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Post by jackrabbit1979 on Mar 1, 2017 8:43:13 GMT -6
Would any USD fans be interested in swapping Saturday tickets for Sunday tickets this year, or buying Saturday tickets? I'll most likely have two reserved seats in the lower bowl, behind the benches at about the free throw line, that I won't be using Saturday afternoon or Saturday evening. I'd gladly trade you for reserved tickets for Sunday afternoon and Sunday evening, or sell the Saturday tickets? There is a possibility I'd have more than two as well, maybe four total.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 1, 2017 9:11:02 GMT -6
its a racket for sure, NDSU fans have always been turned off by going to the summit tourney, sdsu companies got their greedy mits on tickets back in 2009 and have passed them onto fans/employees. its always been a 80% sdsu fanbase down there, but beating them & going to the Big Dance 3 times is worth it every time.. and they still haven't won a game in the big dance. ps- who gives a crap about und basketball fans, you realize there will be literally 10 und fans next year at this tournament. 10 its not hockey A conference only works when each of its members are treated equally. See the difference between the Big 10 and Big 12 and how healthy each of those conferences are for proof. That's my point. With UND coming into the conference the slate should be wiped clean and equal opportunity given to all. I would even entertain moving the Summit Tournament East or South or West to appease those other members as well, if they are having issues with the tournament always being held in Sioux Falls. Yes, the tournament makes more money in Sioux Falls and it is a great event for the Dakota schools but what is the point if it alienates a conference member to the point where they are looking to get the heck out of the conference?
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Post by golfingyote on Mar 1, 2017 9:28:55 GMT -6
ooof. 65K in attendance and the revenue it generates....not gonna happen anytime soon. Douple would have a hard time explaining that move.
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Post by lakesbison on Mar 1, 2017 10:23:57 GMT -6
revenue for denny , who cares.
Would love to see this tourney in Minneapolis or Chicago.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 1, 2017 10:31:48 GMT -6
Yote53 has a valid point, and treating all the members fairly should include removing the "first dibs" rules with the UND addition. It's not like there wasn't a precedent. The early years of the SLT in SF had no "first dibs" rules, and SDSU fans still managed to dominate the tournament. Kudos to them for that!
I think that setting aside a section for each team to give that school first shot at decent seats each year would be the best way to go. Maybe you could shuffle the locations each year based on order of finish, with the best four teams in the four center sections. I'm sure many schools will still return a good number of tickets for the SDSU fans (and hopefully USD fans) to gobble up. I probably wouldn't give the schools a lot of time to sell the tickets to their fans, maybe a week or month at most.
At least that way we could remove the perception (or reality) of fans being "boxed out" of the best seats with exclusionary policies. Nobody would have a legitimate reason for complaining. Also I don't think the SLT is going anywhere. It wouldn't make financial sense.
A policy like that might even encourage out-of-state fan bases to participate in the tournament, which would be good for everyone IMO. ($$$$$$) Rather than staying at home and bitching, they would come and experience a great tournament (from a decent vantage point).
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 1, 2017 10:36:56 GMT -6
revenue for denny , who cares. Would love to see this tourney in Minneapolis or Chicago. Denny? He doesn't own the stadium. It is purely a sponsorship that is paid for jointly by Premier Bank and Sanford Health.
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Post by gorabbits on Mar 1, 2017 10:52:37 GMT -6
Yote53 has a valid point, and treating all the members fairly should include removing the "first dibs" rules with the UND addition. It's not like there wasn't a precedent. The early years of the SLT in SF had no "first dibs" rules, and SDSU fans still managed to dominate the tournament. Kudos to them for that! I think that setting aside a section for each team to give that school first shot at decent seats each year would be the best way to go. Maybe you could shuffle the locations each year based on order of finish, with the best four teams in the four center sections. I'm sure many schools will still return a good number of tickets for the SDSU fans (and hopefully USD fans) to gobble up. But at least that way we could remove the perception (or reality) of fans being "boxed out" of the best seats with exclusionary policies. Nobody would have a legitimate reason for complaining. Also I don't think the SLT is going anywhere. It wouldn't make financial sense. Double check with your athletic department, but I believe each school does get an allocation of seats in the lower bowl. There go directly to the school to sell/distribute as they see fit. These are probably used by by large donors and University personnel. Some of the out of the area schools who can't sell/use their tickets send them back and they become open to whoever wants to buy them. That is why some good seats sometimes open up late. In fact originally and probably still the case, each school had to but a certain number of tickets, perhaps 250. In any case there really isn't a bad seat in the Denny and no game have ever sold out yet. I have had season passes since the first year and have never missed a session in which SDSU played. I have probably attended 60-70% of the sessions in which SDSU did not play. The ticket allocation plan didn't change when you joined the conference, or Omaha, or anyone else and I don't see it changing when UND comes on board. Also in early days there were 10 teams in the conference and only 8 made the tournament. So I don't see a preliminary session being added when UND comes on board either
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 1, 2017 11:09:13 GMT -6
I believe each school does get an allocation of seats in the lower bowl.- If this is true, then the other schools' Athletic Departments have done a crappy job of marketing those seats to their fans, and that is on them. We should be seeing more fans from out-of-state, and they should be having a good time and spending money. In any case there really isn't a bad seat in the Denny - agree to disagree on this point. basketball sucks to watch from the ends IMO, and the upper bowl is pretty far.The ticket allocation plan didn't change when you joined the conference, or Omaha, or anyone else and I don't see it changing when UND comes on board.- Based on other comments here, the "first dibs" rules have changed. Also in early days there were 10 teams in the conference and only 8 made the tournament. So I don't see a preliminary session being added when UND comes on board either- I'll bet you your all-session passes that the tourney expands to 10. Find me another conference that excludes multiple teams from their championship tournament. I'll bet the reason the Summit did it that way was because of fluctuating membership numbers, with teams leaving and joining.
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Post by jackfan86 on Mar 1, 2017 11:19:46 GMT -6
The first dibs rule just changed. It did not coincide or have anything to do with new schools joining the conference.
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Post by thumper76 on Mar 1, 2017 11:45:41 GMT -6
The first dibs rule just changed. It did not coincide or have anything to do with new schools joining the conference. Stop it, you're ruining their narrative of unfairness. revenue for denny , who cares. Would love to see this tourney in Minneapolis or Chicago. Oh yeah, that would be as well attended and well run. Bison fans don't show up until the championship game. its a racket for sure, NDSU fans have always been turned off by going to the summit tourney, sdsu companies got their greedy mits on tickets back in 2009 and have passed them onto fans/employees. its always been a 80% sdsu fanbase down there, but beating them & going to the Big Dance 3 times is worth it every time.. and they still haven't won a game in the big dance. ps- who gives a crap about und basketball fans, you realize there will be literally 10 und fans next year at this tournament. 10 its not hockey LOL, you sound like JSU fans who bitched at NDSU fans about tickets available for the game in Frisco, you know that right? Except the opportunity is more open for NDSU fans to go and get tickets if they want. Too tough for bison fans sensitive little hearts to have a large number of opposing fans at a championship?
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Post by gorabbits on Mar 1, 2017 12:01:14 GMT -6
The Ohio Valley, Northeast Conference and Southland are just a few of the conferences that only invite 8 teams to the conference tournament and they have 12, 10, and 13 teams in their conferences respectively
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Post by Yotes on Mar 1, 2017 12:11:26 GMT -6
The Ohio Valley, Northeast Conference and Southland are just a few of the conferences that only invite 8 teams to the conference tournament and they have 12, 10, and 13 teams in their conferences respectively You'll be hard pressed to find more though. Only a handful of conferences exclude any teams from conference tournaments.
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Post by gopheryote on Mar 1, 2017 13:34:44 GMT -6
This entire conversation is odd. Not the subject matter, but the conversation. Let's get to the point - all of you SDSU fans that are reading this post: Why do you believe a process that has obviously helped your fan base's attendance is valid/fair? - Before you hurt yourself typing too fast, first know that your past attendance in no way gives you a right to a better/different ticket process. I saw Bon Jovi in 1988 (which rocked), but I don't get first stab at tickets if they come back to SF. You paid for and received tickets for past events, and my assumption is that you enjoyed it. Nothing more is earned or should be expected. - No one gives a hoot if your fanbase 'made the SLT what it is' (whatever that means). You go primarily to watch your team play, and your team has had great success in the tourney in this timeframe, thus you keep watching and paying attention. There isn't anything noble about occasionally watching a session your team isn't playing in, or the attendance would be the same in every session - which it isn't. I'm not being argumentative, but honestly the best reason I've heard to keep doing tickets this way is some version of "nana nana boo boo".
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 1, 2017 13:54:02 GMT -6
The Ohio Valley, Northeast Conference and Southland are just a few of the conferences that only invite 8 teams to the conference tournament and they have 12, 10, and 13 teams in their conferences respectively Surprisingly, you are right. I had assumed that maybe those conferences had fluctuating memberships, leading to that tournament format, but really those conferences have stayed with an 8-team format for quite some time, regardless of membership. I actually hope we stay with 8 teams. Having a 10th-seeded team win the tournament would render the regular season completely meaningless, IMO. Don't hold your breath, though. Money talks.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 1, 2017 14:02:51 GMT -6
The best thing that could have happened is for SDSU to have finished out of the playoffs. Would have loved to see all those SDSU fans "make the SLT what it is today" with the Jacks sitting at home watching.
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