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Jan 23, 2016 22:23:38 GMT -6
Post by Yotes on Jan 23, 2016 22:23:38 GMT -6
I hate the direction college basketball is going in. To have both teams shoot respectable percentages from the field (41% and 43%) and then still have 12 more personal fouls than field goals is terrible to watch. Barring some incredibly undisciplined basketball or terrible shooting we should never see more fouls than field goals. Neither really seemed to be apparent tonight and there were still 12 more fouls than field goals between the two teams. This game felt like it was never going to end and will stick in my mind as one of the worst games I've ever watched. Even when we were leading late in the game it was impossible to be anything but cynical as basically every possession ended with a whistle. The total of 4 fast break points between the team really helps illustrates that point. Terrible game and anyone who bought a ticket is probably feels exactly the same as I do.
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Jan 23, 2016 23:19:23 GMT -6
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Post by 2002jack on Jan 23, 2016 23:19:23 GMT -6
The players and fans of the Summit League deserve better officiating than what we saw today. A real shame. I would typically say the players need to adjust to the calls, but that would have been impossible with these three whistle happy knuckleheads.
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Jan 24, 2016 7:54:59 GMT -6
Post by yoteforever on Jan 24, 2016 7:54:59 GMT -6
Well put. Doesn't take away your win, but the players and fans deserve far better. It was awful. ( have I said that before? )
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Jan 24, 2016 10:38:09 GMT -6
Post by wrj on Jan 24, 2016 10:38:09 GMT -6
I hate the direction college basketball is going in. To have both teams shoot respectable percentages from the field (41% and 43%) and then still have 12 more personal fouls than field goals is terrible to watch. Barring some incredibly undisciplined basketball or terrible shooting we should never see more fouls than field goals. Neither really seemed to be apparent tonight and there were still 12 more fouls than field goals between the two teams. This game felt like it was never going to end and will stick in my mind as one of the worst games I've ever watched. Even when we were leading late in the game it was impossible to be anything but cynical as basically every possession ended with a whistle. The total of 4 fast break points between the team really helps illustrates that point. Terrible game and anyone who bought a ticket is probably feels exactly the same as I do. I am not disagreeing with anything you say, but we are a hard bunch to please. If those fouls weren't called we would be complaining about the hackfest.
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Jan 24, 2016 11:42:53 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 11:42:53 GMT -6
The old ref chewing Casey out for flopping was bull crap!!! Caseys flop was pretty obvious. I also liked it when he was complaining after he made made 3 and he fell down and wanted a foul because he initiated the contact with Parks. Can't stand watching players flop (even when SDSU players do). They are cheating the game.
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Jan 24, 2016 12:38:56 GMT -6
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Post by ctc2010 on Jan 24, 2016 12:38:56 GMT -6
The old ref chewing Casey out for flopping was bull crap!!! Caseys flop was pretty obvious. I also liked it when he was complaining after he made made 3 and he fell down and wanted a foul because he initiated the contact with Parks. Can't stand watching players flop (even when SDSU players do). They are cheating the game. Which play are you referring to? The one where he was down on the court for a while?
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Jan 24, 2016 13:20:29 GMT -6
Post by usdguy99 on Jan 24, 2016 13:20:29 GMT -6
Caseys flop was pretty obvious. I also liked it when he was complaining after he made made 3 and he fell down and wanted a foul because he initiated the contact with Parks. Can't stand watching players flop (even when SDSU players do). They are cheating the game. Which play are you referring to? The one where he was down on the court for a while? Speaking of that play...I don't know if anybody else noticed the look that Bruce gave the official as he was helping Casey off the court. I have never seen Bruce look as pissed as he did at that point.
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Jan 24, 2016 13:43:38 GMT -6
Post by ctc2010 on Jan 24, 2016 13:43:38 GMT -6
Which play are you referring to? The one where he was down on the court for a while? Speaking of that play...I don't know if anybody else noticed the look that Bruce gave the official as he was helping Casey off the court. I have never seen Bruce look as pissed as he did at that point. It wasn't a flop on Casey's part and he definitely fouled the guy. He and Dan Jech got their feet tangled up and when Casey was falling to the floor his head went full speed into the State guy's shoulder. I was surprised he came back in the game to be honest after seeing the replay. If this is what everyone is calling a flop I will gladly post the video I have of the play to disprove your thinking.
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Jan 24, 2016 13:47:48 GMT -6
Post by coyotecrazie5 on Jan 24, 2016 13:47:48 GMT -6
Well state won the free throw battle and Daum played the game of his life hitting every 3 when they needed it. It was a hard game to watch with a foul on every single possession it seemed like. Congrats to Nagy on 400.
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Jan 24, 2016 14:50:57 GMT -6
Post by usdlaw on Jan 24, 2016 14:50:57 GMT -6
Caseys flop was pretty obvious. I also liked it when he was complaining after he made made 3 and he fell down and wanted a foul because he initiated the contact with Parks. Can't stand watching players flop (even when SDSU players do). They are cheating the game. Which play are you referring to? The one where he was down on the court for a while? Just to clarify I was referring to shortly after his 3 pointer in front of USD bench. Two possessions later right before an inbound play the ref chewed Casey out for the three pointer play. The USD bench clearly thought he was fouled. The refs comments were well before and not related to the no call charge on Tellehuzen (sp). The refs comments were also before the hard foul in which Casey got hurt. I saw Bruce's look too and thought it was because of that refs comments. It was the same ref. What I thought was interesting was that ref was not in position to see a foul or flop on the three pointer. But hey the refs called plenty of out of position calls yesterday both ways. It was like they had a contest to see who could blow the most whistles. While I agree both sides are hard to please, it is also true that a well reffed game you don't notice the refs. Both sides noticed the refs on almost every possession. That is telling for both teams. Not blaming the loss on the refs they sucked both ways. Just a bad game to watch. I was astonished at those refs comments to Casey. I have heard plenty of refs suggest something or talk to players in the middle of a game. I have never heard a ref actively chew someone out. It was a scolding that I felt showed predisposition. Were these the same refs that were suspended after USF game ?
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Jan 24, 2016 15:56:15 GMT -6
Post by usdguy99 on Jan 24, 2016 15:56:15 GMT -6
Which play are you referring to? The one where he was down on the court for a while? Just to clarify I was referring to shortly after his 3 pointer in front of USD bench. Two possessions later right before an inbound play the ref chewed Casey out for the three pointer play. The USD bench clearly thought he was fouled. The refs comments were well before and not related to the no call charge on Tellehuzen (sp). The refs comments were also before the hard foul in which Casey got hurt. I saw Bruce's look too and thought it was because of that refs comments. It was the same ref. What I thought was interesting was that ref was not in position to see a foul or flop on the three pointer. But hey the refs called plenty of out of position calls yesterday both ways. It was like they had a contest to see who could blow the most whistles. While I agree both sides are hard to please, it is also true that a well reffed game you don't notice the refs. Both sides noticed the refs on almost every possession. That is telling for both teams. Not blaming the loss on the refs they sucked both ways. Just a bad game to watch. I was astonished at those refs comments to Casey. I have heard plenty of refs suggest something or talk to players in the middle of a game. I have never heard a ref actively chew someone out. It was a scolding that I felt showed predisposition. Were these the same refs that were suspended after USF game ?Even though they sure seemed like they might have been, they weren't the same officials from the USF game. We have had all 3 of the officials from the USF game at one point this season, but they have been all women's games.
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Jan 24, 2016 17:15:46 GMT -6
Post by ctc2010 on Jan 24, 2016 17:15:46 GMT -6
Just to clarify I was referring to shortly after his 3 pointer in front of USD bench. Two possessions later right before an inbound play the ref chewed Casey out for the three pointer play. The USD bench clearly thought he was fouled. The refs comments were well before and not related to the no call charge on Tellehuzen (sp). The refs comments were also before the hard foul in which Casey got hurt. I saw Bruce's look too and thought it was because of that refs comments. It was the same ref. What I thought was interesting was that ref was not in position to see a foul or flop on the three pointer. But hey the refs called plenty of out of position calls yesterday both ways. It was like they had a contest to see who could blow the most whistles. While I agree both sides are hard to please, it is also true that a well reffed game you don't notice the refs. Both sides noticed the refs on almost every possession. That is telling for both teams. Not blaming the loss on the refs they sucked both ways. Just a bad game to watch. I was astonished at those refs comments to Casey. I have heard plenty of refs suggest something or talk to players in the middle of a game. I have never heard a ref actively chew someone out. It was a scolding that I felt showed predisposition. Were these the same refs that were suspended after USF game ?Even though they sure seemed like they might have been, they weren't the same officials from the USF game. We have had all 3 of the officials from the USF game at one point this season, but they have been all women's games. I believe we had 2 of them for the Omaha game the day after the USF debacle
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Post by yote on Jan 25, 2016 11:08:03 GMT -6
I agree about the bad refereeing - equally appalling both ways.
But what I haven't seen any chatter about over the course of the season and after this game is why allow meaningless offensive movement for huge chunks of game. Consistently. We are up 9 in the first half and start doing our now traditional dribble drive weave motion to nowhere. Nobody is looking to do anything with the ball except move it side to side. Then a 3 at the end of the clock or an iso. Why not get cutters off that action or slot a post-up in the midst of the motion? A high pick and roll off of it? We must have gone 20 straight minutes like this in the middle of the game and it happens many games.
The only guys we have that in my opinion we can constistenly iso are Burnette who is always on the bench in foul trouble and Shy who can't consumate the deal because of freethrow woes.
Usually in the first ten minutes we get to see a couple Jech post-up moves. Generally successfully. Then no Jech down low for the rest of the game. I know he needs strength which will come with time but he's got solid moves and uses both hands and looks to be a natural scorer. Why not explore that option more consistently? And Hagendorn - in one game, maybe Milwaukee, looked like the best player on the floor, but before and since then doesn't seem like he thinks he has a green light to be aggressive to the hoop. I know these guys are freshmen but then I watch the Dohm (sp) on SDSU and I'm wondering why he seems to integrate so easily comparatively. Maybe he is a bad example because I realize he played his best game in front of us.
Rant over but as we are getting deep into conference play I don't see improvement on the floor. Maybe the opposite. Like the way they work hard and love the inspiration from the coach but don't feel like the offense stays fluid through the course of a game.
On a side note loved to see Sparks and Flack out there again. Much needed boost of size and athleticism, respectively.
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Jan 25, 2016 12:20:32 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 12:20:32 GMT -6
With a competitive game like this one, everyone on both sides was edgy and the refs seemed to call them all. Did not miss any fouls that I can tell. Norris did a real comical jig when he forced Marshall to turn the ball over, not sure what Norris did but it seemed to work that one time. The announcers just said it was a turnover and never explained what it was that he done to make the turnover. Did anyone else notice what he did. Marshall apparently took too many steps which is high unusual. The refs did not miss anything.
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Jan 25, 2016 13:32:30 GMT -6
Post by ctc2010 on Jan 25, 2016 13:32:30 GMT -6
With a competitive game like this one, everyone on both sides was edgy and the refs seemed to call them all. Did not miss any fouls that I can tell. Norris did a real comical jig when he forced Marshall to turn the ball over, not sure what Norris did but it seemed to work that one time. The announcers just said it was a turnover and never explained what it was that he done to make the turnover. Did anyone else notice what he did. Marshall apparently took too many steps which is high unusual. The refs did not miss anything. Not sure which one you're talking about. The turnover near halfcourt (not sure who it was) was a travel and the one near the end of the game the player stepped out of bounds
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