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Post by azsod73 on Mar 3, 2014 18:37:06 GMT -6
Guys, who do you think raised a lot of that funding for the arena project? That's right, our current AD. He demonstarted his abilities and got the job because of it. Also, after two consecutive short timers in the AD chair, Herbster brings stability as it is known he will be here long term. Oh, and arena construction starts this spring. Word of this is all over Vermillion. Just because the athletic department doesn't have a press conference once a week some people get all bent over not being updated on the progress. I really don't know who raised what, where we are at today, what the invovlement of the Foundation is now, or will be in the future, because all I see is occasional comments from Hoeck and Garry and they aren't always in sync. I am glad the word is all over Vermillion. Unfortunately, I am one of the people who happens to be 1,500 miles away and hears diddley squat from the AD. I have contacted him several times with no results. I get it, he is head of the department and can run it anyway he wants to but I can assure you he is missing out on fund raising. As an example, I was one of the early pledges (a Sayler and Herbster visit) and as is my nature, I made a conservative pledge. Since my initial pledge, through dumb luck and a 20% plus increase in the stock market, I could do more. Hence my attempt to reach out to Herbster. Makes me wonder how many other people, with early pledges, who have benefited from the market, or have been blessed with some other windfall would be willing to do more. And, I am not looking for a weekly press conference. As I have stated previously (and so have others), they could do so much more with the marketing/public relations aspect of this facilities project by sending email blasts with some insight as to why this is being changed, what the next design steps are etc., etc. When they aren't talking about it (outside of Vermillion) those of us on the outside aren't either. As for Joey James, he is a great person and does so many things right but...I have trouble reconciling the fact 'his' players didn't compete for hm in the last two games. I know we can't match up with the best programs today but by the end of the season you should be getting better and have the will to leave it all out on the court.
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Post by yoteforever on Mar 3, 2014 19:59:49 GMT -6
Yote53, not to take you to task, but I'm not sure the word is even 100% out in Vermillion. I don't live there but I might as well as much time as I spend there. Your claim that Herbster has raised a significant portion of that pledged I'm not sure is correct. I was approached by Sayler and the ask came from him ( sorta).
But Azzod73 has made a really good point. Here is a couple that made a pledge, apparently bumped it voluntarily I may add, and all that he asked was to be kept informed as to the progress of the project. That is a reasonable yet modest request. When you make a significant pledge, almost blindly, you want to know what's going to happen, when it's going to happen, and how it's going to happen. Let me give you an example. Let's say Azzod73 made his pledge based on the original floor plan that was pitched. Now people are saying we have to change the plan because of the water table. And for arguments sake, let's say he's opposed to the new floor plan. Is he entitled to his money back? FWIW.....this is all made up, but for arguments sake, if the administration doesn't communicate with him, I think he's entitled to be upset. Communication is a must, and I know for a fact that people that have given are in the dark, and that isn't right.
People get chastised on this board if they give and have some expectations, but without people like him, there is no arena built. In my opinion, Azzod has a right to be disappointed.
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Post by sleuth on Mar 3, 2014 20:07:13 GMT -6
Wrong. When Joey took over the kids were excited and they beloved in him. Heck, even I believed in him. After every loss I kept denying that he wasn't the rite guy for the job. Then when I started to get irritated and took a closer look at how he was coaching, I completely lost faith. They were competitive in a nimber of games vs quality opponents. But The kids have lost faith in him... I have been watching and listening closely at games and afterwards to see what he is doing and why it's not working. 1.) the culture is bad. Players talk back and have no respect in the huddle or on the court. I won't single them out but I have seen him get in profanity laced arguments with his own players. I have even seen him talk smack to opposing players. 2.) he doesn't understand when to sub, or which players click well together. 3.) he drags his players down by constantly yelling at them. 4.) he doesn't even control his own huddles, Williams does. Watch closely the next game. Every timeout, Williams is the one who draws up the plays and then James tries to explain them. Most of the time he explains them wrong and Williams corrects him during the timeout. Also watch who the kids look to and who they seem to respect, WILLIAMS! Williams has previous head coaching experience and it shows. 5.) he singles his players out publicly. If u listened to the post game radio show after the SDSU game he threw Gruis directly under the bus. Said the loss was on him and that if he couldn't take some self responsibility then it's a shame. No quality coach does that. Does Gruis need to play better? Absolutely. But u never single them out. U win as a team and u lose as a team. I can think of a few players that had key turnovers in close games and each and every time he eluded to the fact that it's their fault the game was lost. When is he gonna accept some responsibility? 6.) after the SDSU game I noticed that Joey and all of the other coaches except Williams were in and out of the locker room within 2 or 3 minutes. So again, Williams was doing what a coach needs to do, coach the players. 7.) every time we are in close games he tries to slow the game down and run out some shot clock. Every time we do that it results in a bad shot or a turnover and we end up losing. U would think that after having that happen as many times as it has he would try something different. I could list another 3 or 4 good examples of why he isn't ready or qualified but I think I have made my point. I was a James believer when he took over, but he had proven to me that he isn't ready. He isn't mature enough and doesn't have the experience. Has he done better than boots did? Yes. But barely. Usd needs to clean house. Coaches need to go, with the exception of maybe Williams. A face lift is much needed and the only way to successfully do that is to start with a clean slate. Joey needs to gets some experience at a different program and maybe even coach at a lower level before he is ready to take on a D1 program. This post has gotten long enough so thus rant is over. For now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 21:38:42 GMT -6
I think if USD is serious they'll pay just under $200,000. That'd be more than Nagy. Nagy makes $200,000 Thanks. When I was searching yesterday the only salary amount I could find was $152,000. I knew he made more but I thought it was still under $200,000. So let me rephrase: USD needs to pay $200,000 to show that they're serious in this hire. I'm really interested who the AD is going to choose.
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Post by gorabbits on Mar 3, 2014 22:08:58 GMT -6
According to the South Dakota open government site, Nagy makes $200,000 as indicated above and James makes $90,000. There may well be bonuses that do not show up on this site and it is also possible that there are other perfectly appropriate sources of income that don't flow through the state payroll system.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 4, 2014 0:04:43 GMT -6
According to the South Dakota open government site, Nagy makes $200,000 as indicated above and James makes $90,000. There may well be bonuses that do not show up on this site and it is also possible that there are other perfectly appropriate sources of income that don't flow through the state payroll system. James only makes $90,000, perhaps because he wasn't expected to be head coach this year. Boots made $125,000 prior to his retirement.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 4, 2014 8:04:42 GMT -6
Guys, end the charade.
Herbster is not the scape goat here. He is doing a fine job and has been dealt a hell of a bad hand. Boots intentionally screwed the school over for the last time. I know he has told people that he would have quit on the first day of the season if it meant that Joey got the job. This was his plan.
Herbster's ability to conduct his due diligence and do a national search was hijacked.
The basketball arena is going to break ground in May. Count on it. The project is still short about $9M in unconfirmed funds. They are working to resolve this. It has been in all of the papers multiple times and the story has been uniform. People are reading what they want to read.
News flash - we are in the big boy leagues now. If you don't think USD is CAPABLE (note that I did not say "willing") of paying $250K, then you are living in the dark ages. I am certain that we would find the funds and be capable of paying it to the right guy. For goodness sake, we are going to be opening a $65M basketball facility. This price tag for a capable coach is almost a prerequisite cost. If we get the right guy, that salary will have been worth it and the success will pay for itself.
Miller is an intriguing name. I stand by my suggestion of Craig Smith from Nebraska, even if it is a long shot. I know of another local kid, that will remain nameless, who would be willing to be an assistant, if the right coach is hired. I could definitely see Herbster reaching out to Bo Ryan for suggestions from his coaching tree. The same goes for all of the other coaches around the country that he has come into contact with over the years. In addition, I have heard the names of a couple other assistant coaches from big programs that threw their names into the ring shortly after Boots resigned. Herbster is a basketball guy! This is his time to shine.
Yote 53, this is not supposed to be a shot at you, but your comments above about our inability to get the right guy are comments from a "loser mentality." We do not have to settle. There is somebody out there that is a fit for the program, but if we don't give Herbster the resources, support and the opportunity to conduct a search, then we are dooming ourselves from the start. We might as well just give up because it is too hard...
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 4, 2014 8:34:44 GMT -6
I didn't say we have an inability to get the right guy, I'm saying I think we need to give the guy in the seat right now more time. You are all saying Boots hijacked the season by retiring when he did. Well, look at it from James perspective then. He woke up one morning and was handed this hot mess and asked to make the best of it. I'm saying he has by winning more in this conference than his predecessor and he has done it with Boots' players (albeit he was in on recruiting them, bottom line is they aren't his guys). I'm saying progress has been made this season but I guess that doesn't matter. I'm honestly to the point where I think the only way James was going to win that job in most your eyes was to win the regular season title (at least finish top 2-3) and make the conference championship game, and for some of you, I think it was championship or bust, and that is just not realistic.
As for loser mentality, I don't think you know me very well or at least haven't been reading my posts over the years.
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Post by yoteforever on Mar 4, 2014 9:00:03 GMT -6
What really makes this tough, is as we have stated before, Joey is one hell of a guy. I love the guy personally, and he has done everything you can do to contact the alumni, involve the boosters and students, and any other thing that Boots didn't do. That just plain makes it tough to make a change.
I know I will get beat up for this, but I'm going to make a case this is similar to when Meierkort was fired, and the was some people guessing Wes might get the job. Most everybody felt he wasn't ready. Period. No one at all questioned his charecter, just his experience.i. However, for arguments sake, let's say Meierkort had been fired on August 10th due to improprieties, my guess is the AD would have laid the interim tag on Wes. Wes wasn't ready, and maybe never will be, I don't know, but the point is he would have been the man if that had played out. Once again, no one would have questioned Wes's dedication, and his love for the Coyotes. He is after all arguably one of the best players in the history of the program. But not one soul would have endorsed him. I see the James hire as similar. He was thrust into his role, and Yote53, you're right, one day he goes to work and the job is his. And it's a mess. Has Joey done a good job of handling the mess? I think a great job. But where I differ is when you say they are Boots players. Boots abused USD the past few years, and he left the recruiting process to James. And truthfully it think Joey got the best he could. He just doesn't have as wide a net to cast to recruit on a larger scale. Does that make him a bad coach? No. Does that make him ready to be a head coach? I'm not certain.
If the world were perfect, we would hire a top notch assistant coach at a successful program, that has the ability to bring in talent quick like to make us competitive. The last two games we haven' even been competitive, and the one poster hints the team has given up on him. Again, I don't know that's right, but if it is, and Herbster would know, that doesn't bode well for Joey. Like it or not, we have an arena to build, we are $9M short, we need to sell tickets, and we have an apathetic fan base. Add it all up, and I think we need to do something outstanding. Make a splash.
Paying Joey $250,000 or any other coach for that matter doesn't matter if we don't hire the right coach. The coaching profession is tough, and you have to walk a fine line.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 4, 2014 10:41:31 GMT -6
I am sorry for the way that was written, Yote53. I didn't mean you had a loser mentality, just that your post above had the sound of a defeatist mentality.
At the end of the day, this is not an indictment of Joey, it is a question of process and fairness. It was never for Boots to pick his successor. Herbster is the AD and it is his job to handle coaching hires. He is entitled to the opportunity to conduct his due diligence.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 4, 2014 12:26:03 GMT -6
Guys, end the charade. Herbster is not the scape goat here. He is doing a fine job and has been dealt a hell of a bad hand. Boot intentionally stewed the school over for the last time. I know he has told people that he would have quit on the first day of the season if it meant that Joey got the job. This was his plan. Herbster's ability to conduct his due diligence and do a national search was hijacked. The basketball arena is going to break ground in May. Count on it. The project is still short about $9M in unconfirmed funds. They are working to resolve this. It has been in all of the papers multiple times and the story has been uniform. People are reading what they want to read. News flash - we are in the big boy leagues now. If you don't think USD is CAPABLE (note that I did not say "willing") of paying $250K, then you are living in the dark ages. I am certain that we would find the funds and be capable of paying it to the right guy. For goodness sake, we are going to be opening a $65M basketball facility. This price tag for a capable coach is almost a prerequisite cost. If we get the right guy, that salary will have been worth it and the success will pay for itself. Miller is an intriguing name. I stand by my suggestion of Craig Smith from Nebraska, even if it is a long shot. I know of another local kid, that will remain nameless, who would be willing to be an assistant, if the right coach is hired. I could definitely see Herbster reaching out to Bo Ryan for suggestions from his coaching tree. The same goes for all of the other coaches around the country that he has come into contact with over the years. In addition, I have heard the names of a couple other assistant coaches from big programs that threw their names into the ring shortly after Boots resigned. Herbster is a basketball guy! This is his time to shine. Yote 53, this is not supposed to be a shot at you, but your comments above about our inability to get the right guy are comments from a "loser mentality." We do not have to settle. There is somebody out there that is a fit for the program, but if we don't give Herbster the resources, support and the opportunity to conduct a search, then we are dooming ourselves from the start. We might as well just give up because it is too hard... Craig Smith is a name that is exactly what I want here. Top assistant at a major program, with lots of connections. I continue to suggest Ryan Miller, because I feel it is for more likely since he has more local ties. Joey is a great guy, but we need someone with a LOT more connections. These kinds of assistants will provide exactly those. We are getting quite close to decision time on this, most coaching hires are made at the end of March/first week of April.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 4, 2014 13:14:33 GMT -6
As for casting a wider recruiting net, I'm not buying that. This roster has players from New York City and even farther away.
I will agree that the AD never had his chance to do due diligence.
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Post by sd4life on Mar 4, 2014 13:22:12 GMT -6
I live in Vermillion and have not heard one word about the status of the arena. Joey may be a nice guy, but I don't think he has really done anything to deserve having the interim tag removed.
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Post by canislatrans on Mar 6, 2014 8:18:25 GMT -6
My 2 cents on the Mens BB Coaching:
1) David Herbster is not going to be short-changed on selection of a coach, for any program, but especially BB. The timing is never good, and it's also never really bad. Yeah, it didn't leave Herbster much choice for this season, but on the other hand it gives him plenty of time for the process for next season. He said at the time he would do a national search, and my guess is that he has done a lot of work on that during the course of the season. 2) Joey James is still coaching, and should, and I think will, be given a full evaluation, including the SL Tourney, which by the way, as I see it, the Yotes have a better shot this year than last at making some noise. We defeated all but the State schools, we were close in a game with each of them. We played Kansas State, Green Bay, Wyoming, Canisius very close. I know we have to get to the level, where we close these type of games out, but I agree with Joey, that we have a young team and in a 3-game season, hey, you never know! 3) I agree with other posters that Boots' late announced retirement didn't really provide such a great 'gift' to James in that he had a young team to work with in what is realistically a 1 year trial. 4) I think that recruiting, as is the case for all college coaches, will be the key in next coach selection. I don't know anything about James' impact on recruiting, nor any of the names mentioned in that regard, so I will just wait on that process.
One other note on Herbster, and the whole AD department. I have been pleasantly surprised about how responsive they are to emails, correspondence, and face-to-face contacts with me, just a humble, low-level Howling Pack member.
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Post by sleuth on Mar 6, 2014 11:55:25 GMT -6
In my earlier post I think I was a little hard on Joey. It was just a little frustrating to get run out of the gym by NDSU and SDSU. We have been more competitive this year but losses are losses. If they gave him a 1 year contract to see if he could get over the hump next year I wouldn't be disappointed, but I wouldn't mind them doing a national search for next years coach either. A different coach doesn't make us an automatic contender but a different look isn't always bad. We won more games this year than we did last year. We were much more competitive in a lot of games this year (even Scott Nagy acknowledged that as well as the K-State coach). We finished the regular season 2 spots higher than we did last year in the SL, so if we make it to the SL championship its gonna be pretty hard not to give him the job.
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