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Post by kiyoat on Apr 18, 2018 10:44:25 GMT -6
What's considered tampering? I mean here we have players who have signed letters of intent at USD, it was our recruiting budget that was spent on these players and now a coach from another school can talk to them and convince them to ask for a release and sign with his school. And please don't tell me that they did this on their own; no one's naïve enough to believe that. To me this is in no way shape or form ethical. I got to thinking today, and I seem to recall Any Williams taking at least one of our commits with her to Nebraska. I don't however remember anyone being upset about the incidents surrounding her move. What changed? This isn't necessarily directed at anyone. Posters here seem more upset about Smith's departure than Amy's and I'm curious as to why. I'll take a stab at it. Things that are different: 1. Amy's accomplishments were greater. She had taken the team to the big dance, and had just won a national tournament title. On top of that, her star player and and a few of her best players were graduating. The timing of her departure made more sense, and it was understandable that programs would be looking at her as a hot name. Smith's departure felt a little more like unfinished business and an opportunistic job-seeking move. 2. Nebraska is her Alma-mater. The hire made sense on those grounds as well. (later we discovered that Nebraska had to up the offer to land her, too. That sits better with me.) 3. The USD class was 5 girls. Riley C-J was, supposedly the jewel of the class, but the sting is less when your class isn't wiped out. 4. Riley C-J Was from Freemont, Nebraska, and a former teammate of their then-star player Jessica Shepard. Hard to fault her for wanting to follow the coach you wanted to your favorite team in your home state with a good friend on roster. 5. Riley C-J wasn't offered a scholarship. She was a walk-on. While there is no proof that Amy DIDN'T contact her or recruit her to Nebraska, I am giving her the benefit of the doubt here. With that having been said, the recent de-commitment and switch to Utah State doesn't anger me that much. Stuff like this happens all the time. Sucks, but that's how it is. The program is bigger than one recruit, and I feel like the team-first culture that Lee has talked about will help with stuff like this in the future.
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Post by usdtator on Apr 18, 2018 11:10:06 GMT -6
I got to thinking today, and I seem to recall Any Williams taking at least one of our commits with her to Nebraska. I don't however remember anyone being upset about the incidents surrounding her move. What changed? This isn't necessarily directed at anyone. Posters here seem more upset about Smith's departure than Amy's and I'm curious as to why. I'll take a stab at it. Things that are different: 1. Amy's accomplishments were greater. She had taken the team to the big dance, and had just won a national tournament title. On top of that, her star player and and a few of her best players were graduating. The timing of her departure made more sense, and it was understandable that programs would be looking at her as a hot name. Smith's departure felt a little more like unfinished business and an opportunistic job-seeking move. 2. Nebraska is her Alma-mater. The hire made sense on those grounds as well. (later we discovered that Nebraska had to up the offer to land her, too. That sits better with me.) 3. The USD class was 5 girls. Riley C-J was, supposedly the jewel of the class, but the sting is less when your class isn't wiped out. 4. Riley C-J Was from Freemont, Nebraska, and a former teammate of their then-star player Jessica Shepard. Hard to fault her for wanting to follow the coach you wanted to your favorite team in your home state with a good friend on roster. 5. Riley C-J wasn't offered a scholarship. She was a walk-on. While there is no proof that Amy DIDN'T contact her or recruit her to Nebraska, I am giving her the benefit of the doubt here. With that having been said, the recent de-commitment and switch to Utah State doesn't anger me that much. Stuff like this happens all the time. Sucks, but that's how it is. The program is bigger than one recruit, and I feel like the team-first culture that Lee has talked about will help with stuff like this in the future. Everything Kiyot said... and... Smith's departure doesn't pass the smell test - the way he left just seemed... WRONG (this is the most PC way for me to say it). The timing of the statement coming out during the women's WNIT game... just wrong. Don't fault him for wanting to better his situation for his family, just think there would've been better opportunities had he stuck it out one more year and finished what he said he was going to do. Was almost as though he couldn't get out of Vermillion fast enough.
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Post by golfingyote on Apr 18, 2018 11:14:18 GMT -6
I know its a business so I have relatively no hard feelings that Craig is after the recruits he signed here. BUT, if you just tripled your salary, wouldn't you reset the level of guys you are trying to bring in to your program? Talent wise we ae probably right with USU as of recent, but seems you would recruit to where you want to be program/conference wise, not where you are. Honestly, maybe I am just bitter because of who is going after Griesel(UNI, SDSU also) and will be going after Fakira. Shows the caliber of class we almost had.
Gotta love the offseason.
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Post by usdcoyote on Apr 18, 2018 11:36:31 GMT -6
Who knows how hard Lee is going after these guys. I've heard the only one of the three he really wanted is Griesel. If that's true, I can see why Utah St fans might not be that excited about their new recruit. As far as Craig leaving, the fact that he left the cupboard fully stocked as opposed to a bunch of players graduating (such as the case with Williams) I think makes it easier to stomach. If coaches desire to move up they need to strike when the iron is hot. The iron is normally hottest right when they complete a turnaround. If he had stayed another year and still didn't get over that hump of getting to the Big Dance then his stock would have started to go down. He tripled his salary and is now a step away from a power 5 job, it's tough to fault him too much for that, as much as it hurts to see him leave. I would assume Lee is trying to get some kind of juco or grad transfer in here for next year. I will be interested to see who that could be. Also looking forward to his staff getting filled out. Maybe he's trying to get Ryan Mors to come in and be the top assistant.
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Post by goaggies on Apr 18, 2018 15:29:58 GMT -6
Couldn't help it...peeked over on the Utah State message board and they were pretty much bashing signing Knight seeing the level of offers he had received other than USD and questioning whether that's the kind of recruit to expect in the future. Also what I found semi fascinating is the fact they were also questioning the hiring of Peterson and Hansen as assistants and wondering why Smith hasn't hired any assistants who are LDS. Different culture out there. Utah State fan here. Couldn't help but laugh at this post. Most people are pumped about this recruit because we really didn't have a back up PG last year. Knight can come in and do that assuming Smith goes and gets a starting point. There was maybe a comment or two (one sarcastic) about the level of player, but 90% of Aggie fans are excited about Knight. Also, nobody questioned the hiring of Peterson and Hanson. That is completely wrong. There was a debate about a coach who was on the previous coaching staff and a beloved Aggie who also played at Utah State. A lot of Aggies wanted him retained because of his ties to the University and he is a great guy. That fractured into does Utah State need a LDS assistant coach to recruit LDS players? Some posters don't know what there talking about (kind of like your board). Most said we do not need an LDS assistant (we haven't had very many in the last 30 years anyways). I don't live in Utah any more and I am not LDS. The culture is different, but not that much. Nobody has been disappointed in Smith or the staff he has brought with him, we are actually high on all of them. I thought the post above was a misrepresentation of what was being said on the Utah State board.
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Post by elcoyote on Apr 18, 2018 15:35:33 GMT -6
Couldn't help it...peeked over on the Utah State message board and they were pretty much bashing signing Knight seeing the level of offers he had received other than USD and questioning whether that's the kind of recruit to expect in the future. Also what I found semi fascinating is the fact they were also questioning the hiring of Peterson and Hansen as assistants and wondering why Smith hasn't hired any assistants who are LDS. Different culture out there. Utah State fan here. Couldn't help but laugh at this post. Most people are pumped about this recruit because we really didn't have a back up PG last year. Knight can come in and do that assuming Smith goes and gets a starting point. There was maybe a comment or two (one sarcastic) about the level of player, but 90% of Aggie fans are excited about Knight. Also, nobody questioned the hiring of Peterson and Hanson. That is completely wrong. There was a debate about a coach who was on the previous coaching staff and a beloved Aggie who also played at Utah State. A lot of Aggies wanted him retained because of his ties to the University and he is a great guy. That fractured into does Utah State need a LDS assistant coach to recruit LDS players? Some posters don't know what there talking about (kind of like your board). Most said we do not need an LDS assistant (we haven't had very many in the last 30 years anyways). I don't live in Utah any more and I am not LDS. The culture is different, but not that much. Nobody has been disappointed in Smith or the staff he has brought with him, we are actually high on all of them. I thought the post above was a misrepresentation of what was being said on the Utah State board. I'm throwing the BS flag on this one, buddy. I know what I read so your attempt to soft sell it is a load of crap. Deny this: one of your posters cautioned the rest of the board about the tone and how it would look if outsiders came and read this board concerning lack of LDS hiring. I chuckled when I read that. Thank you for your concern though and taking the time to register on our board and inform us of the errors of our ways. Seems to be a lot of that going on here lately.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 20, 2018 7:00:03 GMT -6
Not a commit, but I cant find the recruiting thread, so...
Time for positive posts in this thread....
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 20, 2018 7:06:20 GMT -6
Highlights from Nero's High School: (#10)
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 20, 2018 7:11:31 GMT -6
And some Nero highlights from his Nike Eybl team:
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 20, 2018 7:13:10 GMT -6
Here's an interview with Caleb after the state championship:
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Post by sdyotefan on Apr 20, 2018 8:19:31 GMT -6
Nero is fun to watch! Great soft touch, elevation and vision for assists! Also has very good body control!
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Post by usdtator on Apr 20, 2018 8:20:12 GMT -6
This kid looks amazing. How is it he hasn't been picked up anyone prior to now?
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Post by usdtator on Apr 20, 2018 8:39:55 GMT -6
Looks like he originally committed to Wisconsin-Milwaukee... Was very interested in their Business School. Bodes well for us that we have a top tier Business School. Haven't figured out yet why he decommitted.
Edit: Found it... decommitted when his coach left for another school.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 20, 2018 9:03:16 GMT -6
Looks like he originally committed to Wisconsin-Milwaukee... Was very interested in their Business School. Bodes well for us that we have a top tier Business School. Haven't figured out yet why he decommitted. Edit: Found it... decommitted when his coach left for another school. Looks like he has offers from Weber State and Bradley as well, in that order. If the business school is important to him, I wonder how those schools stack up? Bradley has an advantage in conference affiliation (and Tourney payout), but has been in the lower half of the standings in the MVC in recent years. Weber State has an established 12-year coach that has been very good in the Big Sky, winning it 5-of-12 years.
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Post by stevenyote on Apr 20, 2018 11:46:04 GMT -6
This would be a huge get
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