obc
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Post by obc on Nov 15, 2014 21:22:36 GMT -6
I agree - the Redbirds were a superior team across the board. That offensive line was the best I have seen in person since we joined the MVFC. Having that physical push up front combined with explosive offensive players and they were too much.
The Yotes played very hard most of the game. That was good to see, but I also expect that - 100% of the time. That needs to be the standard rather than something we hope to see every once in a while. It was also great to see the defense playing with an intensity and desire to create take-always.
The team once again came out flat and didn't get it together until the game was approaching out of hand status.
USDs offensive line was not particularly strong (compared to the rest of the MVFC) when the season started. With the injuries - OC, and both OT out - they don't get much of a push and struggle to give Earl time to complete passes. We will never be a top half team in the MVFC without a physically capable OL.
With that line - I was surprised Wes kept dialing up 5 and 7 step drop pass plays. The OL could not protect Earl. Quick three step drops actually did work and gave us a chance. Would be curious what others thought about this. IMO those big losses Earl took getting sacked were pretty devastating.
Did we really not have a backup kicker dressed for the game? That is a head scratcher for me if they didn't. I think the backup kicker had to go to the locker room and dress mid game and got warmed up after halftime.
The WR's left a lot of first downs out there with drops. If memory serves right at least four that would have moved the chains. Earl played better IMO than what the box score shows.
The DB unit struggles to cover receivers. Inaccurate throws by the QB have been our saving grace more often than good coverage.
I don't think I have seen a USD team with this many injuries. Looks like Matt Huffer and Steve Tellefson had major injuries today. They would be more big losses to an already battered roster.
Regardless of who is to blame, the last three years results on the field are not satisfactory and should not be allowed to continue as is. Hard, maybe impossible, to grow attendance when USD wins one game at home in a season and no conference wins. Frankly it is hard to watch even if you are a die-hard supporter.
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Post by coyote70 on Nov 15, 2014 21:29:23 GMT -6
I still feel the Coyotes lack talent, especially in the skill positions such as DB and WR. Simply put, we need to cast a much wider net when it comes to recruiting players.
Here's the crux: I'm starting to question whether the current coaching staff can get the job done in this department. Sure, most of the players we would like to recruit will go elsewhere. Time to double-down and get the prospect that is a diamond in the rough. In fact, we need many in that category. Do our coaches have the "talent" to recruit these players? I am beginning to doubt it.
Money to travel and visit recruits may be a problem - I don't know, but I'll continue as always to be a Howling Pack member and attend a game or two each year despite the distance. No matter what: good coach/bad coach, good team/bad team I'm an alum of the best university around and I am supporting this team maybe even more ardently in bad times such as now.
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5mill
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Post by 5mill on Nov 16, 2014 23:07:03 GMT -6
I wish the USD fans could speak to the players that have been within this program the last 3 years regarding the troubles within the USD locker room. The BIGGEST problem is Wesley Beschorner. He's got to go. Not one of the players respect him. All of the coaches on the staff are coaches that Glenn is giving "a start at coaching" a chance on. The recruits are not being told the truth & it is because, what Glenn is telling & what is happening is not the same. The kids' do not have a training table, all they have is muscle milk. The players speak very highly of Coach Petrino, Coach Williams & Coach Glenn, when it comes to a strong support system, but Glenn has given the "reigns of the team to Beschorner", which is a joke. What is upsetting is, is the fact that they have the talent within the team, they do not know how to use them. Coach Beschorner is coaching as if he was the quarterback & is not changing the plays to match the talent. This last Saturday was a huge disappointment, but the kids never gave up. It's sad - unless some of these coaches are fired, these kids will never be able to play at their potential. Most of these kids were the top players in their respective states & most of them were the best from where they came from. There was no back up kicker. I also know that there is no one to help the kickers in getting better. I am perplexed at the way this has all been ran. Another thing, Joe Glenn never wears a headset?!! Not impressed about that at all. Joe is just the PR man!! He needs to take reign of this team & get rid of Beschorner....
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 17, 2014 1:40:23 GMT -6
One of the troubling aspects of a fan board is knowing or not knowing if there is validity to claims that are made regarding the mental disposition of the team. Your statement and accusation regarding Wes is alarming, and one that should be taken seriously. The is a general disconnect between the staff and the players, that is highly evident.
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obc
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Post by obc on Nov 17, 2014 6:56:10 GMT -6
One of the troubling aspects of a fan board is knowing or not knowing if there is validity to claims that are made regarding the mental disposition of the team. Your statement and accusation regarding Wes is alarming, and one that should be taken seriously. The is a general disconnect between the staff and the players, that is highly evident. I really wish that the outgoing Seniors had exit interviews with President Abbott. He is the only leader that I trust to take any information he hears and do something. If anyone on here has a strong relationship with him, I would ask that you suggest this. It is vital to get to the bottom of these rumors. The product on the field leads me to believe it is more than lack of talent. I have heard similar remarks that the new poster stated from people involved in the program under Glenn. Troubling! |
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Post by fightsd on Nov 17, 2014 8:02:56 GMT -6
I wish the USD fans could speak to the players that have been within this program the last 3 years regarding the troubles within the USD locker room. The BIGGEST problem is Wesley Beschorner. He's got to go. Not one of the players respect him. All of the coaches on the staff are coaches that Glenn is giving "a start at coaching" a chance on. The recruits are not being told the truth & it is because, what Glenn is telling & what is happening is not the same. The kids' do not have a training table, all they have is muscle milk. The players speak very highly of Coach Petrino, Coach Williams & Coach Glenn, when it comes to a strong support system, but Glenn has given the "reigns of the team to Beschorner", which is a joke. What is upsetting is, is the fact that they have the talent within the team, they do not know how to use them. Coach Beschorner is coaching as if he was the quarterback & is not changing the plays to match the talent. This last Saturday was a huge disappointment, but the kids never gave up. It's sad - unless some of these coaches are fired, these kids will never be able to play at their potential. Most of these kids were the top players in their respective states & most of them were the best from where they came from. There was no back up kicker. I also know that there is no one to help the kickers in getting better. I am perplexed at the way this has all been ran. Another thing, Joe Glenn never wears a headset?!! Not impressed about that at all. Joe is just the PR man!! He needs to take reign of this team & get rid of Beschorner.... Nice first post. Disgruntled coyote dad? I hope for the team's sake you're not. The last thing we need is our players being told how great they are at home and hearing their parents say,"it's not your fault, it's Wesley's." |
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Post by ctc2010 on Nov 17, 2014 8:55:28 GMT -6
On a more related note, can anybody give a legitimate explanation as to why we tried that PAT when down 10 in the 4th quarter!?
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 17, 2014 11:05:00 GMT -6
First off, anytime a team is mired in a losing skid like this team is, eventually there is going to be in-fighting, finger pointing, etc. It just comes with the territory.
I don't know if the previous posters claims are all true but there is some validity to some of what he is saying. Case in point:
- No training table. I don't think USD has ever had an athlete's only training table. I don't even know if that is common amongst any of the other teams in the MVFC. I don't know why someone would come to expect a training table unless they were told as a recruit that USD had one. As far as I have ever known going back to my days here, the athletes have eaten at the student dining halls with every other student. Now, if it was allowed to have a training table and every other school has one I can tell you why USD doesn't...money.
- No backup kicker and no coaches to help them get better. As to the first part, the backup kicker is a redshirt walk-on. He was in street clothes and had to go dress at halftime to come into the game, got his redshirt pulled that game. You can ask, why do we not have another kicker on scholarship? I would answer, how often does you kicker suffer a concussion? (Only if he plays for USD where every player gets concussed.) When building a team that lacks depth I would probably spend a much valued scholarship on another position and not a backup kicker. So yeah, I can't really fault Joe for that situation.
- As to the second part about no coaches to help them get better...money.
- Finally, as to the part about these players being the best on their teams, areas, etc. I got news for you, we all were at one time. Every player that has come through USD excelled while in high school, that's how you end up on a college roster with a scholarship. Now, one can question whether we are recruiting right. I can honestly tell you this, no way in 100 years should have we beat that Illinois State team. They were flat out bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic than the USD boys. Probably the best offense I have ever seen come into the Dome. I think they are a better team than NDSU. NDSU has a better defense, but wow would that be a heck of a game. Point is, our boys just aren't as good as the top teams in the MVFC. I thought we were good after some early season matchups against NAU and Montana, but no, the BSC conference is just that weak. The top of the MFVC is loaded and we don't have what it takes to compete right now. We need to recruit better and develop our players better.
I'm not going to speculate on what is going on internally now as the season is not over and we need to focus on getting ready for STATE. There will be plenty of time for that after Saturday. What I do know is this football program needs more support, facility-wise and financially.
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Post by yote14 on Nov 17, 2014 11:08:28 GMT -6
I wish the USD fans could speak to the players that have been within this program the last 3 years regarding the troubles within the USD locker room. The BIGGEST problem is Wesley Beschorner. He's got to go. Not one of the players respect him. All of the coaches on the staff are coaches that Glenn is giving "a start at coaching" a chance on. The recruits are not being told the truth & it is because, what Glenn is telling & what is happening is not the same. The kids' do not have a training table, all they have is muscle milk. The players speak very highly of Coach Petrino, Coach Williams & Coach Glenn, when it comes to a strong support system, but Glenn has given the "reigns of the team to Beschorner", which is a joke. What is upsetting is, is the fact that they have the talent within the team, they do not know how to use them. Coach Beschorner is coaching as if he was the quarterback & is not changing the plays to match the talent. This last Saturday was a huge disappointment, but the kids never gave up. It's sad - unless some of these coaches are fired, these kids will never be able to play at their potential. Most of these kids were the top players in their respective states & most of them were the best from where they came from. There was no back up kicker. I also know that there is no one to help the kickers in getting better. I am perplexed at the way this has all been ran. Another thing, Joe Glenn never wears a headset?!! Not impressed about that at all. Joe is just the PR man!! He needs to take reign of this team & get rid of Beschorner.... Nice first post. Disgruntled coyote dad? I hope for the team's sake you're not. The last thing we need is our players being told how great they are at home and hearing their parents say,"it's not your fault, it's Wesley's." I have heard a lot of the same concerns 5mill is bringing up. I do not know if they are true or not but regardless if there is smoke there is fire. I look at it as if nothing 5 mill is saying is true and all I hear is we have the talent than what is the problem if its not coaching? I agree, in my opinoin its not coach Glenn. The biggest disapointment is the offense. Its horrible. Even in a game where we have 8 rushing yards in the 4th quarter Wes is still trying to pound the ball up the middle on first down. Any of the plays that had success Saturday where plays I have not seen us run all year or very little all year. I sat at the Dome again on Saturday predicting ever first down play with almost 100% success. I also predicted every crucial 3rd down play. If I can call the play that often so can the opposing team's defense. Like I said I do not know if its true or not but I have heard the same thing all season long from multiple people that there is a huge lack of confindence in Wes by the team. |
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Post by golfingyote on Nov 17, 2014 11:10:28 GMT -6
On a more related note, can anybody give a legitimate explanation as to why we tried that PAT when down 10 in the 4th quarter!? That decision Blew my mind. Talk about a conversion nightmare all day long. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 17, 2014 11:20:56 GMT -6
Yote14, I want you to look at this from another perspective. Maybe the play calling is fine. Nothing wrong with running on first down, get some positive yardage so you are not put behind the sticks and in 2nd/3rd and long situations. I mean, crap, we took enough sacks so pass blocking wasn't working either. I can totally nderstand running the dang ball! Maybe the play calling is fine (the message) but it is the OC that is the problem (the messenger). You said the kids don't believe in him. Well, in order to be successful in this game you have to believe, and execute, and believe that what you are doing is right and then execute it.
Just saying that it is also on the players to execute the plays. But yeah, if you don't believe, then well, the well may be poisoned already so to speak.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 17, 2014 11:22:03 GMT -6
On a more related note, can anybody give a legitimate explanation as to why we tried that PAT when down 10 in the 4th quarter!? That decision Blew my mind. Talk about a conversion nightmare all day long. Shoulda went for 2 there to get down by 8. Shook my head as well. |
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Post by yote14 on Nov 17, 2014 11:22:57 GMT -6
I would also ask everyone whether they think the lack of financial commitment to the football program and athletics in general is because we flat out do not have the money? Or is it because we are choosing to put that money elsewhere.
My opinion from what I know is this. We obviously do not have the money coming in like NDSU does for athletics.
I feel like we could commit the money it takes to coaches salaries, hiring more assistant coaches for football and getting the dome renovations completed but USD has always chose not to commit that type of money to those programs and build our endowment funds up. We have one of the newest and nicest campuses in the area. How does none of this fall over to our athletics?
Make the commitment or fans will not follow. We already see it in this blog. Fans want to follow USD but the univesity is making it very difficult with the lack of commitment they are making. We have been lucky that in the past we have had some success in athletics without making the financial commitment. That will not continue at this level. If we are not careful we will lose every amount of support we have worked so hard to gain in the past 10 years.
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Post by yote14 on Nov 17, 2014 11:27:22 GMT -6
I agree with you Yote53 if it is working or has worked at all this season other than against William Penn. But for the most part all year it has not worked. After 11 games and having our 4 string running back starting we need to change it up on first down.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 17, 2014 11:41:30 GMT -6
Shoot Yote14, my problem with the offense all season is that we never established an identity. I don't think we ran the ball enough to establish an identity! It has just felt like what we run is a collection of plays that don't really have a rhyme or reason. Break down an offense on film sometime. You will see offenses run an offensive system, plays designed to set up other ploss and work off of each other. Perfect example of that was watching a breakdown of the Browns offense yesterday on Countdown. Their running game sets up their passing game. The presnap and immediate psot snap look gives every indication of run and then, boink, nice pass play. The Gophers killed Iowa with it all day long two weeks ago.
We have no offensive identity. We have no system. Just some plays strung together.
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