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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2012 18:51:35 GMT -6
Let you voice be heard by the American way of voting.
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Post by 88grad on Nov 19, 2012 19:23:17 GMT -6
Sorry... I don't have a pitchfork and torches are just too passe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2012 17:34:42 GMT -6
I think next season will be much better for CF and others who sport the red and white. No need to fire anyone. With one class of Ed's redshirted this year, Glenn can start rebuilding. Also his own recruits show up for fall camp. Some may not get to red shirt, but we will see.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 22, 2012 18:10:58 GMT -6
Why is it that the rebuilding process doesn't start until year 2? I think people will be disappointed if they only think this is a player issue. It's much more than that.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 22, 2012 23:13:58 GMT -6
Why is it that the rebuilding process doesn't start until year 2? I think people will be disappointed if they only think this is a player issue. It's much more than that. You need to go. |
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Post by yanktonyote on Nov 23, 2012 0:31:20 GMT -6
Agreed^^^^^
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 23, 2012 1:49:25 GMT -6
Why is it that the rebuilding process doesn't start until year 2? I think people will be disappointed if they only think this is a player issue. It's much more than that. No, a lot of it is really a player issue. When you have a below-average QB and a below average line and play in one of the toughest conferences in football, you have a big problem. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 26, 2012 7:40:20 GMT -6
Gene Chizik out 2 years after winning the National Championship at Auburn. I don't know if there were problems there were not known about but if he can get fired two years after a Championship than just about anything is possible in the coaching ranks. It's definately not your normal profession to be in coaching.
After no coaching changes initially had the lead the poll has reversed and the majority think there should at least be some changes to the coaching staff. Thankfully I am not the only one that thinks that.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 26, 2012 8:54:19 GMT -6
Using the Cheez as an example is not applicable. The only reason Chizik won that national title is because of Auburn's crooked program. Tuberville recruited the bulk of those players and built that team but was let go because he wouldn't play ball on paying players. Tommy's out, the Cheez is in, enter Cam Newton. That's how Chizik won his NC. Heck, he wasn't even good enough to deserve holding the ISU job. The real winner in all this is ISU, they ended up with a good coach. Cheez is fired and Auburn should soon be on probation, you can take that to the bank.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 26, 2012 9:36:51 GMT -6
To some extent Chizik is a great example. It goes to show that it is ALL about players. You have to judge a guy based on the players he is able to recruit. Chizik was fired because the team he put together when it was comprised completely of his own players was garbage.
Now, that being said, progress can certainly be judged earlier. A great example is Colorado. There Embree was fired after 2 years, but there were no signs of progress in year two. If Glenn is a two win coach after two years, you will hear me raising hell - but not after just one.
Coyotefan, you keep asking, why does rebuilding have to start in year 2. This is where you are wrong. It doesn't. Just because you can't see the results on the field, it doesn't mean the team isn't rebuilding. Glenn red shirted nearly all of his recruits (no really his guys). This year will be his first full recruiting class. Don't be a fool - he has to have real time to get his players - and that doesn't just mean raw talent, it means attitude, intelligence, and other intangible factors.
Patience can pay off. As much as I hate to compliment the State College, look what they did this year. Many people believed that if the team didn't show real progress this year then Stig would be gone - they stepped up. The OL improved, the very young QB matured over the course of the season despite an injury, the defense improved and Zenner shocked everybody.
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Post by yotemeal on Nov 26, 2012 10:03:51 GMT -6
To some extent Chizik is a great example. It goes to show that it is ALL about players. You have to judge a guy based on the players he is able to recruit. Chizik was fired because the team he put together when it was comprised completely of his own players was garbage. Now, that being said, progress can certainly be judged earlier. A great example is Colorado. There Embree was fired after 2 years, but there were no signs of progress in year two. If Glenn is a two win coach after two years, you will hear me raising hell - but not after just one. Coyotefan, you keep asking, why does rebuilding have to start in year 2. This is where you are wrong. It doesn't. Just because you can't see the results on the field, it doesn't mean the team isn't rebuilding. Glenn red shirted nearly all of his recruits (no really his guys). This year will be his first full recruiting class. Don't be a fool - he has to have real time to get his players - and that doesn't just mean raw talent, it means attitude, intelligence, and other intangible factors. Patience can pay off. As much as I hate to compliment the State College, look what they did this year. Many people believed that if the team didn't show real progress this year then Stig would be gone - they stepped up. The OL improved, the very young QB matured over the course of the season despite an injury, the defense improved and Zenner shocked everybody. That's a honey of a post, Cousin Eddie. Is it real? This post nails it, and I would also add that coaching a BCS conference football program, particularly an SEC team, is not a valid comparison. SEC football is not about "student-athletes." It's about winning and fiercely out-recruiting rival schools for elite, NFL-caliber talent. Coaches are under immense pressure, but are compensated accordingly. USD and SDSU coaches are underpaid, even by FCS standards. That's not an excuse for performance, but it is consistent with what we're asking our coaches to do, i.e., cultivate competitive student-athletes. We will win under Coach Glenn, but it requires time. Despite a rough record, there were enough bright spots this season to suggest we're not that far off. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 26, 2012 12:42:52 GMT -6
To some extent Chizik is a great example. It goes to show that it is ALL about players. You have to judge a guy based on the players he is able to recruit. Chizik was fired because the team he put together when it was comprised completely of his own players was garbage. Now, that being said, progress can certainly be judged earlier. A great example is Colorado. There Embree was fired after 2 years, but there were no signs of progress in year two. If Glenn is a two win coach after two years, you will hear me raising hell - but not after just one. Coyotefan, you keep asking, why does rebuilding have to start in year 2. This is where you are wrong. It doesn't. Just because you can't see the results on the field, it doesn't mean the team isn't rebuilding. Glenn red shirted nearly all of his recruits (no really his guys). This year will be his first full recruiting class. Don't be a fool - he has to have real time to get his players - and that doesn't just mean raw talent, it means attitude, intelligence, and other intangible factors. Patience can pay off. As much as I hate to compliment the State College, look what they did this year. Many people believed that if the team didn't show real progress this year then Stig would be gone - they stepped up. The OL improved, the very young QB matured over the course of the season despite an injury, the defense improved and Zenner shocked everybody. That's a honey of a post, Cousin Eddie. Is it real? This post nails it, and I would also add that coaching a BCS conference football program, particularly an SEC team, is not a valid comparison. SEC football is not about "student-athletes." It's about winning and fiercely out-recruiting rival schools for elite, NFL-caliber talent. Coaches are under immense pressure, but are compensated accordingly. USD and SDSU coaches are underpaid, even by FCS standards. That's not an excuse for performance, but it is consistent with what we're asking our coaches to do, i.e., cultivate competitive student-athletes. We will win under Coach Glenn, but it requires time. Despite a rough record, there were enough bright spots this season to suggest we're not that far off. Where I disagree with you is that you say we are not that far off, with a shake of the head I have to respectfully disagree. If you consider that were not that far off being a 3-5 MVFC team than you may be right. For the most part the Coyotes did not belong on the same field as the contenders in this conference. We are not close right now so it's not like an adjustment here and there will be enough. It's going to take an overhaul on something. We may simply not agree with what needs to be overhauled. Coach Glenn has a great resume but he did not coach well this season. We can all agree that something is amuck. I don't think it is simply just a player personell problem, some people do. I think it probably has to do with multiple things. |
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Post by GoYotes on Nov 26, 2012 12:43:21 GMT -6
The all MVFC team was announced today & the results indicate the need to recruit. Of the 26 players on the 1st team, the Yotes had none. 2 Yotes, Starr & Powell, made the 26 member 2nd team
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 26, 2012 17:34:08 GMT -6
The all MVFC team was announced today & the results indicate the need to recruit. Of the 26 players on the 1st team, the Yotes had none. 2 Yotes, Starr & Powell, made the 26 member 2nd team If I am a Coyote I am happy to receive any kind of award. Congradulations to Tyler Starr and Will Powell. I have always kind of thought that Powell has a chance to be a NFL receiver. I hope Starr can have NFL aspirations as well. |
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 26, 2012 17:44:28 GMT -6
Where I disagree with you is that you say we are not that far off, with a shake of the head I have to respectfully disagree. If you consider that were not that far off being a 3-5 MVFC team than you may be right. For the most part the Coyotes did not belong on the same field as the contenders in this conference. We are not close right now so it's not like an adjustment here and there will be enough. It's going to take an overhaul on something. We may simply not agree with what needs to be overhauled. Coach Glenn has a great resume but he did not coach well this season. We can all agree that something is amuck. I don't think it is simply just a player personell problem, some people do. I think it probably has to do with multiple things. What are you smoking, son? We were in position to win 5 games in the conference. The problem is that this team cannot close out games - a carry over issue from the Ed program - an attitude/culture that takes time to overhaul/repair. You can't just flip a switch and get kids to be good. You have a limited number of bodies that come in and out each year. It is a process. We can only change so much as time and the rules allow. Glenn was hired in January last year - he had little to no time to go out and recruit his own players, evaluate players, etc. Illinois St. 34-31 Western Illinois 24-17 Missouri St. 27-24 Youngstown St. 13-10 Northern Iowa 24-21 I watched all of the games and they were all winnable. That is three losses by the margin of a FG, one 4 point loss and the other was a single TD. |
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