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Post by flashtaco on Aug 3, 2016 8:27:17 GMT -6
What is the word on the happenings with the Argus Leader?
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Post by GoYotes on Aug 3, 2016 9:44:52 GMT -6
What happenings??
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Post by usdguy99 on Aug 3, 2016 14:09:00 GMT -6
What is the word on the happenings with the Argus Leader? I'm guessing you are talking about the fact that they did stories every day for the past week on SDSU football and nothing on USD football?
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Post by sd4life on Aug 3, 2016 17:21:39 GMT -6
Read the Yankton or Sioux City paper if you want anything USD. Argus as a whole is a horrible paper. I thought I read somewhere that what's his face at the Argus is on vacation.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 3, 2016 17:27:43 GMT -6
Read the Yankton or Sioux City paper if you want anything USD. Argus as a whole is a horrible paper. I thought I read somewhere that what's his face at the Argus is on vacation. There is a beat writer for USD at the argus? They say ya learn something new every day.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Aug 3, 2016 19:05:42 GMT -6
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Post by flashtaco on Aug 3, 2016 21:04:20 GMT -6
Not about mick or coverage. More of a general question about the Argus Leader.
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Post by usdguy99 on Aug 3, 2016 21:16:20 GMT -6
Well, it must be a sore spot with Coach Nielson specifically mentioned the slight at the Beresford golf outing. Yes, I know the breakdown is online. Where was the breakdown each and every day in print that they did the break down for state college? I think it would have been interesting to do the breakdowns side by side for each team.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 3, 2016 21:52:37 GMT -6
Very simple concept. If you don't want to read about a topic don't click on it. Some people may like to be critical of the Argus and in this thread this is the time and place for it. I think it is common knowledge that the Argus slights USD. They give us a second rate writer compared to what the Jacks get and have gotten. Terry V quickly made Mick look like the old sport writer that still used the old typewriter. As long as the Argus gives USD a second rate writer I will consider them a second rate provider for my sports information.
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Post by golfingyote on Aug 4, 2016 6:29:24 GMT -6
Well, it must be a sore spot with Coach Nielson specifically mentioned the slight at the Beresford golf outing. Yes, I know the breakdown is online. Where was the breakdown each and every day in print that they did the break down for state college? I think it would have been interesting to do the breakdowns side by side for each team. now that would just be too logical! I tend to try to side with Mick because I get covering the Yotes is just one of his several gigs, but these pieces he did by position all had the same pessimistic feel this time. They all just seemed rushed and maybe thats why they all dropped at once. Will be nice when JH is done with the amateur baseball beat.
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Post by kiyoat on Aug 4, 2016 7:27:01 GMT -6
Not about mick or coverage. More of a general question about the Argus Leader. You may want to be a little more specific about what you are asking. "What's the deal with the Argus Leader?" Sounds more like a Seinfeld Show lead-in than a thread starter.
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Post by yotebewithyou on Aug 4, 2016 8:36:58 GMT -6
Not about mick or coverage. More of a general question about the Argus Leader. You may want to be a little more specific about what you are asking. "What's the deal with the Argus Leader?" Sounds more like a Seinfeld Show lead-in than a thread starter. "What's the deal with the Argus Leader? Who exactly are they Leading?"
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Aug 4, 2016 9:36:33 GMT -6
You may want to be a little more specific about what you are asking. "What's the deal with the Argus Leader?" Sounds more like a Seinfeld Show lead-in than a thread starter. "What's the deal with the Argus Leader? Who exactly are they Leading?" Do you know the history behind the name? JH is the man and I love his coverage, but I just laugh and shake my head when I hear people suggest Sioux City has better coverage. That patently false. I mean, nobody even knows the beat writer's name. I've hardly ever seen an article from the posted. I know of no regular social media presence. Do they have potential due to a lack of a competing D1 school? Yes. Now step up! This all stems from comparisons to SDSU. The Argus doesn't act out of bias. It is all numbers based. We can't always blame the Argus, our fans and readers have a part to play as well. Hell the Argus publisher is a USD alum. I am not sure any of the sports writers are SDSU guys.
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Post by mraugustana on Aug 4, 2016 10:32:16 GMT -6
Zimmer said on his live chat yesterday that Mick was on vacation until yesterday. EDIT: I had a mistake here about which stories were displayed on the Argus site. That's my fault. Either way, obviously, yes, the "one story per day" thing probably would've been nice from a consistent media impression standpoint, but I'm guessing Mick had to crank them out so they'd be out by the time the big huge print edition preview section dropped. That's just a guess though.
If anyone's upset that the dude took a vacation, there's always going to be a "bad time" for him to take a week or two off, particularly in an era when people want continual news coverage of the topics that interest them specifically.
Funny that your coach complained about it in a public place.
As someone who is outside looking in at both schools' coverage, the bottom line is that, whether or not most USD fans care to hear it, SDSU has generally (and I emphasize generally) accomplished more newsworthy feats in the athletics realm than USD, and, also generally, has a larger fan base. Even if the Argus didn't try to keep things even/balanced between the two schools (which I actually think they do a reasonable job of, under the circumstances), at some point it makes more sense to favor SDSU with more/better coverage if both schools aren't equally competitive.
If Augie were for some reason getting more coverage USD, everyone on here would be saying, "Why on earth does Augie get more coverage than USD?!?!" That's because USD, overall, deserves more substantial coverage than Augie (I won't say better coverage because I think Ian Frazer does a solid job for Augie and USF, and I would personally prefer him over Mick even if we had the chance to switch the two). Frankly, based on overall athletic achievements and the size of the reader base, I don't think it would be horribly unreasonable for SDSU to get slightly preferential treatment over USD.
The Argus isn't obligated to cover both schools dead evenly on a 50/50 split. If SDSU were to have the most shocking drop-off in athletics ever and suddenly be finishing at the bottom of the standings in every sport for the next 10 years and USD was finishing 1st in every sport, the USD fan base wouldn't be clamoring to keep the coverage even between the two. You'd say, "That makes sense...they're not as good as we are, so we should get more/better coverage."
You can argue that both schools are pretty even, and they are definitely comparable (hence the pretty much even coverage, in my more objective opinion) but last year your men's basketball team was a couple of losses away from not even making the 8-team Summit League Tournament cut. There shouldn't be an expectation that they get "equal coverage" with a team that tied for first in the conference. People don't like to read about losses in the paper. Be honest, after a Coyote loss of a team you follow closely, do you make a strong effort to read the Argus game recap stories the same way you try to read them after wins? If you can all honestly say yes to that, then you're better fans than the average fan, I suppose. For the most part, people like to read about their teams' wins more than their teams' losses. And if people don't want to read stories about losses, and a team keeps losing (like your basketball team), it makes sense to give more space and stories to the team that people are buying papers and clicking links to read about.
On the flip side, I felt like your women's basketball team received borderline equal coverage with SDSU's all season. Why? Because they were both near the top of the standings and were both consistently generating stories of interest.
The same thing is reflected in the live chats. People complain that Mick doesn't put as much effort into his work, but for goodness' sake... you have to wait 17 minutes for your questions to go through on Zimmer's live chats because so many SDSU fans show up and participate. On Mick's, it's a surprise to see more than 4-5 people asking questions, if that. Half the time there are 8 or 9 minute stretches where no questions come in. That's not Mick's fault.
Sorry, it's been awhile since I had a chance to expand on something that I enjoyed contemplating and thinking about a little bit. This is one of those times and topics. I've defended Zimmer in the past on the SDSU boards too because, shockingly, the SDSU fans whine about his coverage all season long. It's ridiculous.
Anyway, I understand why people would be frustrated about the timing issue of these football preview stories, but, overall Cousin Eddie seems to be the only one on here who I think is looking at it reasonably. Just my thoughts. Bash away.
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Post by gopheryote on Aug 4, 2016 12:55:24 GMT -6
I agree with most of what has been posted here - yes the AL coverage is not great, and yes, Coyote fans play a role in that they don't participate.
So, I'd like to challenge everyone who posts or reads this fan board to go click on the game stories and weekly chat ALL THE TIME. They track which stories are read, so be part of the improvement!!! In fact, go right now and click on everyone of the position stories.
Now, it isn't within our ability to make the stories less pessimistic or the chats more insightful, but with participation and time, well, maybe. With more eyeballs, maybe the USD beat doesn't include 3 or 4 unrelated sports properties, but can be focused similar to TV/Zim. Or maybe JH gets hired by AL?
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