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Post by Yotes on Nov 18, 2015 19:43:03 GMT -6
SDSU obviously has had a lot of success operating under the same one year contracts. Why is this such a hindrance for USD or is it just another excuse you're searching for? The one year contact hindrance notion is mainly a fallacy in my opinion. I can't think one coach that has either left USD because of it or not wanted to be hired because of it. A confident coach is not going to have a major problem with having a one year contract. If they are good enough and deserve to be kept they will be renewed every year. I kind of like the option of moving on from a coach when the timing is right not when their contract says it is right. Another nice thing about 1 year contracts is that coaches that are deserving can get raises without necessarily having to wait until their current contract is up. You simply are not going to hear about coaches being turned off by the one-year contracts unless you run in the coaching circles. Look at Meierkort getting canned. The university let his contract expire so he wasn't owed a dime as soon as the season ended and he was then unable to promptly land on his feet and is doing god knows what now. You don't think that scares away prospective candidates? College athletics, and especially football, is renowned for the incredible amounts of money coaches may be owed well after they get canned. No one plans on getting fired but you need to have that insurance waiting in case things go south. Charlie Weis is still being paid by Notre Dame and he hasn't coached there since 2009. If we are ever going to get the coaching staffs we have the potential to get we are going to either need multi-year contracts or individuals with strong ties to the area willing to take a chance. |
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Post by bigOyote on Nov 18, 2015 20:05:59 GMT -6
Back to the original post and my reaction to it, what I said was relevant. The OP linked an article comparing Iowa and Nebraska. It was very relevant to the discussions we've had in this place for well over a year. I have heard time and again from Husker fans over the years that their coach needs to be fired. Callahan needs to go. Bo needs to go. Now Riley needs to go. Husker fans have expectations of being in Conference and NC contention every single year. That is unrealistic in today's D1 football world. Many Husker fans are slow to come to the realization of where they fit in today. How does this all fit in here? Well, who does that sound like? Sorry CF, that's you You are Husker fan, IMO. You're answer to any underperforming program is to fire the coach and get somebody new. Iowa football has had two head coach coaches since 1979. That's 36 years. That's one of, if not the most stable programs in the country. Sometimes there are up seasons, sometimes there are downs, and, frankly, the calls for change were getting loud up until this season's results. The administration stuck with it though and it has paid off. Many Nebraska fans I talk with say that Ferentz would have been fired a couple years ago if that was Nebraska. That Nebraska doesn't accept mediocrity but Iowa does. Well, if Ferentz was fired a couple of seasons ago, like many wanted, that program would be in rebuild mode right now instead of ranked 5th in the country. Consistency, confidence in knowing you have the right man for the job, and looking beyond wins and losses and seeing the big picture. That's what Yoteforever has been talking about for months now. No coincidence that Joe Glenn and Kirk Ferentz are both highly respected, high character guys. Guys like that are able to weather some bad times because of everything else they bring to the table. Coaches that just win, but are simply tolerated because they do win, well, when they start losing they are gone with the quickness. Finally, I am not on drugs. I know that Riley is highly respected. Bo was pretty respected as well. Both points of which are irrelevant to what I was trying to say. The point is if football programs change coaches because they are not meeting expectations then other prospective coaches will look at what those expectations are. Bo won 9-10 games a season and was dismissed. Solich won 10 games and was dismissed (though, I don't think alot of people know the full story on that). Prospective coaches look at that and have to ask themselves if double digit win seasons gets you fired there, what exactly is good enough? The turnover, the unreasonably high expectations, it is hurting Nebraska right now. Proof, they hired a guy, well respected coach, I'll give you that, who is not exactly a young up and comer, and who has an offensive philosophy that is counter to that of many Nebraskans and is counter to that of the Big Ten conference. A coach who had a record of 93-80 at Oregon State. Probably good enough at Oregon State, the #2 program in that state, clearly behind Oregon, but is that good enough for Nebraska? Nebraska is Husker football. Those kinds of results simply won't cut it there. But firing Riley after this season, which has not been up to Nebraska standards, is not the answer. It can't be the answer because what quality coach is going to step into that type of situation? That's how all this Nebraska/Iowa talk relates to the Coyotes. Do you fire a coach or retain them? When do you make that move? What effect does that happen on the program? My take is that Joe Glenn will be here as long as he wants to be here. He's the type of guy that will step aside if he believes he is causing more harm than good, so there is really is no need to talk about firing. After this season we all have to admit there has been improvement in this team and we are heading in the right direction. Patience, we just needed a few more birthdays. If Joe does decide to leave then I think it will be a national search and not a promotion, but I also think Joe will have his fingerprints all over the selection and it will probably be somebody from his coaching tree or somebody he will endorse, and I am fine with that. 1962 + 36 = 1998 2 coaches 5 national championships 2 Heismans and a whole lot of other awards. It is not just longevity of the coaching staff but also the expectations of the fan base that motivates the athletics department to be the best. Is it any more unrealistic for a kid to want to play in Lincoln in 1970 more so than Lincoln in 2015? I don't buy that and most of the state does not either. |
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 18, 2015 20:10:45 GMT -6
As an OC I think Kalen DeBoer has not had the same level of success as when he was a head coach. I don't know if that means he was a great NAIA head coach or what. Hopefully Joe continues on but if he doesn't, I could get behind Kalen IF his partner in crime Kurtiss Riggs was involved too. Either as his OC or Kalen being his OC. I love the name Kurtiss Riggs. The guy is simply a winner and IMO would be excellent with whatever role he would have with the Coyotes. He has been in arena football for awhile but the guy is a great football mind and would adapt quickly back to the 100 yard game again. Coyotefan, In the spirit of debate, I want to make sure I understand this post. Are you saying if Kurtis Riggs were to be named Head Coach, you'd be ok with him bring chosen as the best coach of the Coyotes? YFE |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 18, 2015 20:47:42 GMT -6
I would certainly consider Kurtiss Riggs in some capacity. He is a good football mind and IMO his coaching would translate from the Arena game to the college game but more would need to be looked at as far as the total package he has of coaching experience. He doesn't just win football games, he wins championships almost every year. For the head coaching role I would need to do some more research on him. For OC he gets the job every day of the week over Wes.
Riggs would definately be a swing for the fences type of hire with some inherited risk with his college coaching experience but there is nothing wrong with looking outside the box a bit. Andre Fields former Yote would probably have an opinion of Riggs and what kind of a coach he would be whether it's as head man or a supporting role. I could probably be talked into or talked out of Riggs but he is an intriguing name none the less.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 18, 2015 21:28:22 GMT -6
If Herbster named Riggs head coach what what would your first post be?
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 18, 2015 21:30:36 GMT -6
Holy crap, what are we doing?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 18, 2015 21:38:06 GMT -6
If Herbster named Riggs head coach what what would your first post be? If Herbster hired Riggs and did his due diligence on him and decided he was qualified or worth the risk I would be happy because the Coyotes would have the potential leading them to seriously compete for winning the conference but for sure making the playoffs. For whatever the reason I always seem to like whatever coaches come off the USF coaching tree. I would rather take a swing for the fences for the chance at excellence than to settle for being mediocre. I can live with the risk. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 18, 2015 21:41:29 GMT -6
Holy crap, what are we doing? There is absolutely nothing wrong with having discussions. I believe in good debate and nothing should be off limits in a good debate. Even if Glenn stays around past this year the time is probably coming close to retirement. If anyone get offended about speculation and discussion than it's nothing more than insecurity. The topic of Glenn retiring and or getting fired has come up on more than just this fan board. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 18, 2015 22:04:02 GMT -6
No, that would be my response to the hiring.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 18, 2015 22:23:12 GMT -6
No, that would be my response to the hiring. Yeah Riggs bring too much winning to the equation which is maybe a little bit too much to handle.  |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 18, 2015 22:36:38 GMT -6
Holy crap, what are we doing? I don't get this topic at all. It's either a discussion about our new head coach when Joe hasn't said a word or comparing Iowa and Nebraska. Don't need this in my opinion |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 18, 2015 23:21:12 GMT -6
I don't know why a topic should ever be squashed. This is one of the best threads going on the board this year. There is nothing wrong with speculation. This is a very valid discussion and has some good points being made that some may or may not agree with but the point of a board is to discuss topics and sometimes somewhat controversial topics. I find it quite amazing after the last 4 years how it's taboo to even discuss these kinds of things. 6-26 speaks for itself but how dare we even think about a different direction.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 19, 2015 9:17:05 GMT -6
This is a message board, it is for discussion. Speculation is well within the boundaries.
No, I don't think Riggs would be the answer. By your line of reasoning CF we should bring in the head coach at Morningside College because the Mustangs have been winning recently. Wouldn't work because there is such a thing as being in over your head. USD can attract much better candidates than what you are throwing out.
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Post by yote14 on Nov 19, 2015 10:08:27 GMT -6
To be fair the birthdays excuse has not been used this year as we finally have depth and a good upper class. It's also unfair to compare Glenn directly to Ferentz and others as they did not have to take Iowa through a transition period with the toughest conference on a very limited budget.
I would ask if a change happens are we finally at a point financially where we could attract someone better than Glenn and his staff? I honestly do not know. I would imagine financially there is more money there now than 4 or 5 years ago but still may need a couple years to really establish itself further. No question about it Glenn is an extremely successful guy. He has won everywhere he has gone and at all 3 levels. If this is his last year would the new coach we could afford at this time truly only be a Kurtis Riggs level guy? I would say probably so. I do not know much about Kalen DeBoer but is he really a better coach than Glenn currently? Not sure we want any of the guys mentioned so far over Glenn next year.
The 1 year contract is no doubt an issue. If my job was a one year contract I would be looking somewhere else. You cannot feel stable with a family etc in that situation.
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Post by 91jack on Nov 19, 2015 11:10:58 GMT -6
[/quote]You simply are not going to hear about coaches being turned off by the one-year contracts unless you run in the coaching circles. Look at Meierkort getting canned. The university let his contract expire so he wasn't owed a dime as soon as the season ended and he was then unable to promptly land on his feet and is doing god knows what now. You don't think that scares away prospective candidates? College athletics, and especially football, is renowned for the incredible amounts of money coaches may be owed well after they get canned. No one plans on getting fired but you need to have that insurance waiting in case things go south. Charlie Weis is still being paid by Notre Dame and he hasn't coached there since 2009. If we are ever going to get the coaching staffs we have the potential to get we are going to either need multi-year contracts or individuals with strong ties to the area willing to take a chance.[/quote]
I know that it looks like you have a one year contract but I can't think of a coach that SDSU has given less than three to four years before they didn't renew their contract. It would look at it as you are getting a first contract of 3 or 4 years and then after that, you could call it a one year contract. You won't get the package that Weis gets from ND but you know that you a getting a few years and then you won't have a blanket to fall into. I would like to think that most coaches would take a 4 year job and then if they haven't proved themselves they could understand it's time to move on. Both the coach and the university might need to get a fresh start.
I do understand the point about being fired and maybe not being able to find a job one month later but most coaches that coach at a DI university should have the experience and a network where they should be able to find a job fairly soon.
What is the difference in being fired after a three year contract or a one year contract? In both cases you are getting let go and you have to find somewhere else to go. There might be a slight advantage in saying "my three year deal is up so I better look for a back-up job just in case they let me go" and worrying about that every year but it can't be much.
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