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Post by fightsd on Mar 9, 2024 6:32:13 GMT -6
Man disappointing finish. With that in mind, im understanding of the frustration but also think this fan base needs a reality check. Let’s give this guy some time and grace to build a program- not a year to year stop gap like his predecessor. If you have watched basketball for any period of time and listen to EP talk hoops you know it’s a matter of time. He hasn’t hit the lottery with Matt Mooney like smith did just yet but his first full class hits campus this summer. Whining here and on social media is embarrassing - be better. Support this program and let’s turn it around. Go yotes. The fan base needs a reality check? We just finished dead last in the SL in a year where the conference, as a whole, isn't very good. We are the worst team in a group of bad teams. There's the reality check.
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Post by olifer on Mar 9, 2024 8:35:29 GMT -6
Man disappointing finish. With that in mind, im understanding of the frustration but also think this fan base needs a reality check. Let’s give this guy some time and grace to build a program- not a year to year stop gap like his predecessor. If you have watched basketball for any period of time and listen to EP talk hoops you know it’s a matter of time. He hasn’t hit the lottery with Matt Mooney like smith did just yet but his first full class hits campus this summer. Whining here and on social media is embarrassing - be better. Support this program and let’s turn it around. Go yotes. The fan base needs a reality check? We just finished dead last in the SL in a year where the conference, as a whole, isn't very good. We are the worst team in a group of bad teams. There's the reality check. It's hard to argue with that.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 9, 2024 8:55:42 GMT -6
The state of the Summit definitely amplifies this poor season. The composite NET rankings have the Summit as 25th out of 32 conferences. It's not a good conference usually, but this is basically as bad as it has ever been. The initial season of NET rankings back in 2019 also had us 25th, but 1-6 spots higher every year in between. RPI ratings before 2019 usually had the Summit in the teens, even peaking as high as 12th in 2015-16.
This conference appears to be at its lowest and somehow we find ourselves at the bottom of this deepest valley. We should regularly be near the top of a league like this. Our current situation is wildly unacceptable. Just tremendously embarrassing. If we don't see drastic improvements next year we need to be looking elsewhere.
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Post by jmgg on Mar 9, 2024 9:18:12 GMT -6
He'll get at least 2 years unless next year is a complete meltdown. I honestly haven't seen the makings of a good coach yet, maybe because of inexperience. Maybe he wasn't ready. He'll need to recruit his butt off if he wants to stay. I would say we have one returning player who would be more than a role player on any other team in the league. That's a tough way to make a living. Unsatisfied is my word of the year. I don't remember ever watching a less disciplined team. I totally agree on the LESS DISCIPLINED comment. I posted earlier about a rudderless boat and that's exactly what this team is. This may have been the USD men's team that was the hardest to watch in all my 50+ years of being a YOTE fan. I didn't go to the game because I would rather stay home to be able to watch the Iowa Hawkeyes women's team play as well. It was more enjoyable watching that game and switch back to the USD game to watch for as long as I could stand it, then switch back.
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Post by yote18 on Mar 9, 2024 9:47:01 GMT -6
I do just want to point that the sentiment on the mbb program, while valid, is also contradictory to what some have made the case for on the WBB side. We’re absolutely furious about the mbb program not making a run for the title when our last and only regular season title came in 2017. However instead of saying give them more time we’re breaking out the torches. Yet on the women’s side, a program that has a history of success, we’re saying “give her more time””she’ll grow it’ll take a few years but we’ll get there”“we can’t expect to win the summit league every year”.
So which is it? I know I annoy some with my standings on the issue but at least it’s applied consistently. I certainly do expect us to win the Summit league every year and the years that we don’t we better be top 2. But he’s got at a minimum 2 more years and that’s guaranteed so let’s pit the torches away.
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Post by fightsd on Mar 9, 2024 10:07:51 GMT -6
I do just want to point that the sentiment on the mbb program, while valid, is also contradictory to what some have made the case for on the WBB side. We’re absolutely furious about the mbb program not making a run for the title when our last and only regular season title came in 2017. However instead of saying give them more time we’re breaking out the torches. Yet on the women’s side, a program that has a history of success, we’re saying “give her more time””she’ll grow it’ll take a few years but we’ll get there”“we can’t expect to win the summit league every year”. So which is it? I know I annoy some with my standings on the issue but at least it’s applied consistently. I certainly do expect us to win the Summit league every year and the years that we don’t we better be top 2. But he’s got at a minimum 2 more years and that’s guaranteed so let’s pit the torches away. Nobody's satisfied with what WBB is doing either, but they're not in dead last and out of the tourney before it even starts.
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Post by dbyote on Mar 9, 2024 10:23:55 GMT -6
I do just want to point that the sentiment on the mbb program, while valid, is also contradictory to what some have made the case for on the WBB side. We’re absolutely furious about the mbb program not making a run for the title when our last and only regular season title came in 2017. However instead of saying give them more time we’re breaking out the torches. Yet on the women’s side, a program that has a history of success, we’re saying “give her more time””she’ll grow it’ll take a few years but we’ll get there”“we can’t expect to win the summit league every year”. So which is it? I know I annoy some with my standings on the issue but at least it’s applied consistently. I certainly do expect us to win the Summit league every year and the years that we don’t we better be top 2. But he’s got at a minimum 2 more years and that’s guaranteed so let’s pit the torches away. 100 pct correct. The problem is we've seen other teams find lightning in a bottle via the portal so it's hard to he patient as a fan. On the other hand, that strategy probably isn't sustainable at our level so we'll have to allow time to recruit and develop young players. One thing Pete has going for him is that he is extremely likable. As a fan I want to root for him. That alone will buy him some time. I think Karius is probably the same. It's a little different having young, inexperienced head coaches on both sides. Potentially very exciting but the results haven't been there yet and to be honest, I haven't seen much growth from the couch. All we can hope for is good recruiting and personal development from players and coaches. Well know more in a couple years and it will probably be a bumpy ride. In the meantime there will be no shortage of opinions. I've been as critical as anyone on here but I'm also extremely pragmatic. People tend to learn more from failure than success. Lord knows we've had plenty of failure lately so let's hope it proves true.
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Post by GoYotes on Mar 9, 2024 14:51:42 GMT -6
For whatever it is worth, in Craig Smith's second year as head coach at USD, the Yotes conference record was 5-11 and they got bounced 86-70 by IPFW in the 1st round of the SLT.
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Post by gopheryote on Mar 9, 2024 16:44:20 GMT -6
Geez - I don't expect a lot of high-fives on here, but the burn-it-all-down attitude here is what we are used to seeing from our less-reasonable friends in blue. I'm sure everyone knows this was really year 1 for Coach Pete. Nearly a full roster turnover and a full culture overhaul - those take some time. (Go back and read the comments from Lee's last year or attitudes of holdover players last year if you need to refresh your memory.) There are certainly weaknesses to be addressed, but the difference between the bottom/middle/top of the conference is razor thin. I didn't think we would beat ORU last night, but if we did, I fully expected to beat SDSU tonight. That is the margin between #1 and #9 this year.
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Post by fightsd on Mar 9, 2024 17:42:43 GMT -6
Geez - I don't expect a lot of high-fives on here, but the burn-it-all-down attitude here is what we are used to seeing from our less-reasonable friends in blue. I'm sure everyone knows this was really year 1 for Coach Pete. Nearly a full roster turnover and a full culture overhaul - those take some time. (Go back and read the comments from Lee's last year or attitudes of holdover players last year if you need to refresh your memory.) There are certainly weaknesses to be addressed, but the difference between the bottom/middle/top of the conference is razor thin. I didn't think we would beat ORU last night, but if we did, I fully expected to beat SDSU tonight. That is the margin between #1 and #9 this year. We weren't beating state tonight. They are top to bottom better than us. We rarely beat them at home and never beat them in Brookings or at the SLT. I remember beating them once a few years ago at the Pentagon, but other than that I don't remember beating them outside of Vermillion.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 9, 2024 19:20:02 GMT -6
For whatever it is worth, in Craig Smith's second year as head coach at USD, the Yotes conference record was 5-11 and they got bounced 86-70 by IPFW in the 1st round of the SLT. I did notice that when going back through the years. That was the year the Summit had its highest ranking since USD joined too though. We had just graduated Bos and Larson, and decided to tie up 3 scholarships in transfers who couldn't play the whole season, so it was obvious that the year was being sacrificed for the future. Also our final year playing in the Dome which could not have been easy to recruit players to. I remember having little faith in beating IPFW in the SLT because they had some studs. Max Landis and John Konchar was a deadly combo. Not quite the same as the ORU team we just lost to. I'm rambling. At first glance it is interesting to see the same exact conference record as 2015-16. We are in a whole different world now though.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 9, 2024 19:22:25 GMT -6
Geez - I don't expect a lot of high-fives on here, but the burn-it-all-down attitude here is what we are used to seeing from our less-reasonable friends in blue. I'm sure everyone knows this was really year 1 for Coach Pete. Nearly a full roster turnover and a full culture overhaul - those take some time. (Go back and read the comments from Lee's last year or attitudes of holdover players last year if you need to refresh your memory.) There are certainly weaknesses to be addressed, but the difference between the bottom/middle/top of the conference is razor thin. I didn't think we would beat ORU last night, but if we did, I fully expected to beat SDSU tonight. That is the margin between #1 and #9 this year. We weren't beating state tonight. They are top to bottom better than us. We rarely beat them at home and never beat them in Brookings or at the SLT. I remember beating them once a few years ago at the Pentagon, but other than that I don't remember beating them outside of Vermillion. We beat them in Brookings in 2020-21, same year as that Pentagon game. I think we win the SLT that year if AJ didn't get hurt.
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Post by fightsd on Mar 9, 2024 19:25:19 GMT -6
We weren't beating state tonight. They are top to bottom better than us. We rarely beat them at home and never beat them in Brookings or at the SLT. I remember beating them once a few years ago at the Pentagon, but other than that I don't remember beating them outside of Vermillion. We beat them in Brookings in 2020-21, same year as that Pentagon game. I think we win the SLT that year if AJ didn't get hurt. You're right. I forgot that one. Could have made it interesting with AJ too. I still think our best chance was when we lost to them in the final.
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Post by gopheryote on Mar 9, 2024 22:39:04 GMT -6
We weren't beating state tonight. They are top to bottom better than us. We rarely beat them at home and never beat them in Brookings or at the SLT. I remember beating them once a few years ago at the Pentagon, but other than that I don't remember beating them outside of Vermillion. We beat them in Brookings in 2020-21, same year as that Pentagon game. I think we win the SLT that year if AJ didn't get hurt. We lost by 3 in Brookings a few weeks ago. The Yotes have improved significantly since then, SDSU has not, thus my thought. Not much of a gap there.
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Post by 90yote on Mar 9, 2024 23:04:42 GMT -6
We beat them in Brookings in 2020-21, same year as that Pentagon game. I think we win the SLT that year if AJ didn't get hurt. You're right. I forgot that one. Could have made it interesting with AJ too. I still think our best chance was when we lost to them in the final. I say the best chance was the year before when they were the #1 seed and definitively better than the Jacks. Lost to them in the semifinal when they didn't trail until 1.5 seconds left. That one hurt.
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