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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 20, 2011 11:34:30 GMT -6
If anyone was at the Sioux Falls Stampede game vs Sioux City last night at the Sioux Falls arena and tell me that hockey would be a bad idea, I dare you. Hockey is a very fun sport to watch in person and IMO would be a hit amongst college students. I believe that USD could do hockey down the road and it would go over quite well.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 20, 2011 12:43:17 GMT -6
Women's hockey would be the mirror sport to add plus low cost women's bowling if additional women's offerings would be needed. Women's field hockey could be another option. Title IX issue solved. Money for an arena is the issue as hockey is the only other revenue positive sport next to men's basketball and football and could sustain itself if the facilities were in place.
Maybe playing home games in Sioux City, Sioux Falls, or both cities during the program's infancy until a facility could be built. Would still need a practice facility in Vermillion, but games in those cities would assist in building a support base away from Vermillion.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Feb 20, 2011 13:10:17 GMT -6
Is it just me, but does bowling need a facility and field hockey need an area......just saying, that costs money too. Honestly, USD needs to show me they can actually be competitive in club hockey first. I really like hockey, but I don't want to add a program that might be .500 done the road, PLUS three programs that would be noncompetitive with bad facilities. Sorry, Pro's doesn't cut it as a D-I bowling facility for me. Field hockey could practice on the soccer field, but I don't even know if they are the same fields. Playing in Sioux Falls? When, the youth hockey program is lucky to be alive there because they won't even get a rink for the youth program. The Stampede play in the Arena, but they split with the Skyforce and HS wrestling and bball during state time, so it would be a hard sell there. One of the main problems with hockey right now is they have to drive to Yankton, so driving to Sioux City right now would be a longer trip. I am just saying.....
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Post by usdlaw on Feb 21, 2011 9:52:07 GMT -6
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Feb 21, 2011 12:15:12 GMT -6
Thank you USDLaw, my thoughts EXACTLY!
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Post by usdlaw on Feb 22, 2011 13:54:31 GMT -6
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Post by usdlaw on Feb 23, 2011 11:07:16 GMT -6
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 23, 2011 11:48:13 GMT -6
It is just frustrating when the journalists at the school newspaper don't do simple research for an article. In the article "Guarantess help football team..." the reporter makes a couple of mistakes. First saying that USD received money for a guarantee game against Florida last year, it was Central Florida. Second, that USD will be competing in the Missouri Valley Conference against schools like SDSU, UNI, and Wichita State. Wichita State? they don't even have a football program.
I know, not that big of deal. But these are simple mistakes that should not come out of the Al Neuharth Media Center. If sports reporters don't even know what is going on then how can we expect the general student population.
I won't even go into the theme of this story is that the football program is flush with money. We've got a two page thread on this site about how money is so tight we can't afford to pay our coaches competitive salaries. Geez, which is it? Well, I know the answer. The football team is signing these money games in order to prop up the rest of the athletic dept, specifically, funding women's athletics. But let's not put something that controversial in print.
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Post by yotemeal on Feb 23, 2011 13:18:12 GMT -6
As a former student journalist, I can assure you this reporter's errors have not gone unnoticed. Embarrassment teaches some valuable lessons. I remember one time as a freshman I submitted a feature story that got someone's first name ENTIRELY wrong. Taught me to ask twice if I didn't hear something clearly the first time. I could go on and on with examples of lesser offenses, but the point is that The Volante (and all student papers), at its core, is a journalism laboratory. Mistakes will be made. The story in question contained several ill-informed premises and hand-to-forehead factual errors, but hopefully a lesson was learned.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Feb 23, 2011 13:26:09 GMT -6
I can say it helps when some of the sports journalists get a real part-time job. The best thing that ever happened to me was getting hired by James Cimburek at the Yankton Press & Dakotan. I would be nowhere near the writer I am now because of it. Part of the problem at the Volante is that even though sports is one of the strongest sections, none of the higher ups care for it. Chuck Baldwin, the person who overlooks the program, spends more time bashing sports than he does helping sports. The good news is Chris Jenssen in the editor in chief and that's the closest to a sports person they have had in a while. Basically, just hope they go to the Press & Dakotan to learn.......
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 23, 2011 13:38:52 GMT -6
It is embarassing to USD. We have a respected school of journalism and yet simple errors like this make their way into a story. Alumni across the country have this paper sent to them (at least they used to). The online version can be read by anyone in the world (including SDSU fans who already have commented on this story and are having fun with it). Mistakes like this happen time and time again, especially in the sports section. Now, after reading your post CF#1, it begins to make sense. The Volante doesn't care about athletics at USD. It shows in their coverage and shows in their sloppiness.
They shouldn't have to go to the P&D or elsewhere to learn. They are paying 10's of thousands of dollars in tuition to learn right there at USD.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 23, 2011 13:46:06 GMT -6
www.volanteonline.com/sports/usd-sdsu-revitalize-rivalry-via-missouri-valley-1.2477931Another article, another mistake. Not huge, but still, take the time to get things right. The game will be the final regular season matchup on the Coyotes' 2012 schedule, and could potentially have playoff implications as both schools will be Football Bowl Subdivision playoff eligible, something Head Coach Ed Meierkort isn't particularly thrilled about.
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Post by yotemeal on Feb 23, 2011 14:10:37 GMT -6
What's interesting to note, and what most people don't realize, is that The Volante truly is a student newspaper. Unless things have changed since my time there, no CMJ faculty member, adviser or anyone outside of The Volante's student staff dictates content and design or has any role in copy editing. The Volante is independent to its core. The most valuable lessons, for better or for worse, often took place after publication during critiques by The Volante's experienced adviser and visiting professional journalists. As I reflect back upon my experiences there, I find it interesting that a newspaper staff, in many ways, is like a sports team. There were up and down years. Talent and dedication fluctuate as new classes replace experience. I don't mean that to imply that the current Volante staff, as a whole, is down, or even that this particular reporter doesn't have a future in journalism. What I hope to convey is that these are students who inevitably commit mistakes (and epic blunders) in their development. The Volante has produced some fantastic journalists, e.g., the EIC my freshman year now works for the Wall Street Journal. I have a handful of friends that worked with me at The Volante who now work at other major metro papers across the country. I turned down a newspaper job offer in upstate New York to become a scum bag lawyer. So sue me As I mentioned in my previous post, I trust a lesson was learned. This kind of thing has happened before and it will happen again.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 23, 2011 14:39:55 GMT -6
I just feel in a harsh and critical mood today, forgive me.
Maybe part of it is because I feel the Volante should do better, I expect more out of them.
I am still upset about the above the fold headline the week of Dakota Days. The headline was something about the amount of rapes reported on the USD campus compared to other South Dakota schools. Really? Is that the headline you need to put out the week of D-Days when you know how many alumni and family will be on campus reading the Volante? I was embarassed for USD. The story could have been the headline the next week or could have run inside the paper. IDK, be aware of your surroundings and your reading audience. Know the time and place for such things. How would you feel if you had a daughter at USD and came to town and read that? A little nervous, maybe.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Feb 23, 2011 17:10:33 GMT -6
The adviser of the Volante LOVES those kinds of headlines and he pushes them to do that. It's Chuck Baldwin, who is formerly of the Argus Leader.
Yote 53, I know the person who wrote this story and I think she has a bright future ahead of her. The people who proof her story know nothing of sports, sot hat doesn't help. I had Vance Janak, Jeremy Hoeck and Matt Dahlseid to learn from there and to read my copy to look for stuff like that. The person who wrote this story is a freshman and she is already the leader of the sport department, so there is no one above her to help her out. I think she is a good writer for a freshman and she is eager to learn and I know where she has applied for summer internships. I would say cut her some slack and blame the EIC's before her that discouraged sports and drove sports writers away.
These are the people I worked with on the sports staff when I got there and where they are now - Vance Janak (Hutchinson Daily, KS covering a five-title defending state champ football team), Jeremy Hoeck (asst. sports editor at the Press & Dakotan), Matt Dahlseid (Marshall, MN, sportswriter for the Daily up there), Ryan Moore (South Sioux City's paper), Dan Condon (editor of the paper in Jackson, MN), Erica Robish (became a business major), Drew Quandt (working on a book and also looking for a radio job, we won an award for our sports radio show), Mike Daily (still in school, working for the TV side about when i left), Royal McGregor (Still in school and PTer at the P&D), Sarah Paulus (just graduated and looking for a political job).
There just isn't that kind of experience at the Volante right now. Cassie Bartlett and Royal McGregor are the two most experienced people, easily, in sports right now.
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