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Post by illiinfans on May 6, 2015 22:18:12 GMT -6
List them with factual reason, you keep saying there is all the evidence in the world. I have long been a Coyote, I do not approve with the way you are talking about one of our own. The kid didn't get a chance, hell, he shot just as well as some of the guys playing a lot more than he did.
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Post by miniravo on May 6, 2015 22:47:50 GMT -6
golfingyote, you couldn't be more wrong with that statement. I had a quick look at your post history, and you have been slandering his name ever since he got here. Do you know him personally? He was not given anything close to opportunity he deserved. 18pts at wofford, saved the game from a potential disaster. Then played 2 minutes the next day against Fairfield. That is not an opportunity. I am not a fan of treating young men this way, especially to guys who have proved themselves at this level. We lost a great representative of this program.
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Post by yoteforever on May 7, 2015 6:31:28 GMT -6
There's a little truth in what everyone says about Adam. Without doubt Adam was a class act while he was here, and his post demonstrated his class on his way out of a bad deal. Apparently Coach Smith feels he couldn't contribute in a manner that makes USD a contender next year. Anyone that has any compassion for people at all has to feel badly for Adam right now. It does happen pretty frequently where players don't work out and are shown the door.
Coyotefans assessment is harsh, but I've come to realize insensitive posts from him is expected. I was out in Coonecticut when the Coyotes played in that early season tournament and it is true Adam played a great game one night, then barely saw the floor for the next few games. But we have to trust the staffs assessment although it has personal feelings.
Miniravos assessment and comment is fair. Many people feel if a player comes to a school to play a sport should keep the scholly even if they don't pan out. I get that, it certainly is an honorable trait. In fairness to the new staff, they weren't the staff that brought him in, and maybe there's less feeling of responsibility to do that. I'm not a basketball guru, but I would've thought Adam, if nothing else, would have been a good practice player, and available to come off the bench. But maybe Coach Smith was just honest with him and told him he wouldn't play, and Adam elected to move on. I guess we will never know the entire truth when things like this happen.
Good luck Adam. Have a great final year where ever you land.
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Post by Yotes on May 7, 2015 6:53:45 GMT -6
It felt like every time he touched the ball he was either going to shoot it or turn it over. I don't question the staff's decision to limit Thoseby like they did.
I do have issue if his scholarship was in fact pulled. The silver lining there would be that at least Thoseby is earning his degree while under scholarship. I would absolutely hate to see the staff pull those scholarship of a guy who still needs a year or two to complete it.
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Post by fightsd on May 7, 2015 7:12:03 GMT -6
Thanks to Adam for his time here. Wish him the best of luck wherever he ends up finishing his career. Hope he returns someday and lets me buy him a beer or two.
I get that this kind of thing happens, but it's really too bad. Seems like it always happens to the good kids. Nobody on here knows if he was given a fair shake with the new staff or not. None of us (at least I don't think so) went to practices or team meetings. We just saw what happened on game day. If Coach smith didn't think Adam was a good fit for what they were trying to do, then I'm inclined to believe him. That being said, I really hope he was given the option to stay on board and finish his career here. I don't know the ins and outs of his scholly situation, but I hope he was told he could stay regardless of what happened with his scholarship. I saw a talented basketball player and a great ambassador for the program.
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Post by miniravo on May 7, 2015 9:22:10 GMT -6
I think it says a lot about his work ethic and ability that a player from Europe was scouted for a D1 college. More often that not id see him leaving either the Dome or wellness centre alone; you skeptics will claim I'm a liar or that it was pure coincidence but I honestly think that not a single guy on that team put in as many hours off the court as he did. I've been to practices and he was making the 1st 5 look pretty damn average, yet the second he got near a game, none of that seemed to matter. I hope wish him all the best and thank him for what he brought to this program. I'm sure I'm not the only one that will miss seeing him play.
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Post by yote14 on May 7, 2015 13:58:12 GMT -6
I've stated before how much I like Thoseby as a person. Stand up guy and how he handled himself on the way out is a lesson you cannot teach someone. Great qualities to have Adam and good for you.
That being said. did we win more games this year or during his Sophomore year. What did we do in the tournament against Denver last year compared to Fort Wayne (a favorite by some in the tourney) this year. It sucks. We all wish it didnt happen especially to a kid like Thoseby. At the end of the day if Smith and his staff only won 4 games the next 2 years would that be ok with fans because he kept all of the kids he didnt recruit on scholarship because it was the right thing to do? Smith needs to succeed in order to keep his job. And in these days succeed in a very short period or everyone wants to get rid of him. So do not fault him for this move. He needs to do what it takes to be successful and he has proven so far he is succseeful.
In my opinion its a win/win. Smith can build a program the way he wants and Thoseby can immediately play his final year somewhere else where he will get playing time compared to sitting his last year of eligability on the bench. How fair is that. I'm sure the fact that Thoseby can play immediately somewhere else played a role in this decision so lets give the staff some credit for that. It truly is the best thing for everyone.
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Post by yotemeal on May 7, 2015 14:48:37 GMT -6
These are tough situations. I don't know the kid, but the accounts I've heard suggest he's a hard worker, great teammate and program patriot. I'm sure it was a difficult conversation for our coaching staff to have. But it's a conversation they can and should have if, in their judgement, it makes sense to move in a different direction. No one is better positioned or qualified to make that determination. As long as the public judges D-I coaches by wins and losses, those coaches deserve the latitude to make these kinds of decisions, which I can guarantee are not made lightly. This is not a black eye for our program or a damaging precedent; it just didn't work out, as is the case regularly in every program across the country.
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Post by kioatee on May 7, 2015 20:23:29 GMT -6
DISAGREE with your comment about not a big loss. Perhaps maybe basketball he wasnt what the coaching staff wanted but did you read his note? What a class act. he had nothing but good things to say about the University. I want to thank Adam for three years of hard work and dedication to Coyote athletics. He deserves some respect from us on the board. Not a good riddance There are about 100 million people in the world that are a class act so what is the point. That doesn't mean they should be on a basketball team taking a scholarship from a player that very well might be more deserving. Hopefully he does well where ever he goes. I have nothing against Thoseby but I have seen nothing from him from a skills perspective supporting him to be on the team either. He wasn't a real contributor so from a basketball standpoint he won't be missed very much and this is a D1 college basketball team we are talking about, not a campaign for president. Good for him that he had nice things to say on his way out. He will basically be forgotten about by this time next year. Did not say he should be kept on the squad. Said that "he deserves our respect". Not another Coyotefan hate sling
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Post by illiinfans on May 7, 2015 22:07:13 GMT -6
I guess we will just ignore his sophomore stats then. That is the year that counted for him, he was a good sophomore, he proved 3 games in that he could be a better junior. He was so limited this year playing time wise, and was never given a chance. There is no evidence to deny that claim.
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Post by howlincoyote on May 8, 2015 8:03:32 GMT -6
So here's what we have:
--Several posters are upset that Thoseby has left (or been forced out of) the men's basketball program --Several posters are comfortable with this decision because Coach Smith needs to do what's right for his program and Thoseby wasn't one of his recruits in the first place. --Some say Thoseby should have had a chance to play more as a junior based on his statistical performance as a sophomore and one game as a junior. --Others say "Tough break, that's how it goes sometimes." --Everyone on both sides seems to agree Thoseby is a good human being.
To the fans/friends/etc. who are upset things didn't work out for Thoseby -- what is it you're looking for now? It's totally fine if you're frustrated by the situation, but what are your frustrated posts attempting to accomplish?
Are you saying Coach Smith should be reprimanded for asking a player he didn't recruit to leave? Is there some concern that this makes USD's program look "bad" or undesirable to future recruits in some form or fashion? If the argument is simply that "Thoseby deserved more of a shot last year than he got," that's a reasonable position to take, but what is arguing that position accomplishing at this point? I'm not asking to be disagreeable, I'm just trying to understand the logic here.
Is it that Thoseby fans believe he should be allowed to return for the Coyotes next season? Because I find that scenario unlikely. And, frankly, even if by some really odd circumstances Thoseby did return, is Smith then expected to play him more as well due to his strong statistical sophomore season? It seems to have been made pretty clear on all fronts that that isn't going to happen either.
The consensus seems to be that he appears to be a great person (or at least a great representative of a basketball program). So nobody is bashing the kid's character, which is probably the most important thing.
I'm just trying to follow the rest of this argument and what people are attempting to accomplish. Are you trying to defend him in case other coaches from schools he might transfer to are reading these message boards? Are you frustrated with Coach Smith's decisions as the head coach of the program (because, from what I can tell, he seems to have things going in the right direction)? Are you simply trying to let people know that Thoseby is a good kid and a solid basketball player? I don't think many people on here doubt that. Maybe a very small handful, but not many/most.
Just a few questions that have been brewing in my mind the past couple of days since this thread popped up and people seem to be arguing themselves in circles.
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Post by Yote 53 on May 8, 2015 9:25:24 GMT -6
In my opinion its a win/win. Smith can build a program the way he wants and Thoseby can immediately play his final year somewhere else where he will get playing time compared to sitting his last year of eligability on the bench. How fair is that. I'm sure the fact that Thoseby can play immediately somewhere else played a role in this decision so lets give the staff some credit for that. It truly is the best thing for everyone. This is probably the right way to look at this. If the player had a year or two of school left maybe the decision to release him of his scholarship would have been different, maybe it wouldn't have happened, something we will never know. The reality is that the player has finished his schooling and has the opportunity to finish his basketball career playing someplace where he will get meaningful minutes instead of wasting away his final year of eligiblity on the bench. Yeah, it sucks to have to uproot but it could end up being the best thing for the player. We also don't know if the USD coaching staff is using contacts they have to find a school where Thoseby can fit in and play meaningful minutes (I really don't know if that is allowed under the rules but, you know, sometimes people talk informally). This is the world of D1 college basketball. It happens at every single program and, no, there will be no black eye for the program because of this. If people don't like it they can lobby the NCAA to change the system becasue right now this is the way the game works.
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Post by Coyote Fan on May 8, 2015 16:43:06 GMT -6
I have always thought Thoseby had an upside but for whatever reason he never realized that at USD. Is it because of him, because of the coach or because of some other intangible? That is debatable but whatever it is I trust Smith made the decision that is best for the program. Is Smith going to be 100% right on every decision that he makes. No he won't be but I think his decision making speaks for itself and so far seems to be right about 90% of the time. Maybe he isn't right on Thoseby, who knows but he has made enough other good decisions than I can live with the Thoseby decision regardless of why it was made and how it was made. He has definately upped the level of the program. Remember when we had Boots at the helm. His dog house was about as big as the Dakotadome with plenty of talented players being in it. I had issue with many of the players that he didn't give a fair shake to. I think the big difference with him is that he seemed to prefer to play only about 6 or 7 guys whereas Smith seems to have a bit deeper bench. Ok I know that is old and looking at the past but Smith is the refreshing new blood that this program so badly needed. That is to take nothing away from Boot's accomplishments but his program had become stale and it was definately time for a change.
As long as the Coyotes never play (and unforutately would have to beat) the eventual college that Thoseby ends up going to the more power to him and his college career path. Hope he does well because he was a former Yote. From a basketball perspective he simply just never made it with the Yotes and it really is as simple as that.
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Post by yoteforever on May 8, 2015 19:45:43 GMT -6
I'll sleep well tonight
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Post by yippinloud on May 11, 2015 1:39:12 GMT -6
Don't post often, and will only post once on this - but Thoseby seems to have polarised opinions - he obviously has lovers and haters so its not all that objective. Defensively this year he was somewhere between 5 and 6 defensive boards per 40, and he picked up rebounds in his sub 5 minute games. So boards OK for a shooting guard,and he was getting involved quickly. Turnover fears/comments not justified - in fact up there with or better than almost all of the starting 5 - 6 in 151 minutes. Probably ran scout in practice as he was seen to be versatile (see James views on Coyote Corner Interview) so was he assessed on his ability to be like someone else....twice a week? Gotta laugh about the "sure he can score comments". It's a simple game, we score more than they do and we win. Looks like he wasn't even considered as a scorer which seems strange as we gave away height so much. Also, his stats look pretty good when he was allowed to play decent minutes. We won 12 last year and 17 (and played 3 more). This in a weaker conference (NCAA stats not mine) Last year we both poor and unlucky on the road at different times, we picked up some close ones this year, last year we were 10 and 4 in The Dome and this year 8 and 5 - big difference seems to be wins on the road. GoYotes, see you in the Dome
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