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Post by GoYotes on Dec 14, 2015 16:14:48 GMT -6
I would be 100% onboard with leaving Wes on staff as OC. He would certainly help with continuity and giving Wes the opportunity to learn under one more head coach would definitely put Wes in a better position to land his dream job a few years down the road.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Dec 14, 2015 16:36:41 GMT -6
So what would you guys think if Nielson retained Wes? Honestly, it wouldn't bother me. I think Wes has alot to offer. I know he is pretty well thought of in the coaching circles. I'm sure it would make a certain poster's head explode, that would just add to the awesomeness of a move like that, IMO. I think if WIU hires from within (like I am guessing they will do) you will see alot of that staff staying in place, at least for the upcoming season. I tend to agree, but there are about 5 guys that have previous playing/coaching experience with Bob. I can see them leaving - I will admit, however, I am more impressed with the resumes of the guys that don't have the connections (Blazek, Bradley, Mohnsen, Watson). |
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Dec 14, 2015 16:39:38 GMT -6
Not sure about his OC at WIU. Teddy Schlafke is younger and less experienced than Wesley was. I don't know if he actually called the plays, but his title at WIU was co-offensive coordinator. I guess if he is added as the OC here it will be a different flavor. Not saying that he is bad, I'm just noting his lack of experience. Just like with a lot of boards out there, WIU fans have complained about there lack luster offensive play calling and predictability on that side of the ball. Enough of that talk though. Excited for the future of Coyote football and looking forward to the Neilson era. Hopefully Coach Neilson can add to the momentum that this season has started and bring Coyote football to new heights in the Valley. I got the impression that Nielson called the plays and that Schlafke/Blazek were Passing/Running Game Coordinators, meaning they consult/observe. Maybe I am wrong. One thing I need to admit, I have been quoted on here as saying Bob was the brother of former USD AD Joel, because I have been told this before and could swear it was posted on here before. That is NOT correct. Joel is NielsEn, Bob is NielsOn. My bad... |
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Post by coyote61 on Dec 14, 2015 16:50:54 GMT -6
I would be 100% onboard with leaving Wes on staff as OC. He would certainly help with continuity and giving Wes the opportunity to learn under one more head coach would definitely put Wes in a better position to land his dream job a few years down the road. No |
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Post by sd4life on Dec 14, 2015 17:33:32 GMT -6
I would be disappointed if Wes was kept on has OC. He just hasn't really done anything to warrant keeping that job. To me, it would be like taking 2 steps forward, but 1 step back.
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Post by coyotes on Dec 14, 2015 18:06:31 GMT -6
New to posting but believe me from the bottom of my heart Wes is a great guy but he does not deserve to stay on as OC. Wes needs to leave this program and do something else. He needs to go to a smaller school and take a HC job there or an OC job. I just graduated this weekend and because I no longer play or attend school here I can tell you now what I think. I think they did a great job and hired someone with no connection to USD. This last coaching staff had too much inbreeding on it and needed new life. I enjoyed playing my 4.5 years here but I was glad to see change. Change may be hard to accept for some but this program needed it. Yes, Joe was a great PR guy but had no fire left to be a head coach. We needed change we finally got it. I hope the best for coyote football. I will always love the game and the University I played for. GO YOTES here is to a new era!
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Post by olifer on Dec 14, 2015 18:56:51 GMT -6
Wes is a great guy, a loyal player and coach. He works hard and has rolled with the punches to the best of "his" ability and I think that's what people on this board struggle with. I personally think that it would be a disservice to all, including Wes to keep him on in that position. I agree with the others that have said that it's time for Wes to grab a new opportunity as a head coach at a smaller college or university and grow into the position with hopes of moving onward and upward. We wouldn't be doing him any big favor by keeping him here as the OC when very few of us think that he'll eventually get promoted from within to be a head coach at this level without any head coaching experience. On an unrelated note, I'm extremely impressed with the work that David Herbster has done in a very short period of time. I hope he sticks around for quite awhile.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 14, 2015 19:09:36 GMT -6
New to posting but believe me from the bottom of my heart Wes is a great guy but he does not deserve to stay on as OC. Wes needs to leave this program and do something else. He needs to go to a smaller school and take a HC job there or an OC job. I just graduated this weekend and because I no longer play or attend school here I can tell you now what I think. I think they did a great job and hired someone with no connection to USD. This last coaching staff had too much inbreeding on it and needed new life. I enjoyed playing my 4.5 years here but I was glad to see change. Change may be hard to accept for some but this program needed it. Yes, Joe was a great PR guy but had no fire left to be a head coach. We needed change we finally got it. I hope the best for coyote football. I will always love the game and the University I played for. GO YOTES here is to a new era! Nice to have another poster and former football player, one from the Joe Glenn era even. I was willing to see what Joe Glenn had in store for us if he had stayed another year but with him can agree that a big change is needed. I can't see more than one or two guys being retained under Nielson and that's fine by me. You have to respect what Joe did for our alma mater the past four years though. He came on board to guide us through a transition to the absolute toughest conference in FCS football likely knowing full well he was going to take a shellacking. He left the program healthier than he found it and in a position to snag a candidate like Bob Nielson - someone who likely would have had no interest if we were in a similar state to where we were when Glenn took over. If he has a mark against him it's retaining the previous staff and staying so loyal to it. On that note I am anxious to see who Nielson brings to Vermillion and hope that he is given enough resources to field a good staff of assistants. |
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Post by coyote61 on Dec 14, 2015 19:34:08 GMT -6
I know a lot of us here want what's best for the assistants who are left over from Joes regime. But reading our new members post, who may or may not be a former player, change was needed badly. Keeping anyone from the former staff would be ridiculous. The only person I would interview for a position would be the new defensive backs coach who used to be the special teams coach at Southern University. He was nominated for special teams coach of the year at the FBS level, even though Southern was FCS. He really only has ties to the U for one season. Can't wait for 2016. Go Yotes!
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Post by studplayer54 on Dec 14, 2015 20:18:04 GMT -6
Those are the 2 that I would think have the least chance to stay. IMO Coach Williams and Middleton are the most important to keeping recruiting continuity. It also helps to have a few minority coaches on the staff when we are trying to get minority student-athletes to come to Vermillion. I also think Wesley could have a chance to stay on as a position coach to help in the transition between staffs, I'm not sure if he would be interested in that though. I forgot about Williams and Middleton. Both have a lot of experience with the internships they have had with the NFL etc. A good point that is easy to overlook with having a minority coach a recruit from Florida or Texas could ask questions and relate to in SD. I know Petrino and Harvey may have the least chance at staying. Simply 2 coaches I have liked a lot over the past couple years and would like to see stay.
As a minority parent of a player on the team and talking with other minority players & Parents on this team. I have lots of respect for Coach Williams but this staff needs a complete overhaul. Unfortunately this should include Coach Williams and Middleton. Coach Williams is a very talented and bright coach who will land somewhere in a matter of days. He is a great recuriter and exciting coach. However, what this teams needs right now is asst coaches who will come in and teach this team how to WIN! This team needs coaches who believe in winning, my son comes from a youth program to High school program where they were taught to WIN and believe in themselves. Many of times, I have seen SOME of the coaches just give up, place blame on the players and not except the responsibility. There are many of minority coaches available who will spark a fire with the players, but you can't do this if you have legacy coaches second guessing or not willing to accept change. This program has very talented players, a few not playing in the right positions, i'll leave that right there...
Here is an opportunity for USD to finally compete on a higher level - IMO - They need to replace everyone including the Trainer! He has tieds to the program and from what I hear from some players - he breeds negativity in the team... If you attend school at USD, and part of the football or training staff - its time for you to move on and experience life after USD. No more trying to relive your college days.
its a new DAY in Coyote football!!!
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Post by coyote61 on Dec 14, 2015 20:49:55 GMT -6
Some pretty interesting information coming to light now that we have a new coach. I'm sure we'll have to take it with a grain of salt, but if all is true we definitely had more problems than what we were aware of. Can't wait for this new coaching staff to get going.
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 14, 2015 21:13:47 GMT -6
To the parent of a minority player I welcome you to the board. As I would the parent of a non minority player. Your thoughts and feelings were expressed in a very sincere manner, and I appreciate the post. Your son grew up in the surroundings of being a winner, as do many recruits. The toughest part of being a college coach is melding the personalities of several different kids. Most kids that sign to play college football, or sports in general for that matter, have had some success either personally or as a team. Then for cosches to take all these kids with different backgrounds and home life's and turn them into "one unit" is the most difficult thing they'll do. Coaches that can transform many into one have a leg up for building a winner.
It makes no difference if you're black or white when you both wear red. I'm white and some of my closest friends are black. When I came to USD many years ago I had never been around black people. And they had probably never been around a naive idiot like me. But in my four years here we became one, and to this day, we remain that way. There isn't anything they wouldn't do for me, and there's nothing I wouldn't do for them.
I think your son made a decision that will have influence on him the rest of his life. If you say Coach Williams needs to leave, I respect that. But my personal thoughts are Coach Williams is one of the finest young men I've met. I don't care if he's black nor do I care if he's white. What I want is a coach that can turn a bunch of individuals into a team and be competitive and win their fair share or more. I want that coach to take my son and mame a man out of him in the most respectful way. Black or white. I want your son to have a ton of fun playing ball, win some games, and get a quality education. That's what I want.
I realize the color of the skin still matters to many, but in my world, that's the problem we face as Americans. The University if South Dakota changed my way of thinking several years ago, and I hope for your son, and every young man on that team, that they leave Vermillion a better person than when they came.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 14, 2015 21:39:17 GMT -6
I am actually getting happier and happier by the hour about this hire. I am completely on board with our new coach and it looks like the door is open to come back to the dome again. With that said if anyone has a dissenting opinion I think they should be allowed that opinion without being torched for it. In this post and in later posts I will bring up some things that may be considered weaknesses about Nielsen but don't let that confuse anyone with me not being on board with him. Remember with Glenn almost everyone was happy with it then he decided to keep Beschorner and from that point forward things just didn't go well as far as winning and losing is concerned. Nielsen better damn well bring his own staff with him. I would also like to see the salary number and hope that USD is really upping the ante with the total financial commitment that they committing to the coaching staff for this program.
I hope he keeps a flexible offense that can put it up through the air if need be. Eddie made some earlier legitimate rationales for Nielsen's recent teams struggling on defense but the matter of fact is that his team did struggle on that side of the ball. That needs to be addressed but I think it will be. If I recall correctly Nielsen had good defenses at UMD. It will be interesting if Saeger ends up winning the job out of fall camp. I hope there is another quarterback rostered that beats him out. We need to be better in that area with more consistency.
I want to point out with emphasis that my favorite part of Nielsen is what he did at UMD. He took a team that was nowhere close to good and made them a two time national champion from the Northern Sun. Great work there. At Western he did a good job and certainly didn't hurt his stature but he didn't create miracles there because he still finished below .500 in the Valley. I realize full well that they were a mess before he arrived so he deserved credit for their turnaround. I am just not doing back flips for his work there as I think his time there goes down as an incomplete and yet to be determined status.
So now that Nielsen is the guy lets start judging this program by winning and losing in the Valley and how we do against our peers. The SDSU series is a mess, the NDSU series is a mess minus one unusual victory and even the UNI series hasn't been pretty. Time to change that around. It looks like Nielsen will run a clean program so I don't expect a bunch of shenanigans but the bottom line is winning and losing is what matters most and USD can no longer afford to lag behind in that category.
Next step is who will be coaching alongside Nielsen at South Dakota?
Go Coyotes
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 14, 2015 21:46:34 GMT -6
So what would you guys think if Nielson retained Wes? Honestly, it wouldn't bother me. I think Wes has alot to offer. I know he is pretty well thought of in the coaching circles. I'm sure it would make a certain poster's head explode, that would just add to the awesomeness of a move like that, IMO. I think if WIU hires from within (like I am guessing they will do) you will see alot of that staff staying in place, at least for the upcoming season. I can't believe you are saying this. Wes has proven pretty much nothing as far as being able to coach an offense. How is keeping him in any way a good thing. He was the first mistake Glenn made and we cannot afford that same mistake again. I would sure like to know who thinks of him highly in the coaching circles. He simply has not proven anything. It's time to move on with the experiment because it hasn't worked and Wes has had plenty of opportunity to prove himself and hasn't. Let someone else have his potential because it has never amounted to anything more than that. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 14, 2015 21:51:42 GMT -6
New to posting but believe me from the bottom of my heart Wes is a great guy but he does not deserve to stay on as OC. Wes needs to leave this program and do something else. He needs to go to a smaller school and take a HC job there or an OC job. I just graduated this weekend and because I no longer play or attend school here I can tell you now what I think. I think they did a great job and hired someone with no connection to USD. This last coaching staff had too much inbreeding on it and needed new life. I enjoyed playing my 4.5 years here but I was glad to see change. Change may be hard to accept for some but this program needed it. Yes, Joe was a great PR guy but had no fire left to be a head coach. We needed change we finally got it. I hope the best for coyote football. I will always love the game and the University I played for. GO YOTES here is to a new era! This needs to be nominated for post of the year. Finally someone gets it. You hit the head on everything with this post. Nothing more needs to be said. |
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