing a tough schedule. I think the men's basketball teams are not in the same position as the women's teams BUT they are setting that goal, aren't they? I wasn't being snarky, and yes you're still struggling with reading comprehension. Saying you "can" do something is not simply expressing optimism. 1. It's not realistic to schedule your non-conference home football schedule that would be comparable to the Jacks womens bb. 2. It would also be insane because it could hurt your playoff chances. 3. It's also not feasible to have a comparable mens bb schedule to a womens.
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Post by jackjd on Aug 12, 2015 22:08:14 GMT -6
Good one. Sure that guy isn't one of yours?
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Post by yoteforever on Aug 13, 2015 6:05:42 GMT -6
JackJD is correct. The intent of my post was to put out there that things have indeed changed, and when USD went to Division 1, the game changed so to speak. I was indeed complimenting SDSU for the women's basketball schedule that includes home dates with two power 5 conference schools, one being very elite. By them doing that, I was simply pointing out to our fan base that USD is capable of doing the same thing in women's basletball, also, use that as a platform to schedule quality teams in other sports as well. The "old time mindset" of yesteryear no longer is acceptable.
Our women's program is growing fast, and is in very good hands with Coach Williams. Not only is she a good coach, she is a gem of a person. After the arena is built, and assuming she has several coaching connections throughout the basketball world, she is capable of accomplishing the same type of thing. Our men's program is not likely to bring in power 5 conference school unless there would be some sort of guaranty, along the lines of USD vs. Iowa State where the Cyclones could go on the road, get a guaranty, and feel most likely a win. Jackl, you imply I don't know how scheduling works, but you couldn't be more wrong. And each sport, at respective universities are different. But by and large, both mens and women's basketball schedules are put together by the coaching staffs. So in the case of SDSU, their head coach has expanded his base of coaching "friends" throughout the country, and used some off his "capital" by bringing in the likes of Notre Dame and I beleive Arkansas. Again, good for them, good for the state, and good for our program as well. My guess is Coach Williams is going through the stage of getting her program recognized on. Regional basis, which leads to recognition down the line on a national basis.
In football, the coaches may have some input to the schedule,but by and large that is in the hands of the AD. The AD is the man responsible "running the business " of their respective athletic departments, so he/she is going to deal with the financial details with more "hands on" scrutiny because the draws and guaranties this program brings in can "drive the bus" for the others. No head coach in their right mind at USD would schedule Oregon as an example if their intentions were to get as many wins as possible, but when they offer $500,000 to come out, that's when the AD has to make that decision. In addition to that, when recruiting, the coach can tell a kid that every year we will be playing a team from the POWER FIVE schools, no different than other schools in the MVC. And on occasion, you might just sneak up on one and get the money and a WIN. i.e. MINNESOTA five years ago. And. It's likely, at some point, it will happen again.
Where I disagree with Jackl is that he feels we will never get those types of games, or even close, to come to Vermillion. I know he's wrong there. I have two examples in men's basketball I can point to. When Coach Boots resigned, and we had an opening after Coach James was released, we had two unbelievably strong candidates to take that job. One was Coach Smith ( by the way, who was a fantastic hire ) and a young man named TJ Otzelberger, who was the top assistant at Iowa State. Two truly top notched coaches. I know TJ personally, and I know for a fact that Caoch Houberg at Iowa State was going to bring his squad to Vermillion to open up the new arena with a bang. He would have done that for TJ. And it made sense. The game was against a team from a league that ranks in the middle of conferences, would have been on the road, and was regional in nature meaning they could come in the night before, play the game, and go back home. In that example, we would have hosted a team that is going to make a run at the national title this year. That's pretty impressive. And it would have happened. My guess is Caoch Smith maybe had a conversation with his former boss, Tim Miles, but Coach Miles might be a little apprehensive coming for fear of getting his ass beat. When the schedule comes out next year, for the new arena, we'll know for sure. Going back to Coach Otzelberger, he would have also been able to bring in Creighton periodically due to his relationship with Coach McDermott. THIS JACKL IS HOW SCHEDULING WORKS IN MENS AND WOMENS BASKETBALL.
In football, if I was AD, I would explore the option of bringing in a mid major team by making a 2 for 1 deal. Since our former AD's are at Kent State and Miami of Ohio respectively, I'll use them as a example. If we would sign a deal wheel we go their place twice, they agree to come to Vermillion once. It's a net gain for them because they get two home games where they don't have to pay a guaranty. The guaranty is in the fact they have agreed to come to the Dome and play us once,thus giving our AD to sell a lot of season tickets and bring in a named football team. But the other fact that gets lost on most of us many times is the need for the guaranty games. This year Kansas State. Next year California. I know Iowa State is on the schedule in the future, I beleive in 2020. So most of our coaches would not want to bring in Miami of Ohio after playing CAL because obviously getting a win helps the physchy of the team.
At the end of the day, whether it's women's basketball ( not as highly followed on a national basis as men's basletball or football ), men's basletball, or football, all I did was suggest, after looking at SDSU's women's schedule that bigger and better things can and should be on the horizon for us. It was a compliment that many of their fans know was a compliment, but there are certain fans of theirs that think only they can pull off that trick. Not so. Coach Johnson has done an amazing job of building their program, and Coach Williams isn't far behind, if behind at all. We just haven't been there as long,and that's where the recognition comes in.
Thus ends today's sermon. AMEN
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 13, 2015 7:52:21 GMT -6
...and that folks is how you win at the internet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 16:53:22 GMT -6
Not trying to argue but to say that Amy Williams is right with AJ is a little much. It's not only what he is currently doing but what he did back in the D2 days and what he did early in D1 and the transition period. Winning a D2 NCAA national championship and multiple deep runs in the D2 NCAA tournaments is hard to look past along with getting a D1 NCAA tournament win and being ranked in the top 25. Williams is well on her way with the success the past 2 seasons but AJ has been near perfect since getting the head coaching job at SDSU. This isn't a knock on USD or Amy Williams. I just think its WAY to early to say that Williams is on the same pedestal as AJ. Time will tell. Fair?
Let's all just hope for a successful OOC for the Summit and hope for another USD/SDSU Championship game in Sioux Falls.
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Post by canislatrans on Aug 13, 2015 18:02:47 GMT -6
Williams from her first season, with an injury-plagued team showed that she can coach with the best of the Summit League, and she hasn't let up. She may not have the resume yet, but I haven't seen her out-coached by anyone, including AJ.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 21:06:26 GMT -6
Williams from her first season, with an injury-plagued team showed that she can coach with the best of the Summit League, and she hasn't let up. She may not have the resume yet, but I haven't seen her out-coached by anyone, including AJ. I'm not knocking Williams at all, I'm just stating that I don't think its fair to AJ to say that Williams is right there with him when he HAS the resume and his argument can be backed up. Williams has only been a D1 head coach for 3 years and has 1 NCAA tournament appearance and 1 regular season championship. AJ was more successful in his first 3 years at the D1 level. And if you want to use the argument that the Summit didn't have any competition back then, go back and look at Luper from ORU as well as the OOC wins the Jacks picked up. Once again, this is NOT a knock on Amy Williams or the USD WBB program. Just give her a couple more years before this debate gets started. I have no doubt in my mind that USD isn't going anywhere and will continue to be a force in the Summit and challenge the Jacks.
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Post by yotefan on Aug 14, 2015 6:10:55 GMT -6
A Luper? A Looper?... All I have to say is"Gunga galunga, gunga gunga lagunga" at this point. Both AJ and Amy are great coaches. Let's wait for both to conclude their careers and then do our comparisons. In the meantime, click on the link below for a smile to start your day. www.youtube.com/watch?v=X48G7Y0VWW4
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Post by yoteforever on Aug 17, 2015 6:53:28 GMT -6
Not trying to argue but to say that Amy Williams is right with AJ is a little much. It's not only what he is currently doing but what he did back in the D2 days and what he did early in D1 and the transition period. Winning a D2 NCAA national championship and multiple deep runs in the D2 NCAA tournaments is hard to look past along with getting a D1 NCAA tournament win and being ranked in the top 25. Williams is well on her way with the success the past 2 seasons but AJ has been near perfect since getting the head coaching job at SDSU. This isn't a knock on USD or Amy Williams. I just think its WAY to early to say that Williams is on the same pedestal as AJ. Time will tell. Fair? Let's all just hope for a successful OOC for the Summit and hope for another USD/SDSU Championship game in Sioux Falls. San, I went back to the beginning of this thread and read every post and no where do I read anything that even indicates someone saying Coach Williams is on the same level as AJ. The closest thing to it as a comment that as made that he/she feels she hs yet to be out coached by him. I don't think you're looking for a fight, and that you are backing "your guy" vs "our gal" but no one said anything about being on the same level, or pedestal as you put it. The reason for my debate here is because so many of your fans think every one on staff at SDSU is far superior to USD, and that drives me crazy. I'm not sure if you're one of them or not, but if so, be aware there are others in the world that can coach beside AJ. What AJ has accomplished is amazing, and he should be lauded. But Coach Willuams, in a very short amount of time has done some pretty spectacular things herself. At worst case, she has put the Jacks on notice there is more than one team in SD. For our fan base, that's awesome. So recognize the fact no one even dared to compare Amy to AJ, but have commented the trend is upward. And you're right, time will tell. Fair?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 16:50:15 GMT -6
Not trying to argue but to say that Amy Williams is right with AJ is a little much. It's not only what he is currently doing but what he did back in the D2 days and what he did early in D1 and the transition period. Winning a D2 NCAA national championship and multiple deep runs in the D2 NCAA tournaments is hard to look past along with getting a D1 NCAA tournament win and being ranked in the top 25. Williams is well on her way with the success the past 2 seasons but AJ has been near perfect since getting the head coaching job at SDSU. This isn't a knock on USD or Amy Williams. I just think its WAY to early to say that Williams is on the same pedestal as AJ. Time will tell. Fair? Let's all just hope for a successful OOC for the Summit and hope for another USD/SDSU Championship game in Sioux Falls. San, I went back to the beginning of this thread and read every post and no where do I read anything that even indicates someone saying Coach Williams is on the same level as AJ. The closest thing to it as a comment that as made that he/she feels she hs yet to be out coached by him. I don't think you're looking for a fight, and that you are backing "your guy" vs "our gal" but no one said anything about being on the same level, or pedestal as you put it. The reason for my debate here is because so many of your fans think every one on staff at SDSU is far superior to USD, and that drives me crazy. I'm not sure if you're one of them or not, but if so, be aware there are others in the world that can coach beside AJ. What AJ has accomplished is amazing, and he should be lauded. But Coach Willuams, in a very short amount of time has done some pretty spectacular things herself. At worst case, she has put the Jacks on notice there is more than one team in SD. For our fan base, that's awesome. So recognize the fact no one even dared to compare Amy to AJ, but have commented the trend is upward. And you're right, time will tell. Fair? Going back I must have took "Coach Johnson has done an amazing job of building their program, and Coach Williams isn't far behind, if behind at all." out of context. I truly didn't want to start anything. I know that there are better coaches out there better than AJ, but he is one of the top at the mid-major level and has proved it year after year. Amy is well on the rise especially with the regular season championship this past season and a NCAA tournament berth the season before. The Jacks aren't going anywhere and it appears that the Yotes aren't either(which is a great thing for the state of SD as well as the Summit).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 13:36:48 GMT -6
Just because I know all of you care so much, the Jacks came in at #43 in the nation (ranking #1 in the Summit) in College Sports Madness Top 44 preseason rankings and preview. Everyday they will unveil the next team in the rankings. www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/11947One mistake they made is that they list Thompson as a Senior instead of a Sophomore.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Oct 2, 2015 14:02:01 GMT -6
So according to this list they are rated higher than the North Carolina Tar Heels who were a 4 seed and made the Sweet 16 in last year’s tourney. Impressive.
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