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Post by Yotes on May 9, 2017 16:19:34 GMT -6
Sometimes situations allow for one to pander to their base and tell it like it is.
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Post by Coyote Fan on May 9, 2017 16:23:23 GMT -6
Summit should strike the Horizon first and offer 2 of the 3, UW-GB, UW-M, or UI-C and bring our number to 12 with UND coming in. Those schools can also bridge the gap to Indiana and provide more of an East/West balance to the conference. Like the article stated, the Summit has surpassed the Horizon on the pecking order of mid-majors. Offers go for schools to move up, not down. Could also ask MVFC mate YSU to join the Summit, although I have a feeling they would rather go east than west if they were to move at all. I completely agree. The Summit is always so reactive with everything and now it is time to be proactive. It's time to try to strengthen the Summit and get into the window that may be open to attract decent teams into the league. My prediction is that the Summit will just clasp their hands together pray that they don't get poached and if they do UMKC and some other lower rung college will probably come with them. Then everyone will pretend to be happy with the addition(s) while all along the Summit does nothing but go sideways or maybe backwards. It seems to me that the Summit doesn't really care about who is in the league as much as it cares with simply having the basketball tourney in Sioux Falls. Because of that if I am IUPUI of Fort Wayne I am begging for a Horizon invite. They may say all the politically correct things of how much they like the Summit but deep down they want out and the nail in the coffin is the Summit Tourney in Sioux Falls. Their chances of getting to the NCAA tourney with 4 strong Dakota programs plus having home court disadvantage is the turning point for them wanting to leave. My personal opinion is that I would love for Omaha, Fort Wayne and IUPUI to be lucky enough to get other options and leave the Summit. It would lead to upheaval in the League and force the Dakota's to be forced to look at different league options out of necessity. If this were to happen ORU and Denver are also probably gone. I am confident with the direction of the University that USD would land solidly on their feet somewhere and probably in a better situation then they are now other then maybe not having the basketball tourney an hour away every year.
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Post by Yotes on May 9, 2017 16:26:34 GMT -6
We can argue that the MVC is not a better home than the Summit. However, a lesser league than that may be poaching Summit teams. IPFW, IUPUI, UNO and WIU all may be willing to jump at a Horizon invite. I'm not sure that anyone outside the Dakotas views the Summit as a long term home.
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Post by Coyote Fan on May 9, 2017 16:41:40 GMT -6
We can argue that the MVC is not a better home than the Summit. However, a lesser league than that may be poaching Summit teams. IPFW, IUPUI, UNO and WIU all may be willing to jump at a Horizon invite. I'm not sure that anyone outside the Dakotas views the Summit as a long term home. The Summit is in essence only a better league to the Dakota's as the league caters to those schools. If I am all the other schools I see no particular advantage to staying in the league regardless if it's RPI just happens to be a few points higher then a league like the Horizon. That isn't going to matter a whole lot to most colleges. Schools are going to do what is best for them, not what is best for the league they are in and that is why it is so important to be in a league that has schools with like missions and outlooks of their future. Even a school like Omaha with all their past history with the Dakota's is still going to do what is best for them and a Valley invite would have been that and a Horizon invite may be more desirable to them as well. If Omaha is going to look in another direction many of the others will do the same. The Summit needs to do something to cater to their eastern block or that block will eventually no longer exist. Trying to get two of the three between Milwaukee, Green Bay or Eastern Illinois would accomplish that and IMO create a more stable league and a more balanced league. I would much rather have two of the above 3 then UMKC and maybe Chicago State.
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Post by elcoyote on May 9, 2017 17:07:10 GMT -6
I don't see where UMKC is any lesser a school than Ft Wayne or Indianapolis. None of the three really move the needle too much for me. I don't think UNO would ever leave the Summit for the Horizon either.
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Post by Coyote Fan on May 9, 2017 18:36:18 GMT -6
I don't see where UMKC is any lesser a school than Ft Wayne or Indianapolis. None of the three really move the needle too much for me. I don't think UNO would ever leave the Summit for the Horizon either. Exactly correct, none of the 3 move the needle much for me either. At least with Fort Wayne they have proven to be at the very top of the league recently. UMKC hasn't really done much of anything in the league to my recollection. Bottom line is that in 10 years I hope USD is in a league with none of the three in it. It's not that I disrespect the Indiana schools, they are just a lot different then USD in overall mission. Same as UMKC. If it is merely a geography thing then offer Briar Cliff and Dakota State a Summit invite. They do about as much for me as UMKC does. They just don't care about the Roos in Kansas City.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on May 9, 2017 18:57:28 GMT -6
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Leave the Summit and kill Sioux Falls hosting??? Pah leeze...dumbest move EVER for the State College. EVER.
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Post by elcoyote on May 9, 2017 19:23:07 GMT -6
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Leave the Summit and kill Sioux Falls hosting??? Pah leeze...dumbest move EVER for the State College. EVER. What am I missing here? What do the Indiana schools have to do with Sioux Falls hosting? I don't think even the folks in Brookings are stupid enough look past what a great thing the Summit Tourney location has been, is, and will be.
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Post by yotebewithyou on May 9, 2017 22:33:19 GMT -6
We had an IUPUI/WIU women's basketball championship game this year. IUPUI was one blown defensive assignment away from going to the NCAA tourney. I think their SLT Sioux Falls complaints are mostly forum spewings
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Post by Coyote Fan on May 9, 2017 23:19:26 GMT -6
We had an IUPUI/WIU women's basketball championship game this year. IUPUI was one blown defensive assignment away from going to the NCAA tourney. I think their SLT Sioux Falls complaints are mostly forum spewings One example of a team other then the Jacks or Coyotes making the tourney. That does not yet equal any kind of a trend.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on May 10, 2017 5:11:48 GMT -6
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Leave the Summit and kill Sioux Falls hosting??? Pah leeze...dumbest move EVER for the State College. EVER. What am I missing here? What do the Indiana schools have to do with Sioux Falls hosting? I don't think even the folks in Brookings are stupid enough look past what a great thing the Summit Tourney location has been, is, and will be. Sorry. I was in reference to Zimmer's comment that there have been SDSU and NDSU fans clamoring for MVC consideration.
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Post by kiyoat on May 10, 2017 7:31:06 GMT -6
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Post by Yote 53 on May 10, 2017 7:56:25 GMT -6
I don't get the fascination with UNO. Mid-level Summit school yet seems to be getting all the attention when it comes to expansion.
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Post by yotebewithyou on May 10, 2017 9:07:49 GMT -6
I don't get the fascination with UNO. Mid-level Summit school yet seems to be getting all the attention when it comes to expansion. It's because of the Omaha market, even though they are the 3rd most popular team in the market.
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Post by kiyoat on May 10, 2017 9:18:25 GMT -6
I know that the Indiana and Illinois schools aren't a perfect fit with the Dakota schools, but I prefer a "bird in hand" approach rather than thinking we would easily bring in replacement schools. It might not be that easy. If we could poach a couple of Horizon schools now, that might be our best option, and might keep our Eastern front happy. That's a big IF, though.
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