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UCLA
Dec 19, 2017 22:36:05 GMT -6
Post by Yotes on Dec 19, 2017 22:36:05 GMT -6
Smith says that the officials declared the ball had been deflected.
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UCLA
Dec 19, 2017 22:37:25 GMT -6
Post by gopheryote on Dec 19, 2017 22:37:25 GMT -6
I am not able to watch this but does anyone know if the tip was ruled by the player that was guarding the inbounds pass or if the tip happened just before it got to Armstrong. If it happened just before it got to Armstrong than I don't believe the Coyotes got a fair shake. If it happened right out of the inbounder's hands than the right conclusion would have been made. Walsh (the guy guarding the inbounds pass) didn't actually touch it. He was almost a half second slow to it, which is why the side camera angle looked like he did touch it, but the ball was already past him. The overhead angle showed he was 6 inches away, and it would have had to hit is forearm, not hands, and would have bounced out of bounds.
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UCLA
Dec 19, 2017 22:39:13 GMT -6
Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 19, 2017 22:39:13 GMT -6
Does anyone know which team was said to have deflected the ball and at what point of the trajectory of the pass did the tip happen. Did it happen right before it got to Armstrong or did some time go by between the time of the tip and when it reached Armstrong's hands. That is crucial in how the ruling should have gone.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 19, 2017 22:43:38 GMT -6
I am not able to watch this but does anyone know if the tip was ruled by the player that was guarding the inbounds pass or if the tip happened just before it got to Armstrong. If it happened just before it got to Armstrong than I don't believe the Coyotes got a fair shake. If it happened right out of the inbounder's hands than the right conclusion would have been made. Walsh (the guy guarding the inbounds pass) didn't actually touch it. He was almost a half second slow to it, which is why the side camera angle looked like he did touch it, but the ball was already past him. The overhead angle showed he was 6 inches away, and it would have had to hit is forearm, not hands, and would have bounced out of bounds. I don't get why they only showed that angle once on TV. It showed pretty clearly that the ball wasn't deflected. I'll say again though, if the clock operator does their job correctly we still lose the game. Armstrong was retreating away from the basket to get the ball and would have had to make a 40 foot fadeaway. If the officials do their job correctly in that circus we get another shot but we didn't deserve one. The missed travel was far more damning. Would have been ball under the basket with a chance to tie/win. Instead it played directly into the circus.
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UCLA
Dec 19, 2017 22:45:12 GMT -6
Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 19, 2017 22:45:12 GMT -6
I am not able to watch this but does anyone know if the tip was ruled by the player that was guarding the inbounds pass or if the tip happened just before it got to Armstrong. If it happened just before it got to Armstrong than I don't believe the Coyotes got a fair shake. If it happened right out of the inbounder's hands than the right conclusion would have been made. Walsh (the guy guarding the inbounds pass) didn't actually touch it. He was almost a half second slow to it, which is why the side camera angle looked like he did touch it, but the ball was already past him. The overhead angle showed he was 6 inches away, and it would have had to hit is forearm, not hands, and would have bounced out of bounds. So I am assuming that the officials ruled that the ball deflected off Walsh. If that is the ruling than it was correct assuming the ball did in fact hit him. We don't know what angles the officials had when they were reviewing the replay. Maybe they had an angle that the viewers didn't see. Who knows. I am not saying they got this right, but at least they took the time to make their ruling. It seems like it may have been a screw job but I am not going to lose sleep over something I don't know or didn't see.
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UCLA
Dec 19, 2017 22:46:52 GMT -6
Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 19, 2017 22:46:52 GMT -6
Walsh (the guy guarding the inbounds pass) didn't actually touch it. He was almost a half second slow to it, which is why the side camera angle looked like he did touch it, but the ball was already past him. The overhead angle showed he was 6 inches away, and it would have had to hit is forearm, not hands, and would have bounced out of bounds. I don't get why they only showed that angle once on TV. It showed pretty clearly that the ball wasn't deflected. I'll say again though, if the clock operator does their job correctly we still lose the game. Armstrong was retreating away from the basket to get the ball and would have had to make a 40 foot fadeaway. If the officials do their job correctly in that circus we get another shot but we didn't deserve one. The missed travel was far more damning. Would have been ball under the basket with a chance to tie/win. Instead it played directly into the circus. Thank you for clearing that up. I figured Armstrong would have had a good shot had the clock not run out. It appears he was never going to make the shot anyway.
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UCLA
Dec 19, 2017 22:49:54 GMT -6
Post by coyotecrazie5 on Dec 19, 2017 22:49:54 GMT -6
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Post by Yotes on Dec 19, 2017 22:57:27 GMT -6
I still just can't believe this even was in question in the final seconds. Down 78-54 with 4:45 left. No Mooney or Hagedoorn. Still had a chance to tie at the end but fall 85-82. The team had play to near perfection to get back into this, and they did it with Armstrong and Peterson leading the way. Team scored on 12 of final 16 possessions and made all 7 free throws, and only gave up 7 points (all free throws while playing incredibly aggressive defense).
Armstrong and Peterson had a couple of bad shots back-to-back in that stretch, but were on fire otherwise. I want to see more of these guys. They finally had a chance to really open up and they made the most of it.
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UCLA
Dec 19, 2017 23:00:54 GMT -6
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Post by Iceman on Dec 19, 2017 23:00:54 GMT -6
Well what a bunch of happy horseshit!
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Post by usdtator on Dec 20, 2017 10:39:21 GMT -6
Does Coach Smith usually bench players after they draw a tech foul (ie Mooney)? I have never paid attention to this before if he had done it in the past.
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UCLA
Dec 20, 2017 12:12:46 GMT -6
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Post by Yotes on Dec 20, 2017 12:12:46 GMT -6
Does Coach Smith usually bench players after they draw a tech foul (ie Mooney)? I have never paid attention to this before if he had done it in the past. I can't remember previous technicals to say, but guarantee that Mooney doesn't let this happen again.
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UCLA
Dec 20, 2017 12:28:02 GMT -6
Post by gopheryote on Dec 20, 2017 12:28:02 GMT -6
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Post by Yotes on Dec 20, 2017 13:09:19 GMT -6
That's the angle they only showed once on the broadcast, but gave us the inconclusive one 50 times where Lavin implied that the ball hits his pinky. Why didn't you show them this angle Steve? I can't believe an officiating crew let a commentator insert himself into this game. I somehow think even less of Pac 12 refs now.
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Post by yotebewithyou on Dec 20, 2017 15:08:15 GMT -6
No way in hell he tipped it. That video needs to be sent to the PAC-12. What a disgrace.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 20, 2017 15:49:22 GMT -6
The officials botched it, no doubt. But I still am not bothered by us losing that way. If the clock operator does their job then this whole fiasco is averted and we lose in a conventional manner.
We should have been awarded another inbound. I'm not upset we didn't though because we saw how the first one was going to go. If Armstrong drains that 40 foot fadeaway then I'd be upset.
In the end I'm just embarrassed for the Pac 12.
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