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Post by Yotes on Mar 21, 2017 19:06:42 GMT -6
I thought it was crazy when I first heard the news. Not that he's not deserving, but that I thought he'd be around a couple more years. I still assume he'll just use this as leverage for a new contract, but maybe he wants to get out when his team is doing well. It's going to be tough to win in Sioux Falls against Daum and the SDSU crowd for at least the next couple of years and he has to think about that. I think fans should be hammering him for a message to the University that he's staying. I also wonder if this will hurt recruiting at all considering he'll likely be gone in the next couple of years. Likely the same thing can be said about Otzelberger and that's the worst thing about being a mid-major. Thing is, he doesn't need to worry about jumping before a possible dip in his team's performance because he returns so much young talent. He's not skipping town because the cupboard is coming bare. It's gotta be either leverage or legitimate interest. Does anyone actually know his contract situation? If he is still on a single year contract then we have to do something about that.
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Post by usdcoyote on Mar 21, 2017 19:31:17 GMT -6
I thought it was crazy when I first heard the news. Not that he's not deserving, but that I thought he'd be around a couple more years. I still assume he'll just use this as leverage for a new contract, but maybe he wants to get out when his team is doing well. It's going to be tough to win in Sioux Falls against Daum and the SDSU crowd for at least the next couple of years and he has to think about that. I think fans should be hammering him for a message to the University that he's staying. I also wonder if this will hurt recruiting at all considering he'll likely be gone in the next couple of years. Likely the same thing can be said about Otzelberger and that's the worst thing about being a mid-major. Thing is, he doesn't need to worry about jumping before a possible dip in his team's performance because he returns so much young talent. He's not skipping town because the cupboard is coming bare. It's gotta be either leverage or legitimate interest. Does anyone actually know his contract situation? If he is still on a single year contract then we have to do something about that. I do believe he's on a single year contract. This is more than leverage. We are in big trouble of losing him.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 21, 2017 20:22:44 GMT -6
IMO... These teams should be looking at Otz. Look at all the success he had this year... Righting the ship mid-season and taking the bunnies to the Dance in his first year. Heck, it took Coach Smith three years to make it to the post season. Otz is clearly a better coach... We better hang on to Smith a couple more years to let him continue developing his coaching style. It's a subject we will all be talking about after every moderately successful season because it is the way of life of the mid-majors. I have stated my opinion that AJ will be picky about where he would go based on the words of people who know him. But, I am surprised we aren't seeing rumors yet about his next coaching job. I expect him to coach elsewhere before his retirement, unless his goals are to move beyond coaching. I expect TJ's tenure at State to be short, especially if he can continue the success he had in the last third of the season. I think he will be back next year. But after that, if the Jackrabbits have a good season, who knows? One reason that I think Smith will move on if he has an opportunity to do so is that the conference will possibly be tougher next year and it could be very difficult to repeat or exceed this season's success. Another poor to mediocre season or two could spell a long tenure at USD. Sorry WRJ but gotta disagree with you on the last paragraph. The Coyotes are just beginning, not just a one year run where they have success and take a huge step backwards but of course that is assuming Smith stays. I agree that the Jacks will be good next year but what other team can make a legit claim to be an odds on favorite to finish higher than the Coyotes. For as good as Flack is, the rest of the team is one year older and wiser and better. The new recruits won't be any worse than the players that the Coyotes are rostering right now which are pretty good themselves. So you say another poor or mediocre season could spell a long tenure at USD. I don't buy that either. If this does turn into a 1 year wonder and the Coyotes regress (which I don't think will happen) then Smith would probably be out at USD anyway. Because of one good year it is not like he will have a 10 year buffer if the program somehow goes downhill. As neutral as you may try to be you still have a Jackrabbit bias. It seems like what you are saying is that if Smith does well he will leave but if he sucks he will remain at USD as long as he wants. It is funny and ironic how things work sometimes. We are worried about losing him now but if the Coyotes did not take a step forward this year we are probably talking now about whether he would get one more year to turn it around. It is a "what have you done for me lately" profession.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 21, 2017 20:36:46 GMT -6
Thing is, he doesn't need to worry about jumping before a possible dip in his team's performance because he returns so much young talent. He's not skipping town because the cupboard is coming bare. It's gotta be either leverage or legitimate interest. Does anyone actually know his contract situation? If he is still on a single year contract then we have to do something about that. I do believe he's on a single year contract. This is more than leverage. We are in big trouble of losing him. I will say this much. I feel like I can get a read on people most of the time and Smith really seems like he likes coaching this team and really likes what is going on at USD with the new arena, athletic department and so forth. Sometimes it can be coaches speak and can be legit with the sincerity and they still end up leaving but I have a feeling Smith stays, just as I had a feeling that Amy would leave because it was her alma mater and it was a power 5 conference. If USD didn't do what it has recently done to be more desirable I could totally believe that he would jump to Drake in a heart beat. Unless Drake offers way more then what USD would offer I think he stays. I don't really see Smith as a guy that is gonna jump at anything that comes up for a modest raise. Now if Drake offers 750K or more and USD offers 250K well than I guess we can probably say goodbye to Smith. If Drake offers 500K and USD offers 300-350K on a multi year deal I think Smith signs the dotted line to stay a Coyote for probably a couple of more years or more. The things with coaches though is that you really never know unless you are the wife and maybe even she doesn't know. This is kind of contradicting what I already said but coaches are always going to say the right thing but knowing what they are really thinking inside is difficult to gauge. With the way this season has gone I do not think Smith jumps to Drake even if offered but that is certainly not a given at this point.
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Post by canislatrans on Mar 21, 2017 21:50:45 GMT -6
Jacks fans make me laugh, I have no inside information on Coach Smith, but I can assure of one thing, the chances of the Coyotes having a down year in the next couple of years will not be a factor, at all in his decision. Did you even watch the Summit League this year?
Coach Smith is a great coach, and the reward for great coaching is you get offers. I wish him the best, he deserves it. I hope he stays because he has built us a championship team, but if he moves on, I have every confidence we will have a lot of great candidates rushing to get their names in to Herbster.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 21, 2017 23:55:30 GMT -6
On the bright side if Smith does leave then USD will kind of be a coaching factory. Ryun Williams, Amy Williams and possibly Craig Smith (but hope not). That is starting to become a trend. We will just figure out who the next John Calipari is hire him and let him have success for 3 or 4 years and then move on. As long that coach makes a NCAA Tourney or two before he leaves then that is fine with me. I want coach Smith to at least leave the legacy of being the coach to over see the first Coyote NCAA tourney. Hopefully he does that before moving on.
The bottom line is that USD better not change their hiring practices just because of being afraid to lose them. That change would be exactly the kind of coach that will do just enough to stick around for the next 15-20 years with .500 records every year. No thanks as I will gamble on greatness even if it doesn't last very long.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 22, 2017 7:39:38 GMT -6
Update from yesterday: KWSN Sioux Falls interviewed Andy Garman (KCCI Des Moines) about the Drake opening. Here's a link to the audio: kwsn.com/podcasts/sports-talk-with-kwsn/5093/how-attractive-is-drake-opening-to-coaching-candidates-like-craig-smith-andy-garmen-of-kcci-tv-join/Here's the Reader's Digest version:Says his sources tell him that many were interested and they have narrowed the list. Right now he is told the priority list is: 1. Craig Smith (USD) 2. Niko Medved (Furman) 3. Jeff Rutter (interim HC) but there could be more he doesn't know about. They are using a search firm. The Coyote's performance in the NIT turned a lot of heads in Iowa. They like the style of play and his coaching style. Confirmed there has been contact with Smith, and he either has or will be interviewed this week in Chicago. One of the reasons Drake has struggled is their academic requirements, and how that affects recruiting. Drake BB fans have become apathetic. Financial resources and facilities are good, so if they can get the right coach, they have a high ceiling. Should have hired Coach Otz 3 years ago. He would not be surprised if the hire was made this weekend / announced Monday.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 22, 2017 9:03:48 GMT -6
All of the sudden the Drake message board is saying it is DeVries from Creighton?
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Post by easmus on Mar 22, 2017 9:09:27 GMT -6
He would probably know more about the league and recruiting to it one would think.
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Post by canislatrans on Mar 22, 2017 10:53:47 GMT -6
Word is David Sayler might be looking at Coach Smith for Miami, OH opening.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 22, 2017 11:08:28 GMT -6
Both conferences (MVC and MAC) would be a small step up, but neither school is what I would call easy to recruit to. I'll be surprised if he goes to either.
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Post by jacksfan29 on Mar 22, 2017 11:41:52 GMT -6
IMO... These teams should be looking at Otz. Look at all the success he had this year... Righting the ship mid-season and taking the bunnies to the Dance in his first year. Heck, it took Coach Smith three years to make it to the post season. Otz is clearly a better coach... We better hang on to Smith a couple more years to let him continue developing his coaching style. You have a point. Otz has been to more NCAA tournaments then Smith. Just giving you crap, personally I think Smith would be crazy to leave. Mooney has two more years and he alone can keep USD near the top of the Summit. Drake is not a good job. Other then more money (with a higher cost of living) what does Drake offer that USD does not? USD will make a tourney appearance with Smith as head coach long before Drake makes one with Smith as head coach. USD need to give the guy a 3 year deal, pay him $250K per year and he will stick around through Mooney's graduation.
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Post by gopheryote on Mar 22, 2017 14:45:04 GMT -6
If Coach Smith does leave this year, I hope we get the news soon so Herbster can get busy working on the contract to bring Tom Crean to USD.
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Post by yotebewithyou on Mar 22, 2017 14:47:01 GMT -6
Just listened to John Gaskins pretend for 15 minutes that he knows anything about USD. He's almost as hard to listen to as Jeff Thurn
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Post by yotesbacker on Mar 22, 2017 14:53:29 GMT -6
Still believe: 1) one good year gets you a half step up in $$$, like Drake or Miamia, OH 2) three good years gets you to serious money in a power 5 conference (ie Amy Williams) 3) my humble opinion Smith will except a reasonable merit raise for next year or so, then will pursue 2) not 1) in 2019.
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