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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 22:10:08 GMT -6
I think if USD is serious they'll pay just under $200,000. That'd be more than Nagy.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 2, 2014 22:27:55 GMT -6
Ryan Miller sounds like he would be a fantastic hire. He was a big part of New Mexico's huge turnaround under Steve Alford, plus has experience under John Calipari. His bio at Auburn calls him one of the top recruiters in the nation, and I imagine he has a ton of connections considering who he has worked with. Given the choice, this is who I'd go with.
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Post by carny on Mar 2, 2014 23:16:24 GMT -6
I think if USD is serious they'll pay just under $200,000. That'd be more than Nagy. Nagy makes $200,000
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Post by coyotega on Mar 3, 2014 7:23:02 GMT -6
Lots of folks to chose from. And with Herbster being a basketball guy, I think he will get this right.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 3, 2014 8:54:04 GMT -6
None of the prospective coaches you guys are talking about are going to come here and it is because of two main reasons. 1) USD can't afford to pay the kid of money you guys are talking about. 2) None of those coaches are going to come here unless we offer them a multi-year, guaranteed contract, which isn't going to happen.
Frankly, Joey James is probably the right fit for this job. He meets all the qualities you guys are always talking about here with two exceptions, he's NOT an outsider and he doesn't have prior head coaching experience (neither do half the assistants you guys are talking about). Whether you believe it or not, the Coyotes this year have exceeded expectations. They were picked to finish dead last, that won't happen. They've won more conference games this season than any before in the Summit. James has done better in his first year than Boots ever did yet Boots is revered around here and you're all talking about firing James.
Give James a chance to see what he can do, and no, one year isn't a chance. This was a young team this season. Let's see what he builds this team into for next year. He's already landed the #1 recruit in the state for next year. I'd say things are building in the right direction.
The worst thing that happens is that James gets a one year contract and it doesn't work out and he gets replaced next season. It's not a mistake where there is an albatross contract hanging around the AD's neck.
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Post by azsod73 on Mar 3, 2014 9:05:46 GMT -6
My guess is that James gets the job. There are enough pros and cons to make it a middle of the road decision and, unfortunately, I think that is the kind of guy we have as AD.
Herbster has been a huge disappointment in the communications area and the fact that he doesn't get the importance of this most crucial element leaves me skeptical of the future.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 3, 2014 12:16:07 GMT -6
Guys, who do you think raised a lot of that funding for the arena project? That's right, our current AD. He demonstarted his abilities and got the job because of it. Also, after two consecutive short timers in the AD chair, Herbster brings stability as it is known he will be here long term.
Oh, and arena construction starts this spring. Word of this is all over Vermillion. Just because the athletic department doesn't have a press conference once a week some people get all bent over not being updated on the progress.
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Post by sdyotefan on Mar 3, 2014 12:28:54 GMT -6
Good posts Yote 53. I agree with your assessments of James and Herbster.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 3, 2014 14:08:57 GMT -6
Word on the arena project was very, very hard to come by as things progressed. Hell, there still hasn't even been public confirmation from the athletic department that construction is set to begin, though I imagine that is because they want to get all they can from donors who don't know that all the funds have been raised. You have to involve the fans somehow, and communication has been terrible.
USD absolutely has the ability to pay $200k for a coach though. If the AD isn't willing to do it, we'll never be a top-Summit team. That's just a fact. It's not like gate receipts are paying the coach's salary, and if they are, then why not get someone who will put butts in the seats? We've made a huge investment in an arena, and we need to be serious about the program. If we can find over $60 million for the building, I think we can find an extra $70k for a coach. It just makes sense. You'll never be good if you don't put the resources in.
I see Ryan Miller makes right at $200k at Auburn. Don't know if that same amount would draw him in. The prospect of coming back home and getting a shot at leading a D-1 program may perhaps be enticing enough for him to take the job, if offered.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 3, 2014 17:23:53 GMT -6
None of the prospective coaches you guys are talking about are going to come here and it is because of two main reasons. 1) USD can't afford to pay the kid of money you guys are talking about. 2) None of those coaches are going to come here unless we offer them a multi-year, guaranteed contract, which isn't going to happen. Frankly, Joey James is probably the right fit for this job. He meets all the qualities you guys are always talking about here with two exceptions, he's NOT an outsider and he doesn't have prior head coaching experience (neither do half the assistants you guys are talking about). Whether you believe it or not, the Coyotes this year have exceeded expectations. They were picked to finish dead last, that won't happen. They've won more conference games this season than any before in the Summit. James has done better in his first year than Boots ever did yet Boots is revered around here and you're all talking about firing James. Give James a chance to see what he can do, and no, one year isn't a chance. This was a young team this season. Let's see what he builds this team into for next year. He's already landed the #1 recruit in the state for next year. I'd say things are building in the right direction. The worst thing that happens is that James gets a one year contract and it doesn't work out and he gets replaced next season. It's not a mistake where there is an albatross contract hanging around the AD's neck. You have very low expectations of the program. USD was competitive in the NCC for Boot's entire tenure and he had to go against the same SDSU and NDSU that he went against previously albeit up a level. USD figured out a way to be at the top of the NCC and they should be expected to compete at the top of the Summit as well. USD can attract a pretty good candidate to take over IMO. It's not that USD won't offer a long term contract it's that they can't and I think that alone is important. An up and coming coach will accept one year contracts if they have confidence in their ability to coach and win. If USD wants to hire a coach that expects to lose I could understand how that coach wouldn't want to accept the one year deal. Why is James the right fit for the job? Is it because he played and coached at USD. Heck I have passion for USD does that mean I am qualified to coach the team. James is a nice guy but he wasn't hired for the job, he inherited it because USD had no choice but to give it to him. This is strictly opinion but if Herbster gives him the job IMO he doesn't have the backbone to run a successful D1 Athletic department.
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Post by kioatee on Mar 3, 2014 17:27:52 GMT -6
Give Joey the job. Hes been great for USD. Yeah theres been some bad performances, it happens. Theres not a college team that doesnt have bad games. I get it that doesnt excuse the lack of competitiveness in some games but I really dont think thats a lack of time and effort and preparation. The image of USD has improved dramatically thats evident with fan following, our home court being pretty good in terms of wins this years. The only thing I would like to see is an expansion on recruiting, its great to get the top recruits in the state but realistically can he help us? Would be great to get some top 25 guys from other states and expand that way.
I also think that Joeys supporting staff needs improvement. There is some dead wood in that office that I think needs renovating. Dont think it will happen but could be food for thought.
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Post by kioatee on Mar 3, 2014 17:30:55 GMT -6
None of the prospective coaches you guys are talking about are going to come here and it is because of two main reasons. 1) USD can't afford to pay the kid of money you guys are talking about. 2) None of those coaches are going to come here unless we offer them a multi-year, guaranteed contract, which isn't going to happen. Frankly, Joey James is probably the right fit for this job. He meets all the qualities you guys are always talking about here with two exceptions, he's NOT an outsider and he doesn't have prior head coaching experience (neither do half the assistants you guys are talking about). Whether you believe it or not, the Coyotes this year have exceeded expectations. They were picked to finish dead last, that won't happen. They've won more conference games this season than any before in the Summit. James has done better in his first year than Boots ever did yet Boots is revered around here and you're all talking about firing James. Give James a chance to see what he can do, and no, one year isn't a chance. This was a young team this season. Let's see what he builds this team into for next year. He's already landed the #1 recruit in the state for next year. I'd say things are building in the right direction. The worst thing that happens is that James gets a one year contract and it doesn't work out and he gets replaced next season. It's not a mistake where there is an albatross contract hanging around the AD's neck. You have very low expectations of the program. USD was competitive in the NCC for Boot's entire tenure and he had to go against the same SDSU and NDSU that he went against previously albeit up a level. USD figured out a way to be at the top of the NCC and they should be expected to compete at the top of the Summit as well. USD can attract a pretty good candidate to take over IMO. It's not that USD won't offer a long term contract it's that they can't and I think that alone is important. An up and coming coach will accept one year contracts if they have confidence in their ability to coach and win. If USD wants to hire a coach that expects to lose I could understand how that coach wouldn't want to accept the one year deal. Why is James the right fit for the job? Is it because he played and coached at USD. Heck I have passion for USD does that mean I am qualified to coach the team. James is a nice guy but he wasn't hired for the job, he inherited it because USD had no choice but to give it to him. This is strictly opinion but if Herbster gives him the job IMO he doesn't have the backbone to run a successful D1 Athletic department. FALSE. "Boots left at a time that only James could take over" Wrong, he could have found anyone for a year. He gave James the job because of his loyalty and potential. Im sure there are guys with HC experience sitting at home somewhere that would have taken the job. Any assistant coach from a succesful program potentially could have taken the job too. My point is there could have been someone somewhere to take the job.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 3, 2014 17:32:47 GMT -6
I don't get the infatuation with Billiter or some peoples low expectations of USD. At best he was on an even level with Boot's but probably a slight bit below Boot's based on accomplishments. He hasn't taken Augie to a very high level in the NSIC let alone the nation. Billiter would have just as much difficulty if not more trouble than Boot's had making the adjustment to D1. I am not against a lower level coach moving up to D1 but they better be extremely successful at their lower level.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 3, 2014 17:39:25 GMT -6
You have very low expectations of the program. USD was competitive in the NCC for Boot's entire tenure and he had to go against the same SDSU and NDSU that he went against previously albeit up a level. USD figured out a way to be at the top of the NCC and they should be expected to compete at the top of the Summit as well. USD can attract a pretty good candidate to take over IMO. It's not that USD won't offer a long term contract it's that they can't and I think that alone is important. An up and coming coach will accept one year contracts if they have confidence in their ability to coach and win. If USD wants to hire a coach that expects to lose I could understand how that coach wouldn't want to accept the one year deal. Why is James the right fit for the job? Is it because he played and coached at USD. Heck I have passion for USD does that mean I am qualified to coach the team. James is a nice guy but he wasn't hired for the job, he inherited it because USD had no choice but to give it to him. This is strictly opinion but if Herbster gives him the job IMO he doesn't have the backbone to run a successful D1 Athletic department. FALSE. "Boots left at a time that only James could take over" Wrong, he could have found anyone for a year. He gave James the job because of his loyalty and potential. Im sure there are guys with HC experience sitting at home somewhere that would have taken the job. Any assistant coach from a succesful program potentially could have taken the job too. My point is there could have been someone somewhere to take the job. I disagree completely. Herbster had almost no choice but to give the job on an interim basis to James because of Boot's retiring at a time when he knew James would get the job. There was no real chance for a full national search for a head coach due to timing issues. James got the job due to "timing" not due to "loyalty and potential". What should happen is that there should be a full national search done with James being one of the candidates. James should be judged mainly based on his resume before this season since this season hasn't been great. It hasn't been horrible but hasn't been great.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 3, 2014 17:53:27 GMT -6
You have very low expectations of the program. USD was competitive in the NCC for Boot's entire tenure and he had to go against the same SDSU and NDSU that he went against previously albeit up a level. USD figured out a way to be at the top of the NCC and they should be expected to compete at the top of the Summit as well. USD can attract a pretty good candidate to take over IMO. It's not that USD won't offer a long term contract it's that they can't and I think that alone is important. An up and coming coach will accept one year contracts if they have confidence in their ability to coach and win. If USD wants to hire a coach that expects to lose I could understand how that coach wouldn't want to accept the one year deal. Why is James the right fit for the job? Is it because he played and coached at USD. Heck I have passion for USD does that mean I am qualified to coach the team. James is a nice guy but he wasn't hired for the job, he inherited it because USD had no choice but to give it to him. This is strictly opinion but if Herbster gives him the job IMO he doesn't have the backbone to run a successful D1 Athletic department. FALSE. "Boots left at a time that only James could take over" Wrong, he could have found anyone for a year. He gave James the job because of his loyalty and potential. Im sure there are guys with HC experience sitting at home somewhere that would have taken the job. Any assistant coach from a succesful program potentially could have taken the job too. My point is there could have been someone somewhere to take the job. We can debate all day who should or shouldn't be the next head coach, but there was no one else who could take over the interim duties and Boots knew it. Any even remotely capable from the outside isn't going to take the job in September, a few weeks before practice begins. Joey may have won more games than Boots did in the Summit, but Boots seemed to be mailing it in. Not a bar for success. I fully believe that Joey is an asset, and keeping him in the program is in our best interest if possible, but not at the expense of the program. If a new head coach would accept Joey as an assistant that would be ideal, but I don't think he is quite ready to be our head coach. He needs to work under at least one person who wasn't Dave Boots.
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