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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 16, 2017 14:49:31 GMT -6
Coyote Glory you are right on. That was some pretty bad basketball that first half. There is no way that Tulsa should be leading this game. The Coyote offense looks very out of sync which has seemed to be a theme all year. The movement without the ball is not good. The passing is not good. Where is Jaycee Bradley this year. It seems like she has taken a step back. She is, or should I say was one of the best three point shooters last year. Why are the Coyotes not looking to free her up for some good looks from outside. I used to always see her take open threes and that almost never happens anymore. It is not all just simply the defense. The Coyotes are not working hard to get good shots. Allison is in ISO alot but honestly that isn't that bad of a thing because she does well getting to the rim and drawing fouls. The whole atmosphere was flat for most of the half. I know people hate when I talk about attendance but it would be generous to say that there is 500 there today. Frederick simply needs to stop shooting. Many of her shots are not even close. Tulsa is no better than a mid level Summit team. Other then Duffy and McKeever I worry that our sophomore and freshman classes are for the most part weak. There is not one freshman that I have been impressed with so far. Your estimate is off. Halftime and I counted 294 in their seats on the Cortrust Club side. Club room was full and better seating density on my side. Concourse was busy while I was counting. Forgive me as the Corr Trust side is not shown on TV. That was a great crowd. Never should I question it again. From what I and everyone else that was watching saw on TV was an embarrassment. It looked to me where the regular people sit it looked like there were about 100 people or so sitting in the middle three sections. I guess maybe we do deserve to be in a conference with UMKC.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 16, 2017 14:57:43 GMT -6
The was the worst home loss by any Coyote women's team that I can remember in a long time. I actually can't remember at all a loss that bad at home. There is no other way to rationalize it because that was beyond a bad performance. It is soul searching time because things are not working. I have been very positive on Dawn but she needs to take a look at what is going on because that offensive performance was not good at all. The team looks lost out there and that is on her. Dawn doesn't trust Bradley in an end of game situation. She apparently really trusts Lamb a lot. I don't see it but I am not the coach. Liveringhouse has seen her minutes really limited. She was really on her game to start the year so I don't know what happened there.
Either something really changes or we are seeing a team that is sinking at least as low as the Oral Roberts and Omaha level of the Summit.
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Post by sdyotefan on Dec 16, 2017 15:02:35 GMT -6
We missed way too many layups and ball movement and movement without ball was slow. Give Tulsa credit they defended the perimeter well and really hustled the whole game. We missed more FTs than normal. Our D didn't close out their 3s often enough so when you add that all up a close loss is going to happen. Will be a great wakeup call! Even at home must have an intense effort all 4 Qs against every team!! Go Yotes!!!
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Post by coyoteglory on Dec 16, 2017 15:12:49 GMT -6
We missed way too many layups and ball movement and movement without ball was slow. Give Tulsa credit they defended the perimeter well and really hustled the whole game. We missed more FTs than normal. Our D didn't close out their 3s often enough so when you add that all up a close loss is going to happen. Will be a great wakeup call! Even at home must have an intense effort all 4 Qs against every team!! Go Yotes!!! I think sdyotefan is right about this. Tulsa did play a good game. They made lots of open 3's, so we have to give them credit. And we missed lots of layups. But I also think Coyote Fan's post is right. Our offense looks terrible. As good as Mckeever is, we won't be able to compete with the best of the summit league with her taking 15 shots a game. Like I said earlier, I would like to see us give the ball to Arens less in the open court and more in set plays. She struggles to pass and move the ball with her head down, and in general, she was better last year when she played off the ball more. Hopefully Dawn will figure that out by looking at the video. I'm also with Coyote Fan in that Bradley must be in the game at the end. She's too good of a shooter not to play at the end of the game.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 16, 2017 15:28:14 GMT -6
Lets get one thing straight about this game. The reason Tulsa won is not because of what they did right. I will not discredit them but the reason Tulsa won was about 90% on what the Coyotes didn't do. Hopefully this was just one isolated bad performance but for that to be there is much work that needs to be done and maybe strategically Dawn might want to consider changing things up a bit. I know she likes all of her players to be multi-demensional but some things in basketball just work better when they are done a certain way. Players like Frederick (especially) and Liveringhouse are better down low and not hanging around at the top of the 3 point circle. Players like Bradley and McKeever are better up high. We definitely need to be better at the big spots and the New Mexico transfer will help a lot next year. The Coyotes need to focus on the high low game get the ball into the players like Liveringhouse and let her kick it out to Bradley or Arens for a good three look. This type of offense seems to be going away and without good off the ball movement and good ball movement the multi-demensional look will struggle. This team needs to work on passing the basketball. This entire team would work so much better if they quick passed the ball and just waited for someone good like Bradley, Arens or Duffy to get open from the arc. Western Illinois is alot like this when I watched them. They have quick ball movement and it opens up the three. With Allison if teams cheat too much to the outside she could be killer driving to the hoop.
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Post by yotefan90 on Dec 16, 2017 15:41:47 GMT -6
Your estimate is off. Halftime and I counted 294 in their seats on the Cortrust Club side. Club room was full and better seating density on my side. Concourse was busy while I was counting. Forgive me as the Corr Trust side is not shown on TV. That was a great crowd. Never should I question it again. From what I and everyone else that was watching saw on TV was an embarrassment. It looked to me where the regular people sit it looked like there were about 100 people or so sitting in the middle three sections. I guess maybe we do deserve to be in a conference with UMKC. Could it be better? Absolutely. But it isn't any better when you make it out to be worse than it is.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 16, 2017 22:07:36 GMT -6
Well people that watched it on TV would have thought the attendance would have been about 200 so 500 to me seemed to be an over exaggeration. I think the people that are behind the Corr Trust non interest window during the game care about socializing first and foremost and the game is of second importance. Might as well be in a bar and let the people that actually care about the game have the better seats. If I was on that side I would be plastered to my seat in the open air not behind some glass not really caring what goes on in the game all that much.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 16, 2017 22:17:30 GMT -6
www.goyotes.com/On the main athletic page they show a good picture of the main section where the regular people sit that generally care about the game. There were less than 100 total people in the middle section which is the best section to watch a game from IMO. There were at the most 300 people in the middle three sections but 200 would not surprise me. The announced attendance was 1700 which is a total joke. There were half as many people there if that. I have a hard time believing that if there were 300 people on the one side that there were many more on the corr trust side of the court. I guess according to the attendance there must have been about 1400 people on that side of the court. I have a piece of land I want to sell. It bothers me how much they fudge those numbers.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 16, 2017 23:11:06 GMT -6
www.goyotes.com/On the main athletic page they show a good picture of the main section where the regular people sit that generally care about the game. There were less than 100 total people in the middle section which is the best section to watch a game from IMO. There were at the most 300 people in the middle three sections but 200 would not surprise me. The announced attendance was 1700 which is a total joke. There were half as many people there if that. I have a hard time believing that if there were 300 people on the one side that there were many more on the corr trust side of the court. I guess according to the attendance there must have been about 1400 people on that side of the court. I have a piece of land I want to sell. It bothers me how much they fudge those numbers. You do realize that official counts are typically "sold" tickets rather than gate, right? Since the men and women's basketball season tickets are combined, there are probably a good number of season ticket holders that don't go to every game. It is what it is, but don't make false accusations about the athletic department fudging numbers. Besides, you weren't at the game, so how is it that you are the biggest critic of attendance?
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Post by elcoyote on Dec 16, 2017 23:48:59 GMT -6
Well people that watched it on TV would have thought the attendance would have been about 200 so 500 to me seemed to be an over exaggeration. I think the people that are behind the Corr Trust non interest window during the game care about socializing first and foremost and the game is of second importance. Might as well be in a bar and let the people that actually care about the game have the better seats. If I was on that side I would be plastered to my seat in the open air not behind some glass not really caring what goes on in the game all that much. You do realize that these fans who don't care as much as you, donate a lot of time and money to keep the athletic department functioning and able to have the facilities and programs that we have. A lot has been accomplished over the past several years, the arrow is pointing up in virtually everything, and these are the people to thank for that. You, who by your own admission contributes nothing, have the audacity to bash these people? That takes some chutzpah.
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Post by Iceman on Dec 17, 2017 1:24:29 GMT -6
Well people that watched it on TV would have thought the attendance would have been about 200 so 500 to me seemed to be an over exaggeration. I think the people that are behind the Corr Trust non interest window during the game care about socializing first and foremost and the game is of second importance. Might as well be in a bar and let the people that actually care about the game have the better seats. If I was on that side I would be plastered to my seat in the open air not behind some glass not really caring what goes on in the game all that much. Holy sh!t! Move on from the attendance thing. You’ve been bitching about it full time since the first home football game. Get over it and move on. Maybe you should have come to the game. Could have added 1 more to that 1700. Come up with something new to bitch about. Maybe you should ask if you can be the official counter for attendance along with your athletic director job.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 17, 2017 1:34:10 GMT -6
I respect that posters want to refute the misinformation that CF posts, but we are all better off if we just ignore the tripe. Go to your profile settings and add him to your ignore list. Makes browsing the board much more enjoyable.
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Post by larobe on Dec 17, 2017 2:21:17 GMT -6
Coyote Glory you are right on. That was some pretty bad basketball that first half. There is no way that Tulsa should be leading this game. The Coyote offense looks very out of sync which has seemed to be a theme all year. The movement without the ball is not good. The passing is not good. Where is Jaycee Bradley this year. It seems like she has taken a step back. She is, or should I say was one of the best three point shooters last year. Why are the Coyotes not looking to free her up for some good looks from outside. I used to always see her take open threes and that almost never happens anymore. It is not all just simply the defense. The Coyotes are not working hard to get good shots. Allison is in ISO alot but honestly that isn't that bad of a thing because she does well getting to the rim and drawing fouls. The whole atmosphere was flat for most of the half. I know people hate when I talk about attendance but it would be generous to say that there is 500 there today. Frederick simply needs to stop shooting. Many of her shots are not even close. Tulsa is no better than a mid level Summit team. Other then Duffy and McKeever I worry that our sophomore and freshman classes are for the most part weak. There is not one freshman that I have been impressed with so far. I was very surprised that the Yotes lost to this team, so much so, I had to look up their schedule, ORU beat them earlier this season as well as Alaska Anchorage (div II), their best win previously was probably University of Arkansas , Little Rock, a pretty good team. They must play hot or cold. USD seems to be that way too (shooting wise), and with our last loss to Creighton (you guys handled them ok and got a good win), we (sdsu) , are not as consistent as I hoped we'd be either, but being 8-3 it's kind of hard to complain about I guess. Strange season so far this year. Hope you figure it out, as well as us, a strong Summit OOC season benefits all of us in the conference.
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Post by easmus on Dec 17, 2017 10:02:40 GMT -6
I cannot stand the offense this team runs. I think Dawn needs a tip from Craig; love the rim, like the 3. Your jumpers aren’t going to drop every game. You have to be able to do something other than crank 3’s all game.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 17, 2017 14:52:29 GMT -6
I cannot stand the offense this team runs. I think Dawn needs a tip from Craig; love the rim, like the 3. Your jumpers aren’t going to drop every game. You have to be able to do something other than crank 3’s all game. I actually don't have a problem with a team shooting many three pointers as Golden State has proven in the NBA (with a longer shot) if you shoot them at a high percentage that you can win that way. A wide open three to me is as high percentage shot as a tough runner in the lane. You don't need to shoot a three at as high of a percentage knowing it is one-third more valuable than a two. My problem is that it seems like the Coyotes are not setting up their threes properly. I noticed during the game that the Coyotes threes were often times off balanced, not squared up or whatever. They were basically rushed. If they would take the time to pass the ball around and setup the shot where the shooter had a second or two to setup the shot it is going to be much more effective. The offense does seem to be a jumbled mess right now and I completely agree that the style of offense is not working and when they start playing the likes of SDSU, WIU and even Omaha and ORU the results may not get any better. In the game of football with an 11 game season I don't think a loss is hardly ever a good thing and mainly because for every win means a better chance at a higher playoff positioning. During this game at the end I was actually kind of hoping that Tulsa would pull it out and that has nothing whatsoever to suggest I am not pulling for the Coyotes. It would have been easier to sweep this performance under the rug if they had pulled it out. Because this ended up in a loss it makes the urgency to improve more than if the game ended up being a close win. It might make Dawn re-evaluate things to a greater extent. The Coyotes are not getting an at-large bid to the NCAA tourney so this loss can actually do more good than a close win perhaps would have especially since it is a non Summit game that doesn't effect the Summit Tourney seeding.
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