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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 18, 2018 19:23:32 GMT -6
You can ask them to play hard and go 100%, just call appropriate running plays, dive, power, sweep. Keep the click running and take your time out of the huddle.
You know what else can happen? The coaches can agree to run a shortened 4th quarter. I believe Georgia did that this year with a game that wasn't near this out of hand.
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 18, 2018 19:37:02 GMT -6
You can ask them to play hard and go 100%, just call appropriate running plays, dive, power, sweep. Keep the click running and take your time out of the huddle. You know what else can happen? The coaches can agree to run a shortened 4th quarter. I believe Georgia did that this year with a game that wasn't near this out of hand. Listen, I’m not a fan of Stig myself. Kiyoat said he sounded remorseful and all I said was I agreed. I wished I hadn’t said it because of the $hit storm it caused. Three things. First, if the plays are called from the sideline the players are expected to run them. So in this case you all are right. They shouldn’t have been called. But someone called them so the players are asked to execute them. Second, if you think for one minute a 2nd or 3rd stringer is gonna think like you suggest and take a knee before crossing the endzone you I think are deeply mistaken. Lastly, no coach worth his mettle is going to agree to a shortened game for anything less than horrific weather. Bottom line is I live and breath Coyote red. Although I agree with Kiyoat that he sounded remorseful I sure as hell wished I hadn’t. I don’t care for Stig but I sure as hell don’t hate him. Is he phony and somewhat sanctimonious? Yes I do because of the CRAMPGATE in last years game and this years DUI. But that doesn’t mean everything he does is wrong or subject to scrutiny.
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Post by kiyoat on Sept 18, 2018 21:46:23 GMT -6
I guess I can see both sides of the argument. Were the starters pulled at an appropriate time? Was the play calling appropriate given the score? I think those questions are subjective. The thing that is so bizarre to me is Stig’s post-game, and the KWSN interview. That’s why I posted links to them.
I’d like to know at exactly what point he decided that what he was doing was bad? He said that he apologized to the APB coach right after the game. So he went through the whole game calling plays, running up the score, feeling fine, then suddenly after the final whistle, he became aware that there was a problem? BS.
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Post by gopheryote on Sept 19, 2018 5:19:07 GMT -6
I keep hearing this every year. And if you feel you are teaching/leading young men, you simply tell the 2nd or 3rd team "look men, we have accomplished our goal, and we don't want to embarrass our opponent. Bat down passes (no interceptions), all running plays at 75% speed, take a knee before crossing the endzone and we will get in victory formation and not score, etc. We told the clock operators to go with a running clock in the 2nd half, and I ask you to take your time getting on and off the field." Do you really think your players/fans would have less respect for a coach who leads this way? No, probably not. Sorry - didn't mean to make it look like I was calling you out. I was responding to the general comment that pops up each year when a couple scores are ridiculous.
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 19, 2018 5:54:53 GMT -6
Sorry - didn't mean to make it look like I was calling you out. I was responding to the general comment that pops up each year when a couple scores are ridiculous. No problem. All is good.
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Post by sdyotefan on Sept 19, 2018 8:36:58 GMT -6
It appeared to me that SDSxDUI and Stig were Juiced up....
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Post by usdcoyote on Sept 19, 2018 13:42:41 GMT -6
I feel you can’t ask 2nd or 3rd team players not to play hard as they are trying to earn more playing time. I keep hearing this every year. And if you feel you are teaching/leading young men, you simply tell the 2nd or 3rd team "look men, we have accomplished our goal, and we don't want to embarrass our opponent. Bat down passes (no interceptions), all running plays at 75% speed, take a knee before crossing the endzone and we will get in victory formation and not score, etc. We told the clock operators to go with a running clock in the 2nd half, and I ask you to take your time getting on and off the field." Do you really think your players/fans would have less respect for a coach who leads this way? I don't know if you are joking or not. I have to assume you are joking, especially with the running plays at 75% speed. Just in case you are not joking I will give my thoughts. I can't imagine a coach ever telling a backup to go in and half ass it. If I was a backup busting my ass to get more reps I can't imagine the disappointment to get in the game and be told to go at 75% speed or take a knee or don't make a play on the ball. Not to mention some of these could be guys that have to step in just in case of injury, I would hate for their game reps to consist of playing at 75% speed and trying not to intercept the ball. If I was a team getting my ass kicked I would feel more insulted by a team half assing it or falling down short of the goal line as opposed to someone continuing to give me their best shot. I don't think you need to be running tempo or airing it out, but I do think you can continue to run plays and the backups can continue to give a full effort. Sometimes one team is just way better than another team and a blowout is just going to happen. A lot of those guys playing were far down on the depth chart. This might be their only college playing experience, I have no problem if they want to play as hard as they can, especially when playing another DI team.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 19, 2018 15:44:52 GMT -6
The team gets publicity for putting up 90 points, and the only negative is violating dumb unwritten rules. I think that when you're up by 43 at halftime against a hopeless team that recently lost to a D2 school you should probably just run out the rest of the game. Those reps can't be valuable and you're risking injury. Why should I care if they decided to run up the score against futile opposition?
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Post by jackedforlife on Sept 20, 2018 7:09:34 GMT -6
The team gets publicity for putting up 90 points, and the only negative is violating dumb unwritten rules. I think that when you're up by 43 at halftime against a hopeless team that recently lost to a D2 school you should probably just run out the rest of the game. Those reps can't be valuable and you're risking injury. Why should I care if they decided to run up the score against futile opposition? You don't believe that in-game reps, under the lights, in front of fans are not valuable for the 2s,3s,4s??? I think any opportunity for the reserves to get in and manage a game situation is valuable. Heck isn't that another benefit to the new redshirt rule? Get some of these kids some experience on the field. Regarding risking injury, you are if you play your starters longer than they should be, I think in a blowout it's ok to play the starters to the half...not the start of the 4th qtr, see Jacks/New Hampshire. Now there are reasons why AR-PB kept their top two QBS home, perhaps they were concerned with injury.
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Post by kiyoat on Sept 20, 2018 7:56:18 GMT -6
The team gets publicity for putting up 90 points, and the only negative is violating dumb unwritten rules. I think that when you're up by 43 at halftime against a hopeless team that recently lost to a D2 school you should probably just run out the rest of the game. Those reps can't be valuable and you're risking injury. Why should I care if they decided to run up the score against futile opposition? You don't believe that in-game reps, under the lights, in front of fans are not valuable for the 2s,3s,4s??? I think any opportunity for the reserves to get in and manage a game situation is valuable. Heck isn't that another benefit to the new redshirt rule? Get some of these kids some experience on the field. Regarding risking injury, you are if you play your starters longer than they should be, I think in a blowout it's ok to play the starters to the half...not the start of the 4th qtr, see Jacks/New Hampshire. Now there are reasons why AR-PB kept their top two QBS home, perhaps they were concerned with injury. It will be interesting to see how the Jacks fare in week 5 against NDSU. You could argue that the starters will be well rested and have been exposed to less injury. You could also argue that the starters have been robbed of a game-and-a-half of game reps, by both the lightning storm and by a vastly inferior opponent. Stig talked about the difficulty in getting good teams to come to the northern plains to play a strong Jacks team. Basically the same issue NDSU has. I agree with that argument to a point. But Valley teams often choose to play one or two (or three in the case of YSU) inferior non-conference opponents because of the meat-grinder Valley schedule. There is no shame in that, IMO, so I wish Stig would be more forthright about that aspect of scheduling, rather than basically saying "our hands were tied - they were the only team that would come here". I somehow doubt that is true. I'll also agree that keeping the starting 2 QB's out of the game is a dick move by APB. It exposes their intentions of just trying to cash a check and minimize injury.
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Post by kiyoat on Sept 20, 2018 8:08:35 GMT -6
jackedforlife, just curious. Why are you responding to, and arguing with, Yotes? His post was essentially defending SDSU's strategy. Re-read the first sentence. There are far more nakedly anti-Jacks takes in here. Oh, and BTW, thanks for joining the discussion. It has been a while since we have had much meaningful Jacks participation. It's fun to get different perspectives when they are non-trolling.
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Post by dave on Sept 20, 2018 9:08:10 GMT -6
Interesting note about SDSU, going into the Bison game the Jacks haven't faced a starting quarterback yet this season, ouch talk about being thrown into the fire.
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Post by easmus on Sept 20, 2018 9:13:26 GMT -6
Interesting note about SDSU, going into the Bison game the Jacks haven't faced a starting quarterback yet this season, ouch talk about being thrown into the fire. That is an interesting point. MSU starter was hurt and AKPB left their guys home.
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 20, 2018 10:11:20 GMT -6
Interesting note about SDSU, going into the Bison game the Jacks haven't faced a starting quarterback yet this season, ouch talk about being thrown into the fire. Yes they did..sorta. Kyle Kempt promptly took the Cyclones right down the field and scored right away. Then the game was called. My guess is the Cyclones would’ve hung about 50 on them.
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Post by aldewitt on Sept 20, 2018 12:35:29 GMT -6
How long did that game go? They didnt post any statistics for it. They are 0-2 and better suited to MVFC play.
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