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Post by teamsd on Apr 4, 2018 16:44:01 GMT -6
If Mooney leaves, it would be unreasonable to blame the new coach, regardless of who he is. If he can keep him, he deserves all of the credit in the world, but it is absurd to put any blame on him. That falls, first and foremost, on Coach Smith. Fair or not. I don’t blame Smith for leaving. I won’t blame Matt, either.
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Post by teamsd on Apr 4, 2018 16:44:27 GMT -6
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Apr 4, 2018 16:48:23 GMT -6
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 4, 2018 16:49:29 GMT -6
I will start out by saying that I will try to be as fair as I can and would hope others would take the same stance whether a particular person is pro Lee or not pro Lee as of yet. I will give Todd Lee my support and I will give him some rope but honestly the rope will not be real long if things don't go well. I am a natural skeptic and with Lee that certainly is no different.
Craig Smith left this program in very good shape and especially from a player personnel aspect. There is really no reason or excuse that Lee should not be able to succeed pretty much right off the bat. Good coaches know how to get the players around them to succeed. As far as I am concerned I do think Lee has to have at least some blame or credit for what happens to Mooney. If he can't convince one of our current players to stay on board why would he be able to convince players that have nothing to do with USD to come either. Of course he doesn't deserve a ton of blame or credit but if Mooney still leaves that is not going to leave me feeling very warm. We will see what happens with the other recruits.
Lee has had a ton of experience but I am not sure that experience lends me to believe that he is the upside coach that we would want. He coached at Kentucky Wesleyan and did a decent job there but that is a place where most coaches should probably do fairly well so I am not going to use that gig as a major good point or bad point. Using excuses why a coach didn't do so well such as a program on probation or having nothing to work with when he started isn't something that proves he is a good coach but what that does is show at best is that he is an unproven coach. If a coach is in a difficult situation and had mediocre results that shouldn't necessarily be considered a good thing.
My biggest issue with him is his career path. If he was such a good coach why would he have spent the last 5 years as an assistant at a college transitioning to D1 as in Grand Canyon. For me he seems like a career journeyman. It doesn't seem like he is much of a hot name either and I wonder how many other D1 programs have seriously considered him for an opening.
Of course now is the time we get to hear all the fluff. He is a great guy, a hard worker, a great person to work with yada, yada, yada. Those are things that are going to be said about anyone just hired for a job. This hire to me smells like a Dave Williams used to know him and had a biased towards him and possibly used that past relationship as a reason to hire him over other candidates that have better resumes and upside. I am assuming Lee is about 55 and I have a hard time seeing the upside in this hire and have a hard time believing that he is going to be able to do everything it takes to be the head man in recruiting, player development and strategical coaching to be able to unseat the Jacks as the king of the Summit. I am not going to pretend to know everything as I don't have the info that anyone has that makes the hires but objectively I just have a hard time with this.
It seems like when his name was first mentioned that everyone was kind of skeptical but as soon as he was announced the tone changed very quickly. I look at this like the parents that have a child with a developmental disability. If you ask them "would you ever trade him for a child with normal capabilities". You will get "no way" every time but if that choice was made prior to the child being born no one is going to choose the disability over no disability. It always seems to come down to what people know and are used to. Now that Lee is official people will tend to rationalize towards the positive even if their initial thoughts or feelings weren't very positive.
I have yet to really hear many outside opinions yet but non biased outsiders often times tend to be right on whether this was a good or bad hire. As I said in the beginning I will give Lee a chance but my first impression is not a very good one on the tangibles of the hire.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 4, 2018 16:53:20 GMT -6
There are many Timber Wolves fans that are not very happy at all with Thibodeau so I am not sure if we should make that comparison.
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Post by wintheday on Apr 4, 2018 16:55:52 GMT -6
I will start out by saying that I will try to be as fair as I can and would hope others would take the same stance whether a particular person is pro Lee or not pro Lee as of yet. I will give Todd Lee my support and I will give him some rope but honestly the rope will not be real long if things don't go well. I am a natural skeptic and with Lee that certainly is no different. Craig Smith left this program in very good shape and especially from a player personnel aspect. There is really no reason or excuse that Lee should not be able to succeed pretty much right off the bat. Good coaches know how to get the players around them to succeed. As far as I am concerned I do think Lee has to have at least some blame or credit for what happens to Mooney. If he can't see one of our current players to stay on board why would he be able to convince players that have nothing to do with USD to come either. Of course he doesn't deserve a ton of blame or credit but if Mooney still leaves that is not going to leave me feeling very warm. We will see what happens with the other recruits. Lee has had a ton of experience but I am not sure that experience lends me to believe that he is the upside coach that we would want. He coached at Kentucky Wesleyan and did a decent job there but that is a place where most coaches should probably do fairly well so I am not going to use that gig as a major good point or bad point. Using excuses why a coach didn't do so well such as a program on probation or having nothing to work with when he started isn't something that proves he is a good coach but what that does is show at best is that he is an unproven coach. If a coach is in a difficult situation and had mediocre results that shouldn't necessarily be considered a good thing. My biggest issue with him is his career path. If he was such a good coach why would he have spent the last 5 years as an assistant at a college transitioning to D1 as in Grand Canyon. For me he seems like a career journeyman. It doesn't seem like he is much of a hot name either and I wonder how many other D1 programs have seriously considered him for an opening. Of course now is the time we get to hear all the fluff. He is a great guy, a hard worker, a great person to work with yada, yada, yada. Those are things that are going to be said about anyone just hired for a job. This hire to me smells like a Dave Williams used to know him and had a biased towards him and possibly used that past relationship as a reason to hire him over other candidates that have better resumes and upside. I am assuming Lee is about 55 and I have a hard time seeing the upside in this hire and have a hard time believing that he is going to be able to do everything it takes to be the head man in recruiting, player development and strategical coaching to be able to unseat the Jacks as the king of the Summit. I am not going to pretend to know everything as I don't have the info that anyone has that makes the hires but objectively I just have a hard time with this. It seems like when his name was first mentioned that everyone was kind of skeptical but as soon as he was announced the tone changed very quickly. I look at this like the parents that have a child with a developmental disability. If you ask them "would you ever trade him for a child with normal capabilities". You will get "no way" every time but if that choice was made prior to the child being born no one is going to choose the disability over no disability. It always seems to come down to what people know and are used to. Now that Lee is official people will tend to rationalize towards the positive even if their initial thoughts or feelings weren't very positive. I have yet to really hear many outside opinions yet but non biased outsiders often times tend to be right on whether this was a good or bad hire. As I said in the beginning I will give Lee a chance but my first impression is not a very good one on the tangibles of the hire. Did you just compare a basketball hire to a child with a disability? Even for you that's low.
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Post by flashtaco on Apr 4, 2018 17:02:50 GMT -6
I will start out by saying that I will try to be as fair as I can and would hope others would take the same stance whether a particular person is pro Lee or not pro Lee as of yet. I will give Todd Lee my support and I will give him some rope but honestly the rope will not be real long if things don't go well. I am a natural skeptic and with Lee that certainly is no different. Craig Smith left this program in very good shape and especially from a player personnel aspect. There is really no reason or excuse that Lee should not be able to succeed pretty much right off the bat. Good coaches know how to get the players around them to succeed. As far as I am concerned I do think Lee has to have at least some blame or credit for what happens to Mooney. If he can't convince one of our current players to stay on board why would he be able to convince players that have nothing to do with USD to come either. Of course he doesn't deserve a ton of blame or credit but if Mooney still leaves that is not going to leave me feeling very warm. We will see what happens with the other recruits. Lee has had a ton of experience but I am not sure that experience lends me to believe that he is the upside coach that we would want. He coached at Kentucky Wesleyan and did a decent job there but that is a place where most coaches should probably do fairly well so I am not going to use that gig as a major good point or bad point. Using excuses why a coach didn't do so well such as a program on probation or having nothing to work with when he started isn't something that proves he is a good coach but what that does is show at best is that he is an unproven coach. If a coach is in a difficult situation and had mediocre results that shouldn't necessarily be considered a good thing. My biggest issue with him is his career path. If he was such a good coach why would he have spent the last 5 years as an assistant at a college transitioning to D1 as in Grand Canyon. For me he seems like a career journeyman. It doesn't seem like he is much of a hot name either and I wonder how many other D1 programs have seriously considered him for an opening. Of course now is the time we get to hear all the fluff. He is a great guy, a hard worker, a great person to work with yada, yada, yada. Those are things that are going to be said about anyone just hired for a job. This hire to me smells like a Dave Williams used to know him and had a biased towards him and possibly used that past relationship as a reason to hire him over other candidates that have better resumes and upside. I am assuming Lee is about 55 and I have a hard time seeing the upside in this hire and have a hard time believing that he is going to be able to do everything it takes to be the head man in recruiting, player development and strategical coaching to be able to unseat the Jacks as the king of the Summit. I am not going to pretend to know everything as I don't have the info that anyone has that makes the hires but objectively I just have a hard time with this. It seems like when his name was first mentioned that everyone was kind of skeptical but as soon as he was announced the tone changed very quickly. I look at this like the parents that have a child with a developmental disability. If you ask them "would you ever trade him for a child with normal capabilities". You will get "no way" every time but if that choice was made prior to the child being born no one is going to choose the disability over no disability. It always seems to come down to what people know and are used to. Now that Lee is official people will tend to rationalize towards the positive even if their initial thoughts or feelings weren't very positive. I have yet to really hear many outside opinions yet but non biased outsiders often times tend to be right on whether this was a good or bad hire. As I said in the beginning I will give Lee a chance but my first impression is not a very good one on the tangibles of the hire. I quite coming to this board because of your mindless drivel. This post reminds me why I won’t be back for another 6 months. Please take the misery of your life to another forum.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 4, 2018 17:04:38 GMT -6
Reminder: This board has an ignore function to help protect you from nonsensical posters....errr....poster.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 4, 2018 17:14:36 GMT -6
Reading those tweets from Hoeck, it sounds like these respected coaches are reaching out to him unprovoked to give glowing praise. We can, and will, pore over his coaching history but it is very encouraging to me to see respected coaches eager to heap praise on Lee.
On paper this seems like a good hire. I was hoping for another homerun hire, like we got with Smith, Plitzuweit, and Nielson where from Day 1 I was downright giddy, but I am by no means protesting this hire. Every single step of Lee's career has been defined by success, and he is even a Yote from SD. I can definitely be sold on why Lee is a great hire and fit for this program. I'm excited to see where he takes us.
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Post by usdtator on Apr 4, 2018 18:20:45 GMT -6
I hope he still feels the intense hatred for that school up north that he had as a student... and uses it to motivate his players to feel that same searing abhorrence for the bunnies.
#onlyaformeryotewouldunderstand
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Apr 4, 2018 18:37:37 GMT -6
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 4, 2018 18:49:18 GMT -6
I will start out by saying that I will try to be as fair as I can and would hope others would take the same stance whether a particular person is pro Lee or not pro Lee as of yet. I will give Todd Lee my support and I will give him some rope but honestly the rope will not be real long if things don't go well. I am a natural skeptic and with Lee that certainly is no different. Craig Smith left this program in very good shape and especially from a player personnel aspect. There is really no reason or excuse that Lee should not be able to succeed pretty much right off the bat. Good coaches know how to get the players around them to succeed. As far as I am concerned I do think Lee has to have at least some blame or credit for what happens to Mooney. If he can't convince one of our current players to stay on board why would he be able to convince players that have nothing to do with USD to come either. Of course he doesn't deserve a ton of blame or credit but if Mooney still leaves that is not going to leave me feeling very warm. We will see what happens with the other recruits. Lee has had a ton of experience but I am not sure that experience lends me to believe that he is the upside coach that we would want. He coached at Kentucky Wesleyan and did a decent job there but that is a place where most coaches should probably do fairly well so I am not going to use that gig as a major good point or bad point. Using excuses why a coach didn't do so well such as a program on probation or having nothing to work with when he started isn't something that proves he is a good coach but what that does is show at best is that he is an unproven coach. If a coach is in a difficult situation and had mediocre results that shouldn't necessarily be considered a good thing. My biggest issue with him is his career path. If he was such a good coach why would he have spent the last 5 years as an assistant at a college transitioning to D1 as in Grand Canyon. For me he seems like a career journeyman. It doesn't seem like he is much of a hot name either and I wonder how many other D1 programs have seriously considered him for an opening. Of course now is the time we get to hear all the fluff. He is a great guy, a hard worker, a great person to work with yada, yada, yada. Those are things that are going to be said about anyone just hired for a job. This hire to me smells like a Dave Williams used to know him and had a biased towards him and possibly used that past relationship as a reason to hire him over other candidates that have better resumes and upside. I am assuming Lee is about 55 and I have a hard time seeing the upside in this hire and have a hard time believing that he is going to be able to do everything it takes to be the head man in recruiting, player development and strategical coaching to be able to unseat the Jacks as the king of the Summit. I am not going to pretend to know everything as I don't have the info that anyone has that makes the hires but objectively I just have a hard time with this. It seems like when his name was first mentioned that everyone was kind of skeptical but as soon as he was announced the tone changed very quickly. I look at this like the parents that have a child with a developmental disability. If you ask them "would you ever trade him for a child with normal capabilities". You will get "no way" every time but if that choice was made prior to the child being born no one is going to choose the disability over no disability. It always seems to come down to what people know and are used to. Now that Lee is official people will tend to rationalize towards the positive even if their initial thoughts or feelings weren't very positive.I have yet to really hear many outside opinions yet but non biased outsiders often times tend to be right on whether this was a good or bad hire. As I said in the beginning I will give Lee a chance but my first impression is not a very good one on the tangibles of the hire. Did you really just type this? This is out of bounds and just in poor taste. You're going to take a couple of days off from posting here so you can think about this for a while. Take the time to do some introspection, seriously.
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Post by sdyotefan on Apr 4, 2018 19:08:17 GMT -6
A special welcome to Coach Lee!! We all wish you the very best and will support Coyote basketball as much as possible--attending games, special events, donating time & money, etc. GO YOTES!!!
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Post by coyote70 on Apr 4, 2018 19:12:02 GMT -6
Not to disagree with your comments, but to add to them, I think one of the most important attributes a coach can lend to a team is emotional development on the part of the players. In simplistic terms we're talking about transforming kids into adults. Yes, emotions are a big part of the game but too much emotion often translates into uneven performance.
In situations where a person is being considered for a coaching hire, it is difficult to determine how a candidate handles intangibles such as this. Instead we head toward wins vs losses and other factors which are more easily tracked. How our new coach will perform in regard to the mental aspect of the game I have no idea. I just think it's an important factor and assume he has the personality to effectively lead.
I think John Wooden - and I'm sure there are many others - always cautioned his players to approach each game in a flexible, business-like manner. Of course, he was getting cream of the crop players but those who succeeded at the next level were the players who followed his approach to the game.
Lastly, if a player leaves this team solely because of the change in coaches, well and good! A tiny part of me, though, says provocatively that maybe they were a bit too emotional or inflexible.
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Post by gopheryote on Apr 4, 2018 19:24:26 GMT -6
The more I read about Coach Lee, the happier I am he is the guy. (I admit I didn't know anything about him 10 days ago.) Much closer profile to Bob N and Dawn P than Amy W or Craig S, and I personally like that trend.
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