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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 19, 2014 9:20:32 GMT -6
Why renovate under the main grandstand when all new offices, locker rooms, weight rooms, etc should go under the newly constructed grandstand on the other side? I suppose now that some of the other sports have moved out that the underneath of the main grandstand could be renovated but, personally, I'd like to see that side dedicated to other sports and make the new grandstand side football specific.
You can argue that recent attendance doesn't warrant Dome expansion, however, I will argue that we better expand our attendance or we are doomed, so just get it built already.
Another area that is grossly deficient is the trainers area. Wow that place is small. They do an incredible job serving the amount of athletes they do with the resources they have. I will assume that will change as they should be moving to the new connector building, although I don't have specifics.
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 19, 2014 9:25:52 GMT -6
Why renovate under the main grandstand when all new offices, locker rooms, weight rooms, etc should go under the newly constructed grandstand on the other side? I suppose now that some of the other sports have moved out that the underneath of the main grandstand could be renovated but, personally, I'd like to see that side dedicated to other sports and make the new grandstand side football specific. You can argue that recent attendance doesn't warrant Dome expansion, however, I will argue that we better expand our attendance or we are doomed, so just get it built already. Another area that is grossly deficient is the trainers area. Wow that place is small. They do an incredible job serving the amount of athletes they do with the resources they have. I will assume that will change as they should be moving to the new connector building, although I don't have specifics. Because of Sanford's generous gift, that portion of the plan from what I have been told, will be top drawer. Large rooms, plenty of training space, and things that they now don't have, such as X-ray machines, and others used for instant testing. If we fail in this area, then many people will be upset. I think this area is covered. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 19, 2014 9:30:36 GMT -6
What exactly was supposed to be done in terms of Dome improvements before they were cut from the plans? nccyote, All I can do is tell you what was said to me when they made their call on me. I'll probably miss some stuff but I'll give you what I recall. To start with, they were going to put permenant bleachers on the west side, matching the east. In essence, it would look a lot like UNI. That's what scares me now, is we just put money in for new bleachers, which I think is their idea of a temporary band aid on the situation. Next, and you have to realize that the Arena plans have changed, but when it was scheduled to be deeper than now what is planned, there was a drawing I saw that had brand new football offices on the southwest corner of the Dome, complete with several meeting rooms, film, lounge, etc. Part of those offices were in the new building, and they were knocking a hole in between the two, and I remember that the head coaches office sorta sat on top of the field. Hard to explain, but imagine walking In to the head coaches office from the south/southwest, and it was a pretty good sized office, and the windows were covered with curtains. If you drew back the curtains, you were looking down onto the playing surface of the Dome. Pretty cool. I think there were 12 offices, 4 film rooms, a lounge, a reception area, and the head coaches office if I remember correctly. But it was all upstairs and partially connected to the Arena. To me, that was pretty impressive. The head coaches office in particular was cool, as like I said, when you drew back the curtains you would look down on the surface of the football field. The schematic I saw then showed the field at night, backlit in a cool way, and was dang impressive. This is the plan that many of us made our pledge based on this. So when I tell you that there are a number of football players thinking about withdrawing their pledge because they have changed the plans so dramatically, I'm not kidding. By far and away, the largest group of former athletes making pledges are football players. Next has been track and field, cross country, and then men's basketball. That's the rub amongst the former footballers, is this plan was shelved, with nothing going to the Dome, and it upset a great deal of them, and understandably so. This is an issue that has to be dealt with. Personally speaking, I would understand if someone withdrew their pledge based on those facts. Hopefully you sorta get the picture of what was originally sold to us. As a former footballer myself I just have to say I am not surprised at any of this. Disappointed and getting to the point of maybe disillusioned, but not surprised. The Dome renovations you described are exactly what the program needs. Doubt I'll ever see it happen. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 19, 2014 9:32:22 GMT -6
Why renovate under the main grandstand when all new offices, locker rooms, weight rooms, etc should go under the newly constructed grandstand on the other side? I suppose now that some of the other sports have moved out that the underneath of the main grandstand could be renovated but, personally, I'd like to see that side dedicated to other sports and make the new grandstand side football specific. You can argue that recent attendance doesn't warrant Dome expansion, however, I will argue that we better expand our attendance or we are doomed, so just get it built already. Another area that is grossly deficient is the trainers area. Wow that place is small. They do an incredible job serving the amount of athletes they do with the resources they have. I will assume that will change as they should be moving to the new connector building, although I don't have specifics. Because of Sanford's generous gift, that portion of the plan from what I have been told, will be top drawer. Large rooms, plenty of training space, and things that they now don't have, such as X-ray machines, and others used for instant testing. If we fail in this area, then many people will be upset. I think this area is covered. Good to here that. The training staff is another group that has earned and deserves better facilities. |
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Post by yote14 on Dec 19, 2014 11:13:58 GMT -6
Great stuff guys. Hearing what we were thinking of doing gets me excited. I cant imagine what would happen if we actually put a plan together and made it public would do for donations.
We have had 5 years to develop this plan and I get that the Arena has taken the lead but there is no reason both could not have been planned in that long of a time span.
I truly hope the university is getting close to announcing a final plan within the next couple months for the Dome renovation and that it could be completed within the next 4 years or we may be the next UAB football program. Just seems poorly put together all around.
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Post by fightsd on Dec 19, 2014 11:43:34 GMT -6
Great stuff guys. Hearing what we were thinking of doing gets me excited. I cant imagine what would happen if we actually put a plan together and made it public would do for donations. We have had 5 years to develop this plan and I get that the Arena has taken the lead but there is no reason both could not have been planned in that long of a time span. I truly hope the university is getting close to announcing a final plan within the next couple months for the Dome renovation and that it could be completed within the next 4 years or we may be the next UAB football program. Just seems poorly put together all around. I would be absolutely shocked if we saw any kind of plan go public before the new arena is finished. Last I heard we were still substantially short of what we need to finish the arena project. I don't think we have the donor pool to try and fund two major projects at the same time. |
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Post by yote14 on Dec 19, 2014 13:23:49 GMT -6
Great stuff guys. Hearing what we were thinking of doing gets me excited. I cant imagine what would happen if we actually put a plan together and made it public would do for donations. We have had 5 years to develop this plan and I get that the Arena has taken the lead but there is no reason both could not have been planned in that long of a time span. I truly hope the university is getting close to announcing a final plan within the next couple months for the Dome renovation and that it could be completed within the next 4 years or we may be the next UAB football program. Just seems poorly put together all around. I would be absolutely shocked if we saw any kind of plan go public before the new arena is finished. Last I heard we were still substantially short of what we need to finish the arena project. I don't think we have the donor pool to try and fund two major projects at the same time. I do not disagree with anything you said. But how did the university think we could do it 2 years ago when the plan was put together and they were asking people for money to do it and showing them these renderings? There seems to be a huge lack of experience and competence with this whole project. The lack of information to the public only makes it worse and IMO is exactly why our donor pool is what it is. Because of who is running this shit show. Sorry if tha'ts too far but it's true. Can anyone tell me what we are using the $125 million we already have raised for?  ?? |
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Post by chuck on Dec 19, 2014 14:11:42 GMT -6
We are giving SDSU lots of credit on this board for their new indoor facility, which enhances their indoor football practice, weight room, and coaches offices. For this reason there seems to be a sentiment here that we are falling behind. Don't we already have an indoor football practice facility (the dome)? Also--when I looked at the arena plans hanging in the dome last night it included a new weight room and lots of coaches' offices. So when that is done I don't see a significant difference between USD-SDSU facilities. Am I missing something?
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Post by golfingyote on Dec 19, 2014 14:20:09 GMT -6
$125 million??? hmmm... I do agree that the information regarding the arena has not been timely or widely accessible to coyote nation as a whole. I also think that part of it was blown out of proportion. I mean the original plan changed so many times that no one knew what to believe or what the final product would actually look like. When everything was absolutely final, they did fine in getting sketches, visuals out to the public. Obviously its something very new to them as well, and props to Herbie for seeing ths thing through and getting shovels in the dirt when it seemed like a pipe dream for years and years.
As far as football renovations, obvously they are very needed, but its not possible while we are still using the dome for all sports so why get overly bent out of shape about it, not to mention donors being tapped out for the time being. As the arena comes close to completion and we are showing it off for its first season in '16, we can start talking about the dome and the many changes and $$$ we need to invest into it.
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Post by flashtaco on Dec 19, 2014 14:49:12 GMT -6
I would be absolutely shocked if we saw any kind of plan go public before the new arena is finished. Last I heard we were still substantially short of what we need to finish the arena project. I don't think we have the donor pool to try and fund two major projects at the same time. I do not disagree with anything you said. But how did the university think we could do it 2 years ago when the plan was put together and they were asking people for money to do it and showing them these renderings? There seems to be a huge lack of experience and competence with this whole project. The lack of information to the public only makes it worse and IMO is exactly why our donor pool is what it is. Because of who is running this shit show. Sorry if tha'ts too far but it's true. Can anyone tell me what we are using the $125 million we already have raised for? ?? [/quote The details of the campaign and use of funds are clearly stated in the foundation and university website. |
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Post by ctc2010 on Dec 19, 2014 15:01:24 GMT -6
$125 million??? hmmm... I do agree that the information regarding the arena has not been timely or widely accessible to coyote nation as a whole. I also think that part of it was blown out of proportion. I mean the original plan changed so many times that no one knew what to believe or what the final product would actually look like. When everything was absolutely final, they did fine in getting sketches, visuals out to the public. Obviously its something very new to them as well, and props to Herbie for seeing ths thing through and getting shovels in the dirt when it seemed like a pipe dream for years and years. As far as football renovations, obvously they are very needed, but its not possible while we are still using the dome for all sports so why get overly bent out of shape about it, not to mention donors being tapped out for the time being. As the arena comes close to completion and we are showing it off for its first season in '16, we can start talking about the dome and the many changes and $$$ we need to invest into it. I think people are just wanting to see that progress is being made, rather than waiting until the arena is done to start the planning |
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Post by yote14 on Dec 19, 2014 15:22:41 GMT -6
The problem with waiting to plan the Dome renovations until the arena is complete is it pushes it off that much further. Like someone else said how do you raise money for something now when you have no image of what it will be, how much it will cost or a goal of when it will be complete (2050?).
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Dec 19, 2014 22:08:15 GMT -6
You need to stop. The hyperbolic posts in every single thread are getting old.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 20, 2014 9:53:55 GMT -6
Only the most serious of posts will satisfy Cuz. There is no room for any fanatical posts on this fan board.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Dec 20, 2014 17:50:19 GMT -6
Fair enough. I like to read content with a semblance of practicality.
This is a public board. Irrational comments make us look bad.
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