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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 17, 2015 20:52:34 GMT -6
As an OC I think Kalen DeBoer has not had the same level of success as when he was a head coach. I don't know if that means he was a great NAIA head coach or what. Hopefully Joe continues on but if he doesn't, I could get behind Kalen IF his partner in crime Kurtiss Riggs was involved too. Either as his OC or Kalen being his OC. I love the name Kurtiss Riggs. The guy is simply a winner and IMO would be excellent with whatever role he would have with the Coyotes. He has been in arena football for awhile but the guy is a great football mind and would adapt quickly back to the 100 yard game again. |
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Post by jackl on Nov 17, 2015 20:54:28 GMT -6
Also if Joe Glenn is hanging it up this year I'm not sure he does so immediately after the Illinois State game should we win. It might be a one in a million shot but a 6-5 team that went 4-4 in the MVFC with wins over NDSU and Illinois State may be a playoff team. Never had a 24 team playoff field in an 11 game season so there is no precedence for or against such a situation. I think one in million is extremely optimistic. FWIW, i hope Joe coaches for a long time at USD,seems like a nice guy. |
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Nov 17, 2015 21:02:18 GMT -6
One in a million is optimistic? Ok, Lloyd Christmas.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 17, 2015 21:03:21 GMT -6
Also if Joe Glenn is hanging it up this year I'm not sure he does so immediately after the Illinois State game should we win. It might be a one in a million shot but a 6-5 team that went 4-4 in the MVFC with wins over NDSU and Illinois State may be a playoff team. Never had a 24 team playoff field in an 11 game season so there is no precedence for or against such a situation. I think one in million is extremely optimistic. FWIW, i hope Joe coaches for a long time at USD,seems like a nice guy. I wouldn't think of it as a possibility but Joe Glenn sees it as a remote possibility. Might stem from the conference getting five teams in the playoffs last year. Actually have to beat Illinois State to make this a discussion worth having. |
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Post by bigOyote on Nov 17, 2015 21:28:12 GMT -6
It's policy from the board of regents. It applies to all state employees hired by the universities. It's antiquated and needs to change to join the 21st century. That much I figured out. what I am asking is what is the benefit to the state to have once year contracts? Control sports so they dont overtake acedemics? Some sort of tax benefit? Good old fashion stuck in the past South Dakota-ism? |
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 17, 2015 21:42:54 GMT -6
As I understand it, it's not just limited to sports. Abbott is on a one year contract as is every employee at the university on salary. Definitely stuck in the past. Plus my gut feel is these guys like the control. Absurd
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Post by Yotes on Nov 18, 2015 7:52:03 GMT -6
I doubt this policy has anything to do with athletics specifically. Having all of your employees on one year contracts does mean that you can let them go at the end of that one year and not owe them a thing if things aren't working. Just not the way the world works anymore.
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Post by jackl on Nov 18, 2015 7:59:42 GMT -6
SDSU obviously has had a lot of success operating under the same one year contracts. Why is this such a hindrance for USD or is it just another excuse you're searching for?
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 18, 2015 8:52:20 GMT -6
It would benefit both schools to get rid of the one year contract deal. I've heard just as much discussion on the Bunny Board about it, this isn't just a Coyote thing.
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Post by ctc2010 on Nov 18, 2015 9:26:01 GMT -6
SDSU obviously has had a lot of success operating under the same one year contracts. Why is this such a hindrance for USD or is it just another excuse you're searching for? When is the last time SDSU had to look for a coach in their 3 main sports? D2? |
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 18, 2015 9:40:43 GMT -6
Back to the original post and my reaction to it, what I said was relevant. The OP linked an article comparing Iowa and Nebraska. It was very relevant to the discussions we've had in this place for well over a year. I have heard time and again from Husker fans over the years that their coach needs to be fired. Callahan needs to go. Bo needs to go. Now Riley needs to go. Husker fans have expectations of being in Conference and NC contention every single year. That is unrealistic in today's D1 football world. Many Husker fans are slow to come to the realization of where they fit in today. How does this all fit in here? Well, who does that sound like? Sorry CF, that's you You are Husker fan, IMO. You're answer to any underperforming program is to fire the coach and get somebody new.
Iowa football has had two head coach coaches since 1979. That's 36 years. That's one of, if not the most stable programs in the country. Sometimes there are up seasons, sometimes there are downs, and, frankly, the calls for change were getting loud up until this season's results. The administration stuck with it though and it has paid off. Many Nebraska fans I talk with say that Ferentz would have been fired a couple years ago if that was Nebraska. That Nebraska doesn't accept mediocrity but Iowa does. Well, if Ferentz was fired a couple of seasons ago, like many wanted, that program would be in rebuild mode right now instead of ranked 5th in the country. Consistency, confidence in knowing you have the right man for the job, and looking beyond wins and losses and seeing the big picture. That's what Yoteforever has been talking about for months now. No coincidence that Joe Glenn and Kirk Ferentz are both highly respected, high character guys. Guys like that are able to weather some bad times because of everything else they bring to the table. Coaches that just win, but are simply tolerated because they do win, well, when they start losing they are gone with the quickness.
Finally, I am not on drugs. I know that Riley is highly respected. Bo was pretty respected as well. Both points of which are irrelevant to what I was trying to say. The point is if football programs change coaches because they are not meeting expectations then other prospective coaches will look at what those expectations are. Bo won 9-10 games a season and was dismissed. Solich won 10 games and was dismissed (though, I don't think alot of people know the full story on that). Prospective coaches look at that and have to ask themselves if double digit win seasons gets you fired there, what exactly is good enough? The turnover, the unreasonably high expectations, it is hurting Nebraska right now. Proof, they hired a guy, well respected coach, I'll give you that, who is not exactly a young up and comer, and who has an offensive philosophy that is counter to that of many Nebraskans and is counter to that of the Big Ten conference. A coach who had a record of 93-80 at Oregon State. Probably good enough at Oregon State, the #2 program in that state, clearly behind Oregon, but is that good enough for Nebraska? Nebraska is Husker football. Those kinds of results simply won't cut it there. But firing Riley after this season, which has not been up to Nebraska standards, is not the answer. It can't be the answer because what quality coach is going to step into that type of situation?
That's how all this Nebraska/Iowa talk relates to the Coyotes. Do you fire a coach or retain them? When do you make that move? What effect does that happen on the program?
My take is that Joe Glenn will be here as long as he wants to be here. He's the type of guy that will step aside if he believes he is causing more harm than good, so there is really is no need to talk about firing. After this season we all have to admit there has been improvement in this team and we are heading in the right direction. Patience, we just needed a few more birthdays. If Joe does decide to leave then I think it will be a national search and not a promotion, but I also think Joe will have his fingerprints all over the selection and it will probably be somebody from his coaching tree or somebody he will endorse, and I am fine with that.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 18, 2015 17:19:23 GMT -6
SDSU obviously has had a lot of success operating under the same one year contracts. Why is this such a hindrance for USD or is it just another excuse you're searching for? Probably because you never were worth a crap in D2 so you had a lot saved up. Take that garbage comment to your board. Wait till Stig and Noogy leave. Then you'll get it |
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Post by yotefan on Nov 18, 2015 17:55:37 GMT -6
I know it was just a typo, but "Noogy" made me chuckle. =)
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 18, 2015 18:42:06 GMT -6
SDSU obviously has had a lot of success operating under the same one year contracts. Why is this such a hindrance for USD or is it just another excuse you're searching for? The one year contact hindrance notion is mainly a fallacy in my opinion. I can't think one coach that has either left USD because of it or not wanted to be hired because of it. A confident coach is not going to have a major problem with having a one year contract. If they are good enough and deserve to be kept they will be renewed every year. I kind of like the option of moving on from a coach when the timing is right not when their contract says it is right. Another nice thing about 1 year contracts is that coaches that are deserving can get raises without necessarily having to wait until their current contract is up. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 18, 2015 19:21:14 GMT -6
Back to the original post and my reaction to it, what I said was relevant. The OP linked an article comparing Iowa and Nebraska. It was very relevant to the discussions we've had in this place for well over a year. I have heard time and again from Husker fans over the years that their coach needs to be fired. Callahan needs to go. Bo needs to go. Now Riley needs to go. Husker fans have expectations of being in Conference and NC contention every single year. That is unrealistic in today's D1 football world. Many Husker fans are slow to come to the realization of where they fit in today. How does this all fit in here? Well, who does that sound like? Sorry CF, that's you You are Husker fan, IMO. You're answer to any underperforming program is to fire the coach and get somebody new. Iowa football has had two head coach coaches since 1979. That's 36 years. That's one of, if not the most stable programs in the country. Sometimes there are up seasons, sometimes there are downs, and, frankly, the calls for change were getting loud up until this season's results. The administration stuck with it though and it has paid off. Many Nebraska fans I talk with say that Ferentz would have been fired a couple years ago if that was Nebraska. That Nebraska doesn't accept mediocrity but Iowa does. Well, if Ferentz was fired a couple of seasons ago, like many wanted, that program would be in rebuild mode right now instead of ranked 5th in the country. Consistency, confidence in knowing you have the right man for the job, and looking beyond wins and losses and seeing the big picture. That's what Yoteforever has been talking about for months now. No coincidence that Joe Glenn and Kirk Ferentz are both highly respected, high character guys. Guys like that are able to weather some bad times because of everything else they bring to the table. Coaches that just win, but are simply tolerated because they do win, well, when they start losing they are gone with the quickness. Finally, I am not on drugs. I know that Riley is highly respected. Bo was pretty respected as well. Both points of which are irrelevant to what I was trying to say. The point is if football programs change coaches because they are not meeting expectations then other prospective coaches will look at what those expectations are. Bo won 9-10 games a season and was dismissed. Solich won 10 games and was dismissed (though, I don't think alot of people know the full story on that). Prospective coaches look at that and have to ask themselves if double digit win seasons gets you fired there, what exactly is good enough? The turnover, the unreasonably high expectations, it is hurting Nebraska right now. Proof, they hired a guy, well respected coach, I'll give you that, who is not exactly a young up and comer, and who has an offensive philosophy that is counter to that of many Nebraskans and is counter to that of the Big Ten conference. A coach who had a record of 93-80 at Oregon State. Probably good enough at Oregon State, the #2 program in that state, clearly behind Oregon, but is that good enough for Nebraska? Nebraska is Husker football. Those kinds of results simply won't cut it there. But firing Riley after this season, which has not been up to Nebraska standards, is not the answer. It can't be the answer because what quality coach is going to step into that type of situation? That's how all this Nebraska/Iowa talk relates to the Coyotes. Do you fire a coach or retain them? When do you make that move? What effect does that happen on the program? My take is that Joe Glenn will be here as long as he wants to be here. He's the type of guy that will step aside if he believes he is causing more harm than good, so there is really is no need to talk about firing. After this season we all have to admit there has been improvement in this team and we are heading in the right direction. Patience, we just needed a few more birthdays. If Joe does decide to leave then I think it will be a national search and not a promotion, but I also think Joe will have his fingerprints all over the selection and it will probably be somebody from his coaching tree or somebody he will endorse, and I am fine with that. Just exactly when are we going to stop using the excuse of needing more birthdays. That is an old excuse that ran it's course 2 years ago. We can't keep saying that every year. Any program is going to have a mix of young players and veteran players. Unless a program has 80 seniors on it who couldn't use more birthdays. Every time I hear that phrase it makes me want to puke to be honest. Just a question about Ferentz. What were his first 4 years like at Iowa. I am guessing that he had some success during that time frame. I will say what I have said before. I am not asking a mediocre coach to be fired. I will keep using this stat because it speaks loud and clear. 6-26 is not up to the level of mediocre. That is the record that the Coyotes have against their direct peers in their very own conference. Nebraska fans have every right to have high expectations. Look at Ohio State and what they are doing. They are a cold weather midwest program and they are doing things the right way. Shouldn't Huskers fans have every right to expect to be on their level. Nebraska's history and Iowa's history are very different. Nebraska wins national titles and Iowa does not and Nebraska fans are conditioned (and fairly so) to expect alot. I am not a Husker fan but I completely respect the level of excellence that their fans expect. I wish USD fans had half the expectations that Nebraska has or even NDSU or SDSU has. USD fans should expect and demand to be as good as SDSU shouldn't they? Joe Glenn hasn't been a good coach in a very long time when you consider his time at USD, his time in retirement and his time at Wyoming. He is not exactly an up and coming modern thinking coach. I want one of those. |
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