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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 9, 2017 18:09:06 GMT -6
I think it is ironic that during the Nebraska game that coach Miles was jokingly saying that he wasn't ready to give his job up to coach Smith just yet. He is actually barely holding onto his own job at Nebraska and many of the media were thinking he was going to be fired but their AD after being very quite about it indicated that Miles would basically be back next year. If he doesn't get things going he will almost certainly be gone after next year. Smith on the other hand certainly raised his stock since that game in Lincoln.
For Smith to move to a job close to the same level as what he has now or higher he is going to have to prove himself a little longer than just this year. Now if he had done this the first two years he was with USD than it may be a different story. If Smith is going to move to either an elite mid major job or a high major job he would probably need at least one NCAA tourney appearance to be too seriously considered. I don't consider Drake either of those. The salary would be higher obviously but I think we are fairly safe with Smith for 2 more years unless he would win the NIT this year or make the NCAA Tourney next year and make the sweet sixteen. Smith just simply needs more time of success before his stock would get to the point that we would be in serious trouble of losing him. I just don't see Smith leaving for a lateral move or a small upgrade. I would consider Drake a small upgrade but he would be taking a step backwards in building a program and they would probably be 2 years behind where the Coyotes will be next year. Having the new arena could have netted us better players and netted us a little more time with Smith then we would have otherwise had.
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Post by easmus on Mar 9, 2017 20:43:05 GMT -6
I have a hard time believing he would leave so quickly after just getting his own guys. But I could be wrong.
He could probably cash in somewhere like Drake and double his $. But would the cost of living e higher? Taxes certainly are. Would his facilities be better? Does an administration support the athletic department better? Vermillion has its downsides, but it is cheap, has good facilities, and he may not leave for just anything.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 9, 2017 21:43:31 GMT -6
We can stamp this one out. Our only source here is a twitter profile that has been active for four days, our media guys are completely in the dark on any rumors, and I'm hearing second hand that Smith doesn't even know how his name got thrown into the ring for the Drake job. With success at the mid-major level comes rumors surrounding our head coach, but this one is unsubstantiated and it sounds like Smith has no plans on leaving.
If/when we do lose Smith to a more premier job it almost certainly won't be to a program like Drake. Gotta use our heads guys, Smith is just getting started at USD.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 10, 2017 10:03:30 GMT -6
I will be absolutely SHOCKED if Smith doesn't get a nice pay bump this year. I would suspect something in the range around what TJ got from State and what Nielson is making.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 10, 2017 11:14:28 GMT -6
He probably got some incentive bonuses for winning the conference, right? Agree that his base salary needs to be bumped up.
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Post by yotesbacker on Mar 15, 2017 9:54:22 GMT -6
Smith deserves a big bump, but remember the State is looking at a 50M revenue shortfall in the budget. Not saying nobody can get a raise, but you have to consider the optics when the taxpayers see somebody getting a big raise. Need to be discreet and creative. Not that easy but I hope doable.
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Post by lakesbison on Mar 15, 2017 21:55:58 GMT -6
I have a hard time believing he would leave so quickly after just getting his own guys. But I could be wrong.
He could probably cash in somewhere like Drake and double his $. But would the cost of living e higher? Taxes certainly are. Would his facilities be better? Does an administration support the athletic department better? Vermillion has its downsides, but it is cheap, has good facilities, and he may not leave for just anything. Youre wrong.. If you get an offer at MVC or MAC or MWC basketball gig for $400-500k a year. YOU GONE ASAP.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 15, 2017 22:33:14 GMT -6
Not if it's Drake...
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 16, 2017 0:22:30 GMT -6
I have a hard time believing he would leave so quickly after just getting his own guys. But I could be wrong.
He could probably cash in somewhere like Drake and double his $. But would the cost of living e higher? Taxes certainly are. Would his facilities be better? Does an administration support the athletic department better? Vermillion has its downsides, but it is cheap, has good facilities, and he may not leave for just anything. Youre wrong.. If you get an offer at MVC or MAC or MWC basketball gig for $400-500k a year. YOU GONE ASAP. The MVC is not the big bump up that it used to be. If Smith gets raised to 300K a year (but maybe that is too much for USD) and Drake only offered 100K plus change more than I don't see him leaving. What is so great about the MAC by the way. The Mountain West might be the most intriguing but honestly is a program that is a significant raise in stature going to really want to hire Smith after just one good year. We all like what Smith has done but if I am a program like New Mexico or UNLV and I needed a coach is a Summit Coach with one good year under his belt the choice. I don't think so just yet. Smith still needs to prove himself longer and I certainly hope he does that. The Missouri Valley is ok but honestly what is there after Wichita, UNI and maybe Illinois State. To me kind of blah. Soutern Illinois - maybe Loyola-Chicago - no way Missouri State - who cares Bradley - ok but I wouldn't leave USD for them Evansville - another who cares Indiana State - other then Larry Bird this school is irrelevant and has been for decades. IPFW is as relevant in Indiana and better than the Sycamores. Drake - nope two-thirds of the Valley isn't that great. If Wichita leaves that conference could be in big trouble and the Summit would arguably be at the same level or better.
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Post by howlincoyote on Mar 16, 2017 14:38:47 GMT -6
My guess is that if Coach Smith had made the Big Dance this year, we all might be sweating a little bit more. 3-year turnaround to go from lower-tier team in our conference to conference champs and NCAA Tourney team... That would look really, really nice to a program in pretty desperate need of a turnaround.
I think someone may have mentioned it, but my guess is Coach Smith takes his chances with another season or two here trying to make a Tourney appearance and then hopes for a bigger jump or better overall situation than Drake.
Then again, Daum is around for 2 more years too. I'd love to think we'll be better as an overall team than SDSU over these next two seasons, but I think we were better prepared and better coached than the bunnies this year too and they still got us 2 out of 3 times, including the one that mattered most. Maybe the idea of trying to overcome the bunnies - blue and yellow and black-and-white striped - in the SLT over the next two seasons isn't as appealing to Coach Smith as a chance to lock in $400-$500k for a few years at a program like Drake in a higher-profile conference.
Who knows? Bottom line is that I'll be surprised if Coach Smith were to be offered and accept the Drake job, but it wouldn't be the craziest thing I've ever seen. Just ask my college roommates.
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Post by usdguy99 on Mar 16, 2017 15:21:47 GMT -6
From Hoopdirt.com....
Yesterday, I mentioned Ryan Pedon as a possibility at Miami (OH) (Daily Dirt 3/15/16). Another name that I’ve heard is South Dakota head coach Craig Smith. The former NAIA National Coach of the Year at Mayville State won 22 games this season at USD. Interesting connection here – the associate AD at South Dakota is the son of Jeff Schemmel, the guy who runs CSS (the search firm handling the Miami search).
Along with David Sayler being there.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 16, 2017 16:29:55 GMT -6
Smith will wait for the right opportunity. He has a great young squad that he loves coaching, he knows he is setup very well for the next couple years and has the ability to be selective.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 16, 2017 16:34:19 GMT -6
From Hoopdirt.com.... Yesterday, I mentioned Ryan Pedon as a possibility at Miami (OH) (Daily Dirt 3/15/16). Another name that I’ve heard is South Dakota head coach Craig Smith. The former NAIA National Coach of the Year at Mayville State won 22 games this season at USD. Interesting connection here – the associate AD at South Dakota is the son of Jeff Schemmel, the guy who runs CSS (the search firm handling the Miami search). Along with David Sayler being there. Is Miami of Ohio really a jump up. I would consider that a lateral move that may actually hurt Smith's chances to get to a real bump up more then help him. He may have to start over a rebuilding process again. Smith should just stay a couple of more years in Vermillion and hope to make the NCAA tourney. If he does that then some serious opportunities may be available. Knowing the Coyotes luck with coaches it's typcial that as soon as someone proves themselves they are out the door. It would be nice if Smith would stay several years and make USD a mid major power.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 17, 2017 15:36:32 GMT -6
In terms of RPI, this year, the MAC (Miami's conference) is lower than the MVC (Drake). According to this: www.bizjournals.com/dayton/datacenter/miami-university-employee-salary-database-updated.htmlMiami's Football HC gets paid $466K (2015). The basketball coach gets paid $254K. Consider me unconcerned about Miami. Frankly, Drake seems like a better job and fit for Smith than Miami (OH), and I don't see him going to Drake either. Just my personal opinion. According to this site, the salary of the Drake HC was estimated at $400K: www.pjstarforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=99572Making a completely uninformed assumption that Smith will get bumped to around $300K, I don't see a scenario where he goes to Drake for a $100K pay bump and the risk that the conference falls apart if (when) WSU leaves for greener pastures. Hell, Illinois State just won 28 games and wasn't able to get an NCAA at large bid. Smith is no dummie. You have Matt Mooney and 3 other starters coming back from a 20 win team. If he believes in what he is doing (which he should), then he should reasonably believe that the team should be better than this year and he will have greater opportunities next year. After that, all bets are off. It is the life of a Mid-Major in today's era.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 17, 2017 15:48:48 GMT -6
Agreed that after 4 years all bets are off. Not concerned right now, but a repeat Summit title and Smith should have some legitimately enticing offers on the table.
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