91jack
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Post by 91jack on Mar 25, 2016 10:28:07 GMT -6
Please enlighten me on how SDSU will be overrated when they return 12/14 players, all 5 starters, and get a former top 100 recruit active. I'm sure USD will still be in the top 3 in the preseason poll. Maybe ORU or IUPUI will be ahead of the yotes. The same way the wabbits were crowned the favorite the past 2 years when USD won the conference. For crying out loud there are people on your bunny board predicting a sweet 16 for next year already. This season SDSU was predicted to win the conference by SDSU 508 points, (17) first place votes USD 502 points, (15) first place votes That means that both teams were about even. That is the way it turned out, too. USD won 2-1 but they won by just over 1 PPG. That is about as even as you can get. If they played 10 games it would probably turn out that both teams would win 5 games each. With USD getting Seekamp back maybe they should have been up by 6 points but when you are talking 500 points 6 points aren't much. I think we all know how boards work. You have some fans that are realistic and some are a little more biased. SDSU played mainly 8 players this season. They do lose two of those eight but they do have all 5 starters back. Does that mean they will be better or worse? We will have to wait until next season to find out. They were only 2 points from the sweet 16 this season so why not think that a team that returns every starter can be 2 point better next season? Do you think that a team that loses 4 of 5 starters and loses probably the best player in team history will be better than a team that returns all 5 starters and they were 2 points away from the sweet 16? I'm sure some people will. That just how it goes. It may happen and it may not but we will have to wait until next season to find out for sure. SDSU and USD will probably be rated in the top 3 of the conference every season until some other teams step it up a notch. Both teams are that good right now and as long as they have the great coaches that they have, it probably won't change. By the way, Matt Zimmer picked USD to beat SDSU in the tournament because of the way both teams were playing. He isn't afraid to voice his opinion but he's just like everybody else and he might not be correct all of the time.
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Post by sdyotefan on Mar 25, 2016 12:08:00 GMT -6
Wrabbit fans just need to remember that the best team (most talented) doesn't always win the tournament (i.e. this year's state women and men teams)
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 25, 2016 20:25:49 GMT -6
Something that I find both interesting and encouraging. In both the game vs the Panthers and in the Summit tourney for the most part Amy did not shorten her bench during the important moments of those games. If Amy would have given up on Fogg (and she easily could have early in the year) we would have never seen her have a big impact in the later stages of the game yesterday. Fogg seemed to bring an element that UNI had a hard time matching up against. She had some nice offensive possessions that helped keep the Yotes close so they could pull it out in the end. Seekamp is obviously special but the Coyotes second unit somehow doesn't drop off much despite how good the starters are as well.
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steelsd
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Post by steelsd on Mar 25, 2016 21:41:33 GMT -6
Wrabbit fans just need to remember that the best team (most talented) doesn't always win the tournament (i.e. this year's state women and men teams) How do you figure our men's team wasn't the best team this year? We split the series with IPFW and tied for the regular season title. They were the one seed based off tie breakers. But we are certainly aware of that as it happened last year to our men and two years ago to the women when they lost to USD.
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Post by sdyotefan on Mar 25, 2016 22:13:33 GMT -6
Your men's team were the number 2 seed and beat the 7 seed by 3 then made a terrible foul with 2 seconds left against Denver 5 seed to put the 13th ranked FT shooter in the nation at the line for a 1 & 1. He bailed you out by hitting the front of the rim on his first shot and the ball bounced out. Certainly not a stellar performance for a #2 seed! The Lady Coyotes beat your women's team 2 of 3 games so who was the most talented team?
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steelsd
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Post by steelsd on Mar 25, 2016 23:25:49 GMT -6
Your men's team were the number 2 seed and beat the 7 seed by 3 then made a terrible foul with 2 seconds left against Denver 5 seed to put the 13th ranked FT shooter in the nation at the line for a 1 & 1. He bailed you out by hitting the front of the rim on his first shot and the ball bounced out. Certainly not a stellar performance for a #2 seed! The Lady Coyotes beat your women's team 2 of 3 games so who was the most talented team? Thank you for recapping the men's games for me, but I was actually there and saw them. No the men did not play well, but the tournament mantra is to win and advance, and they did that. Considering the one seed wasn't able to do that, using your logic I guess that does indeed mean we were more talented than them, and thus your claim is still false in its premise. We were conference and tourney champs, so it doesn't really appear to have been a fluke. And yes Jacks fans do acknowledge the best team doesn't always win the tournament as it happened to us two years ago. That year you were a 7-7 league team with losses to us by 11 and 19. A little bit different than the situation this year where all 3 games were close battles. So yes you did beat us twice, but how many top 25 teams did you beat? There are a number of ways to define who was better. I would say that we were very evenly matched this year. There is no denying you have a very good basketball team. From the majority of the posters on the SDSU board I would say most of us agree that having USD be good is a great thing for the league. I know I am rooting for you in the WNIT as anything that makes the Summit stronger helps us all out. We have unfortunately seen teams show promise by having some strong teams (such as ORU when they had Luper and company) but then they can't sustain it. So here's hoping that USD doesn't fall into that same mold. You appear to be trending the right way as long as your upcoming class lives up to its billing.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 26, 2016 0:36:30 GMT -6
If USD starts cutting into SDSU's NCAA birth's by about 50% or more will SDSU people keep saying that it's good to have the Coyotes be a strong force in the Summit League. Some how I think that sentiment would change rather quickly. It's easy to say it's good for the conference to have strong teams but that is looking at things from the top of the mountain.
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steelsd
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Post by steelsd on Mar 26, 2016 9:16:35 GMT -6
If USD starts cutting into SDSU's NCAA birth's by about 50% or more will SDSU people keep saying that it's good to have the Coyotes be a strong force in the Summit League. Some how I think that sentiment would change rather quickly. It's easy to say it's good for the conference to have strong teams but that is looking at things from the top of the mountain. Actually the hope is that is the path to the Summit becoming a multi-bid league.
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Post by wrj on Mar 26, 2016 10:42:51 GMT -6
If USD starts cutting into SDSU's NCAA birth's by about 50% or more will SDSU people keep saying that it's good to have the Coyotes be a strong force in the Summit League. Some how I think that sentiment would change rather quickly. It's easy to say it's good for the conference to have strong teams but that is looking at things from the top of the mountain. Actually the hope is that is the path to the Summit becoming a multi-bid league. Anytime that one team continually dominates any league, one of two questions, or both, needs to be asked. Why doesn't the dominant team move up to a level where the opponents are competitive, or, why don't the current opponents move down to a level where they can be competitive?
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Post by oldhare on Mar 26, 2016 10:52:08 GMT -6
If USD starts cutting into SDSU's NCAA birth's by about 50% or more will SDSU people keep saying that it's good to have the Coyotes be a strong force in the Summit League. Some how I think that sentiment would change rather quickly. It's easy to say it's good for the conference to have strong teams but that is looking at things from the top of the mountain. Actually the hope is that is the path to the Summit becoming a multi-bid league. This notion of 2 Summit teams in the NCAA tourney was part of more than one conversation with some Coyote fans while I attended the SLT. Those fans were less about who is the lucky team to win the tourney and the conversations were building the conference to have 2 worthy teams in the tournament. We seemed to agree about the level of competition each team brought to the court. As I watched the Sweet 16 in Sioux Falls yesterday, it makes sense that the South Dakota teams can compete at the higher level compared to the rest of the conference at this time. Each team may be missing a piece to move into the Elite 8 or Final 4. Meanwhile, we can continue the proverbial urinating match about individual team pride.
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Post by usdlaw on Mar 26, 2016 10:58:20 GMT -6
This thread drift and conversation is getting old. Both are really good teams and programs, have been for a few years now, and both of us hope for years to come. Ugh end the madness. If the rest of the league can just get better we end this discussion and have a two bid league.
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Post by Iceman on Mar 26, 2016 11:00:05 GMT -6
Spoken like a true SDSU fan. So the jacks are too good for the Summit?
So kind of like morningside in the NCC? They couldn't be competitive there so they move down to NAIA and compete for titles in football and women's basketball every year now?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 26, 2016 11:02:47 GMT -6
If there weren't continued urinating matches than would it really be called a rivalry. If the goal of the Coyotes was to be worthy of an at large bid I sure didn't hear that sentiment for much of the year. When the Coyotes weren't ready to open the season and lost to Utah, UNI and Kansas State there didn't really seem to be much concern about it then except from me. Now that they missed the tourney suddenly there is talk about it. They should have made it a point of contention to start the year on a better foot. It wasn't just Seekamp being out either. The team in general just wasn't quite ready to go at the beginning of the season.
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Post by oldhare on Mar 26, 2016 11:41:41 GMT -6
This thread drift and conversation is getting old. Both are really good teams and programs, have been for a few years now, and both of us hope for years to come. Ugh end the madness. If the rest of the league can just get better we end this discussion and have a two bid league. It is back to the opening statement that Williams has 5 solid recruits coming into Vermillion. Few teams get 5 recruits in one year less the notion of 5 solid replacements. As SDSU has found in recent years, the freshmen can often come into the program and contribute immediately. It is also rare to lose 5 solid seniors in a year that have been the foundation of a team. This next year will be a bigger test of Williams as a coach of the year with new talent rather than 2015-16 of seasoned veterans. I am guessing she will still blend 10 players into a rotation for the same style of play. Good luck in the WNIT.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 23:08:06 GMT -6
If there weren't continued urinating matches than would it really be called a rivalry. If the goal of the Coyotes was to be worthy of an at large bid I sure didn't hear that sentiment for much of the year. When the Coyotes weren't ready to open the season and lost to Utah, UNI and Kansas State there didn't really seem to be much concern about it then except from me. Now that they missed the tourney suddenly there is talk about it. They should have made it a point of contention to start the year on a better foot. It wasn't just Seekamp being out either. The team in general just wasn't quite ready to go at the beginning of the season. We aren't rivals though, remember? NDSU is their rival Yes, because teams can't have multiple rivals?
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