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Feb 16, 2016 15:24:35 GMT -6
Post by mraugustana on Feb 16, 2016 15:24:35 GMT -6
USD has had players go on to play professionally in Europe going back many, many years, even back to the D2 days. So saying that Wolters has done more in professional basketball than any other USD player in history is false, or did you mean the cup of coffee he got with the Bucks? Either way, no matter what his talent is or whatever he achieved I still think the guy is a grade A tool for chirping a bunch of grey haired donors sitting court side. Right. Wasn't exactly my point, but I understand where you're coming from, particularly with my 2nd post. I meant more in recent years (hence my emphasis of "in the past 10 years" and "accomplished more in professional basketball than any recent Coyote," in my first post. I just didn't re-clarify that as well in my follow-up post, which is my fault. I apologize for that. On a side note, do you feel the same way about the stuff USD guys were supposedly doing on Saturday then, or is there a different standard there?
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Feb 16, 2016 15:28:30 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 15:28:30 GMT -6
USD has had players go on to play professionally in Europe going back many, many years, even back to the D2 days. So saying that Wolters has done more in professional basketball than any other USD player in history is false, or did you mean the cup of coffee he got with the Bucks? Either way, no matter what his talent is or whatever he achieved I still think the guy is a grade A tool for chirping a bunch of grey haired donors sitting court side. Please get informed about Wolters pro career before saying crap like this. There is reason why there is shrine for him at the Pentagon. It's pretty laughable that you feel the need to degrade someones accomplishments. Grow up. How are you an admin?
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Feb 16, 2016 15:31:46 GMT -6
Post by coyotecrazie5 on Feb 16, 2016 15:31:46 GMT -6
My point is you will not find any love lost for Wolters on this board. We are all glad he no longer suits up against USD and was a heck of a talent, no doubt.
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Feb 16, 2016 15:35:22 GMT -6
Post by feared on Feb 16, 2016 15:35:22 GMT -6
It's a shame he broke his hand/wrist in his rookie year. Who knows where he'd be now
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Post by yote14 on Feb 16, 2016 16:08:22 GMT -6
USD has had players go on to play professionally in Europe going back many, many years, even back to the D2 days. So saying that Wolters has done more in professional basketball than any other USD player in history is false, or did you mean the cup of coffee he got with the Bucks? Either way, no matter what his talent is or whatever he achieved I still think the guy is a grade A tool for chirping a bunch of grey haired donors sitting court side. Please get informed about Wolters pro career before saying crap like this. There is reason why there is shrine for him at the Pentagon. It's pretty laughable that you feel the need to degrade someones accomplishments. Grow up. How are you an admin? Wolters was a great player. Never said he was not. What exactly does Yote53 need to be informed about? Wolters did not have a pro career. he was drafted, made the minimum for his draft position and was out of the league a little more than a year after entering with very little playing time on one of the worst teams in the NBA during that time. That's not a career any more than the week I spent in the Black Hills panning for gold means I had a career gold mining. MrAugustana, I guess my response came after an SDSU fan found the need to come on here with backhanded questions about Norris cocking off as if no player on their team has ever done that to USD. (Wolters, Parks, Larsen all have done similar). Trevor Gruis, James Hunter, and Tyler Larson are all playing over seas professionally right now same as Wolters and they graduated from USD within the last 2 years. Larson has made two NBA camps the last 2 seasons. The difference is USD is realistic on what their players and Wolters was. Wolters was a really good player from a small school in a small conference. SDSU fans put him on some pedestal as if he is Paul George. Sandakotastate's comments on getting informed about Wolters pro career before saying crap shows their enlarged view of reality.
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Feb 16, 2016 17:57:32 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 17:57:32 GMT -6
Please get informed about Wolters pro career before saying crap like this. There is reason why there is shrine for him at the Pentagon. It's pretty laughable that you feel the need to degrade someones accomplishments. Grow up. How are you an admin? Wolters was a great player. Never said he was not. What exactly does Yote53 need to be informed about? Wolters did not have a pro career. he was drafted, made the minimum for his draft position and was out of the league a little more than a year after entering with very little playing time on one of the worst teams in the NBA during that time. That's not a career any more than the week I spent in the Black Hills panning for gold means I had a career gold mining. MrAugustana, I guess my response came after an SDSU fan found the need to come on here with backhanded questions about Norris cocking off as if no player on their team has ever done that to USD. (Wolters, Parks, Larsen all have done similar). Trevor Gruis, James Hunter, and Tyler Larson are all playing over seas professionally right now same as Wolters and they graduated from USD within the last 2 years. Larson has made two NBA camps the last 2 seasons. The difference is USD is realistic on what their players and Wolters was. Wolters was a really good player from a small school in a small conference. SDSU fans put him on some pedestal as if he is Paul George. Sandakotastate's comments on getting informed about Wolters pro career before saying crap shows their enlarged view of reality. I see you don't really know anything about his career either. He started over half the games as a rookie until he broke his hand (who cares what team, it's still the NBA). He was honorable mention all-rookie team. Are you really putting Gruis, Hunter, and T. Larson in the same category as Wolters? Wolters will get back into the league. I'm not going to waste anymore of my time about this. I know what I know and I'll leave it at that. Hope USD makes the conference tournament. It would be a shame/embarrassment if they don't.
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Feb 16, 2016 18:10:55 GMT -6
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Post by Yotes on Feb 16, 2016 18:10:55 GMT -6
You know what you want to know and that's why you can't make a good case for your claim.
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Feb 16, 2016 19:03:31 GMT -6
Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 16, 2016 19:03:31 GMT -6
Of course this whole Norris thing was brought up by a Jacks fan but Coyote fans bring up Wolter's and his showboating yet the SDSU fans get all offended that Wolter's was brought up. It's amazing how so many Jacks fans live in glass houses. Their players never do anything wrong and so many Rabbit fans hate on most of their opponents. Jackrabbits can be the name for SDSU athletics but Jack fans can adopt the nickname hypocrites which is exactly what they are. The Jacks were up big against the Yotes in the second half and the fans were still whining every damn time a foul was called on their team.
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Feb 16, 2016 19:26:42 GMT -6
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Post by golfingyote on Feb 16, 2016 19:26:42 GMT -6
The problem with wolters in regard to his nba career is that people in South Dakota judge him by who he was in college and not who he is as an nba player. Phenomenal college player and so extremely talented. Fact is he is limited in what he can bring to an nba team.
And for the people dogging usd pro players, Tyler Larson is having a very good season in Europe, and you could argue he has just as good of a chance to stick in the nba as nater Tator does. Larson is a freak athlete and fills up the stat sheet.
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Feb 16, 2016 20:52:28 GMT -6
Post by gopheryote on Feb 16, 2016 20:52:28 GMT -6
I'm not one who is a fan of showboating, but I do think it is interesting that Casey seemed to stare down the rabbit's bench. Seemed out of character, and made me wonder what smack was being said by rabbit players in Vermillion. Then I thought 'well, that is the fun of being 20 and playing college hoops'. I think it is great the players know and nosy fans don't. All part of the fun.
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Feb 16, 2016 22:21:43 GMT -6
Post by feared on Feb 16, 2016 22:21:43 GMT -6
Nothing against Wolters, he was a phenomenal player for SDSU. Just goes to show how big that next step is in the NBA!
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Feb 17, 2016 7:55:22 GMT -6
Post by mraugustana on Feb 17, 2016 7:55:22 GMT -6
Please get informed about Wolters pro career before saying crap like this. There is reason why there is shrine for him at the Pentagon. It's pretty laughable that you feel the need to degrade someones accomplishments. Grow up. How are you an admin? Wolters was a great player. Never said he was not. What exactly does Yote53 need to be informed about? Wolters did not have a pro career. he was drafted, made the minimum for his draft position and was out of the league a little more than a year after entering with very little playing time on one of the worst teams in the NBA during that time. That's not a career any more than the week I spent in the Black Hills panning for gold means I had a career gold mining. MrAugustana, I guess my response came after an SDSU fan found the need to come on here with backhanded questions about Norris cocking off as if no player on their team has ever done that to USD. (Wolters, Parks, Larsen all have done similar). Trevor Gruis, James Hunter, and Tyler Larson are all playing over seas professionally right now same as Wolters and they graduated from USD within the last 2 years. Larson has made two NBA camps the last 2 seasons. The difference is USD is realistic on what their players and Wolters was. Wolters was a really good player from a small school in a small conference. SDSU fans put him on some pedestal as if he is Paul George. Sandakotastate's comments on getting informed about Wolters pro career before saying crap shows their enlarged view of reality. I appreciate the levelheadedness of this response. Usually when I disagree with someone on here, it's met with, "You're an idiot and your school sucks at everything" types of responses. So thank you. I don't disagree that those guys are playing professionally and are possibly/probably having good careers. Frankly, Augie has had several overseas players in the past 6-8 years or so, with several having very respectable careers as well (Corey McIntosh and Cameron McCaffrey, in particular, have reached some of the higher levels of their respective leagues/countries, with a handful of others enjoying less accomplished overseas stints). My point is that the difference between playing overseas and playing in the NBA is still a pretty big one. 301 basketball players make an NBA roster each year. For all intents and purposes, that is 301 humans out of the billions of humans on this earth, and the millions of adult male basketball playing humans on this earth. Now I recognize that there are several factors that play into how someone makes an NBA roster (it's not just a guarantee that the 301 best players on the planet ALL happen to play in the NBA each year), but, for the most part, it's a pretty exclusive group of .000000043 of the earth's population each year that makes a roster. It's respectable that Tyler Larson has made two NBA camps the last two seasons. For his sake, I hope he makes a team before it's all said and done. But to act like Wolters just accidentally stumbled his way onto an NBA roster, as some people on here seem to be implying (not saying that's what you're doing, but others seem to be hinting at it), is absurd. You have to be a really, really (really) good basketball player to make an NBA roster, even if you don't get huge minutes night in and night out, and even if you're not on a very good team. I recognize that I'm not going to necessarily change anyone's mind on this specific part of the conversation and I'm sure I've already overstayed my welcome, so I probably won't say much more on this (unless someone responds to me directly in a way that merits a response). I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you want to compare the accomplishments of some of the guys you mentioned playing overseas to Wolters' accomplishments and say they're an apples-to-apples comparison, you have every right to do so. But I would be surprised if any of those guys you mentioned wouldn't trade their current situation for what Wolters has accomplished up to this point (and is continuing to accomplish himself overseas), so to mock his accomplishments as if he's just some D-League bench-rider reflects worse on the recent Coyotes' post-college accomplishments than it does on Wolters himself. That being said, I'm not even a Wolters "fan." If anything, I'll be forever disappointed that he picked SDSU over Augie. He and Cody Schilling would've been a dominant backcourt for three straight years. On a side note, I just want to mention that I appreciate all of the reasonable/level-headed responses from people. This is the first time I've ever posted an opinion on this forum that goes against the majority that wasn't met with a flurry of unwarranted personal insults. Makes it a lot more fun to come on here and have adult conversations with people on this forum.
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Feb 17, 2016 8:38:10 GMT -6
Post by Yote 53 on Feb 17, 2016 8:38:10 GMT -6
USD has had players go on to play professionally in Europe going back many, many years, even back to the D2 days. So saying that Wolters has done more in professional basketball than any other USD player in history is false, or did you mean the cup of coffee he got with the Bucks? Either way, no matter what his talent is or whatever he achieved I still think the guy is a grade A tool for chirping a bunch of grey haired donors sitting court side. Please get informed about Wolters pro career before saying crap like this. There is reason why there is shrine for him at the Pentagon. It's pretty laughable that you feel the need to degrade someones accomplishments. Grow up. How are you an admin? Why are you here? You should understand where you are at and why posters here aren't going to buy into drinking the Blue/Yellow Kool-Aid when it comes to one of your former players. Exceptional college player, marginal pro career, and I called him a tool for actions that have nothing to do with his basketball ability but rather how he conducted himself in a game. Chirping the actual players you are competing against, trash talking amongst a bunch of 20-something young men filled with testosterone, go ahead and have at it. Talking junk to a bunch of people sitting courtside who aren't even participating in the game, low-class. If you can't understand the difference then I don't know what to tell you.
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Feb 17, 2016 9:25:33 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 9:25:33 GMT -6
To Mr. Norris and all the other USD fans. Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get. Forrest Gump.
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Post by yote14 on Feb 17, 2016 11:46:10 GMT -6
I too can respect your demeanor MrAugustana. I hope you post more of your opinions as its a pleasure to have non USD people post on the board who are, like you said, levelheaded. We do not get intelligent responses from most SDSU fans who post on here. Augie fans that I have a relationship with have always been fair intelligent fans who have reasonable thoughts unlike our neighbors in Brookings. My wife actually graduated from Augie so I follow their programs too and I'm happy to see the moves they have made playing in the old arena and how good, really good, their men's team is this year. I hope they make a deep run in the national tourney. Cant remember how it all works but they should be hosting the regional tourney which will help big time.
The only thing I will add to Wolters being back in the NBA is I just dont see it. If it does happen it will be shorts stints here and there and nothing meaningful. That takes nothing away from how good of a college player he was and how hard it is to get into the NBA. I agree its significantly easier to play overseas compared to the NBA and comparing the two are not even close. When Wolters was drafted I always said he was not NBA material and would end up overseas very quickly like most players do from small schools. Really the only picks that matter are the high first round picks as most of the players drafted outside the first round of the NBA draft rarely make it in the NBA. Thats just a fact and I hope no one comes back with Tom Brady examples because there are always exceptions who do make it.
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