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Post by Yotes on Nov 19, 2015 11:50:26 GMT -6
You simply are not going to hear about coaches being turned off by the one-year contracts unless you run in the coaching circles. Look at Meierkort getting canned. The university let his contract expire so he wasn't owed a dime as soon as the season ended and he was then unable to promptly land on his feet and is doing god knows what now. You don't think that scares away prospective candidates? College athletics, and especially football, is renowned for the incredible amounts of money coaches may be owed well after they get canned. No one plans on getting fired but you need to have that insurance waiting in case things go south. Charlie Weis is still being paid by Notre Dame and he hasn't coached there since 2009. If we are ever going to get the coaching staffs we have the potential to get we are going to either need multi-year contracts or individuals with strong ties to the area willing to take a chance.[/quote] I know that it looks like you have a one year contract but I can't think of a coach that SDSU has given less than three to four years before they didn't renew their contract. It would look at it as you are getting a first contract of 3 or 4 years and then after that, you could call it a one year contract. You won't get the package that Weis gets from ND but you know that you a getting a few years and then you won't have a blanket to fall into. I would like to think that most coaches would take a 4 year job and then if they haven't proved themselves they could understand it's time to move on. Both the coach and the university might need to get a fresh start. I do understand the point about being fired and maybe not being able to find a job one month later but most coaches that coach at a DI university should have the experience and a network where they should be able to find a job fairly soon. What is the difference in being fired after a three year contract or a one year contract? In both cases you are getting let go and you have to find somewhere else to go. There might be a slight advantage in saying "my three year deal is up so I better look for a back-up job just in case they let me go" and worrying about that every year but it can't be much.[/quote] But no coach is simply signed to a three year contract and then reviewed after three years. I would think just about every head coach out there is sitting on at least three years remaining on their contracts because they constantly get extended. Coaches say it hurts recruiting if they don't have at least a few years remaining on their contract, it's basically the standard. While no one in SD has been given an unfair amount of time to run a program, you mention that everyone gets at least 3 years, the one year contract does still apply and that is going to turn some qualified candidates away from a state that is already hard to draw people into. The lack of a potential buyout is not going to sit will with prospective coaches when every other state offers them at this level. |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 19, 2015 11:55:07 GMT -6
Heck, just look at professional sports. Who signs one-year contracts? People desperate for a chance to play or on the verge of retirement. Taking a one-year deal in the middle of your career is a bold move.
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Post by nccyote on Nov 19, 2015 12:38:37 GMT -6
I don't know how much coaches contracts play into recruiting at the FCS level. I wouldn't think that its as big of an issue as at FBS programs. I thought i remember Coach Glenn getting multiple year deal when he got hired, and after last year he agreed to stay coaching on a year to year basis. I am probably wrong but I thought i remembered that in discussion from the past.
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Post by azsod73 on Nov 19, 2015 13:54:59 GMT -6
If Herbster named Riggs head coach what what would your first post be? If Herbster hired Riggs and did his due diligence on him and decided he was qualified or worth the risk I would be happy because the Coyotes would have the potential leading them to seriously compete for winning the conference but for sure making the playoffs. For whatever the reason I always seem to like whatever coaches come off the USF coaching tree. I would rather take a swing for the fences for the chance at excellence than to settle for being mediocre. I can live with the risk.
Would you consider hiring Bo Pelini if he were available? He is trying to quickly change the Youngstown State program by taking FBS transfers who have been kicked off teams for academic and/or criminal issues. |
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Post by 88grad on Nov 19, 2015 14:22:52 GMT -6
Apples and oranges as far as the level of competition they have had. With that said, Kurtiss Riggs has had more success, more rings and by all accounts is a hellavu good guy and does things "the right way". Just because his experience was at the NAIA and semi-professional level I don't believe those are reasons to discount him. He's been a winner everywhere he's gone.
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Post by nccyote on Nov 19, 2015 15:31:47 GMT -6
My biggest worry with a guy like Riggs is can he recruit, and can he recruit at a high level for FCS talent. I know he has been successful in NAIA and in the arena scene, but that has no relevance on how he can put together a team in the toughest FCS conference in the country. Maybe all of his arena success would be seen as an attractive thing for some recruits, but I would think most of the kids outside of Sioux Falls have never heard of the SF Storm or wouldn't care about his lower level arena success. I'm not knocking Riggs at all, success is success, no matter the level, but I think we could hire somebody with more proven success at the things that are tangible to running a quality FCS football program than Coach Riggs.
IMO Riggs would not be on our administration's radar.
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Post by 88grad on Nov 19, 2015 15:56:50 GMT -6
You're probably right about not being on anyone's radar. To me, this discussion is all about posing "what ifs" and to me he is an interesting "what if".
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 19, 2015 17:04:09 GMT -6
My biggest worry with a guy like Riggs is can he recruit, and can he recruit at a high level for FCS talent. I know he has been successful in NAIA and in the arena scene, but that has no relevance on how he can put together a team in the toughest FCS conference in the country. Maybe all of his arena success would be seen as an attractive thing for some recruits, but I would think most of the kids outside of Sioux Falls have never heard of the SF Storm or wouldn't care about his lower level arena success. I'm not knocking Riggs at all, success is success, no matter the level, but I think we could hire somebody with more proven success at the things that are tangible to running a quality FCS football program than Coach Riggs. IMO Riggs would not be on our administration's radar. My thoughts exactly. I'll also add that we wouldn't be able to pull just anybody from the FCS ranks either, they need to be very familiar with the MVFC, the competition level it poses, and what it takes to win in this conference. I remember coaching staffs from the past who came in thinking, ehh, it's D2 football, then they got one season into the NCC schedule and were blown away by how difficult it was. I distinctly remember one coach who thought, after seeing the team in fall camp, that the Yotes would contend for the conference title that year. We won one conference game. The staff had no clue just how tough the old NCC was compared to D2 football back where they came from. Same thing applies to the MVFC. This isn't the MEAC, or the OVC, or even the Big Sky. It's the Valley and it's a grind. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2015 18:50:28 GMT -6
My biggest worry with a guy like Riggs is can he recruit, and can he recruit at a high level for FCS talent. I know he has been successful in NAIA and in the arena scene, but that has no relevance on how he can put together a team in the toughest FCS conference in the country. Maybe all of his arena success would be seen as an attractive thing for some recruits, but I would think most of the kids outside of Sioux Falls have never heard of the SF Storm or wouldn't care about his lower level arena success. I'm not knocking Riggs at all, success is success, no matter the level, but I think we could hire somebody with more proven success at the things that are tangible to running a quality FCS football program than Coach Riggs. IMO Riggs would not be on our administration's radar. Just to clarify to everyone I never said Riggs was without a doubt my top guy, just an intriguing name worth a look. Riggs might have some potential weaknesses as far as recruiting but I would hope he would have a good staff to help him out. I am sure he could get a former USF coach or two to join his staff. If Riggs was the hire I would see Andre Fields having a spot on his coaching staff somewhere and I am sure alot of Yote fans wouldn't mind that. Riggs as OC would be very tempting. The bottom line is that a full national search would need to be done like it was with the hiring of the two recent basketball coaches. The more doors that are opened the better chance of a really successful hire whoever that would be. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2015 19:00:02 GMT -6
If Herbster hired Riggs and did his due diligence on him and decided he was qualified or worth the risk I would be happy because the Coyotes would have the potential leading them to seriously compete for winning the conference but for sure making the playoffs. For whatever the reason I always seem to like whatever coaches come off the USF coaching tree. I would rather take a swing for the fences for the chance at excellence than to settle for being mediocre. I can live with the risk.
Would you consider hiring Bo Pelini if he were available? He is trying to quickly change the Youngstown State program by taking FBS transfers who have been kicked off teams for academic and/or criminal issues. Of course I would rather have good model students in the program but I wouldn't mind a coach that isn't affraid to take a chance on a guy that has talent that might struggle to make it academically. From coaches to players I don't really care about their personalities I care about their talent and how well they play the game and how they can help turn USD into a winner. I am not judgmental of players or coaches regarding their character one way or the other unless they are committing felonies. I am judgmental about their performance on the field. I don't know if I would want an entire team of misfits and criminals but let's be honest if a star quarterback stole a candy bar once from a store but could lead the team to a championship of some sort than I think I can forget about that candy bar. Now if he stole a car I would probably be a bit leery. Let's face it athletes between 18 and 22 are not generally at the stage of their life to be model citizens. They make mistakes at that age. |
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Post by yotefanforever on Nov 19, 2015 19:25:32 GMT -6
Be careful what you ask for -- character matters.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2015 20:22:02 GMT -6
Be careful what you ask for -- character matters. Lets just put it this way. If USD hired a coach that was kind of a jerk and his players were a little bit on the edge but they won the Valley and made a deep run in the playoffs you wouldn't be hearing people clamoring for a return of a Joe Glenn type of coach. Do you think Alabama fans are in any kind of a hurry to get rid of Nick Saban even though he is kind of a jerk? The difference between winning and losing will make people change the way they think about things when they have experienced both. Just look at the Minnesota Vikings. Adrian Peterson is quite the player but not exactly a model citizen and doesn't seem to be one of the more intelligent guys in the world. Look at Toby Gerhardt. Good guy, smart guy, Stanford Grad. Nothing to really not like. Viking fans cheer for Peterson because of his ability on the field not his behavior off the field. Some Viking fans probably don't really like him personally but would they want him off the team because he used a switch on his child. As long as Peterson is producing the fans will love him. As long as a guy like Gerhardt is averaging 2 yards per carry you will not hear many cheers and hear many people talk about how great of a guy he is. As much as people will vehemently deny it sports is about winning and losing and that takes priority above many other things. Subconsciously that is what matters the most. It's the world that we live in. It's like that in business as well. If an employee is a very well liked and respected person they will still be expected to produce at their job. If they don't make the numbers expected of them they probably won't last long. If average Joe is making his numbers and possibly even cutting corners to do so he will be looked upon as the more valuable employee to the company. It sucks that life is that way but that is just the way it is. |
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Post by fightsd on Nov 20, 2015 8:13:09 GMT -6
Would you consider hiring Bo Pelini if he were available? He is trying to quickly change the Youngstown State program by taking FBS transfers who have been kicked off teams for academic and/or criminal issues. Of course I would rather have good model students in the program but I wouldn't mind a coach that isn't affraid to take a chance on a guy that has talent that might struggle to make it academically. From coaches to players I don't really care about their personalities I care about their talent and how well they play the game and how they can help turn USD into a winner. I am not judgmental of players or coaches regarding their character one way or the other unless they are committing felonies. I am judgmental about their performance on the field. I don't know if I would want an entire team of misfits and criminals but let's be honest if a star quarterback stole a candy bar once from a store but could lead the team to a championship of some sort than I think I can forget about that candy bar. Now if he stole a car I would probably be a bit leery. Let's face it athletes between 18 and 22 are not generally at the stage of their life to be model citizens. They make mistakes at that age. Just out of curiousity, how exactly do you determine which kind of criminal is worth taking a chance on? I've seen a lot of pretty impressive talent leave Vermillion because they can't stay out of trouble. |
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Post by nccyote on Nov 20, 2015 8:45:25 GMT -6
footballscoop.com/news/in-a-coaching-search-look-for-character-and-experience-not-circumstances/Interesting perspective on a coaching search here. To summarize, if you are indeed looking for a new head coach, would you rather have a young, successful, white-hot up and comer who has experienced nothing but success? A guy who is trending on the upward and riding high on the momentum of the past couple of seasons (Houston's Tom Herman). Or should you look for consistency, maybe a guy who has seen a lot a success but also maybe had some years with struggles as well (Nebraska's Mike Riley)? I like the authors point about would you want somebody who had been on a few sinking ships, who knows how bail water, and survive the storm. Or are you more attracted to a guy who has always had success, and maybe never had to deal with a team that has under achieved or had a tough season because they have never experienced that as a coach. There is no right or wrong here, I just thought it was an interesting perspective on a coaching search, making us realize it is not as cut and dry as some other areas of life or the business world.
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Post by tman28 on Nov 20, 2015 9:52:45 GMT -6
footballscoop.com/news/in-a-coaching-search-look-for-character-and-experience-not-circumstances/Interesting perspective on a coaching search here. To summarize, if you are indeed looking for a new head coach, would you rather have a young, successful, white-hot up and comer who has experienced nothing but success? A guy who is trending on the upward and riding high on the momentum of the past couple of seasons (Houston's Tom Herman). Or should you look for consistency, maybe a guy who has seen a lot a success but also maybe had some years with struggles as well (Nebraska's Mike Riley)? I like the authors point about would you want somebody who had been on a few sinking ships, who knows how bail water, and survive the storm. Or are you more attracted to a guy who has always had success, and maybe never had to deal with a team that has under achieved or had a tough season because they have never experienced that as a coach. There is no right or wrong here, I just thought it was an interesting perspective on a coaching search, making us realize it is not as cut and dry as some other areas of life or the business world. This is good to get perspectives. My answer for a team like USD would be the white hot up and comer....... Nebraska was coming off of mostly 9to10 win seasons before coaches got fired. USD is averaging less than half that in FCS. IMO you cant get much worse than the yotes have been recently. Much improved this yr, but a proven winner should get the chance. |
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