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Post by studplayer54 on Dec 14, 2015 21:54:06 GMT -6
YoteForever - Totally agree with your feedback - Just to be clear, I love Coach Williams and what he has done for this program and my son. My point is that just because he is African American doesnt exclude him and Coach Millton from moving on. Coach Williams is an upcoming star, this is his time to move on and get to the next level. It will not surprised if Coach Williams ended up at a FBS school or on an NFL team coaching. I want to see a new begining for this team, NSDU game clearly shows me that we have the talent to beat anyone with the right guidance. I also saw lots of potential in the KSU game as well, this team has talent! These student athletes need a new leadership starting with the Head Coach down to the Trainer.
Interesting reading your post, because when my son and some of the African American players arrived on USD campus, they also could not believe that some studentss had never interact with Afican Americans, imgaine that in these times! My advise to him and his friends - this is an opportunity to discredit the sterotypes and provide others an opportinity to learn from each other backgrounds. Not wanting to get into all the details, but I can say that USD is a good school, my son is enjoying his college days and has friends for life - Black & White!
Now, let's get the football program on point and roll in the playeroff next year.
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 14, 2015 22:01:16 GMT -6
In all candor, I was 5 seconds for giving you kudos for your first post tonight. Then you post this one. I know you dont care for Wes and his coaching abilities or style, but have you ever thought he was hand tied by talent? Our QB is limited at best. And had you been in the Dome at games, you would've seen a lot of dropped balls, at critical times, especially in the early part of the season. Wes did not drop those balls. We are very limited in what we can do offensively for the time being. You suggest a spread offense. That's fine, but whos going to run it? And who making plays? We simply don't have the personal for a spread offense. For Gods sake CF, when Wesley played, he QB'd a spread offense that was as prolific as it gets. We dont have that level of talent in the folds right now. Maybe in a couple of years, but not now.
Please quit pounding on Wes as if he's a piece of crap. He's a legend at USD that deserves some respect for what he's accomplished both as a player and a coach. He was a great ambassador for USD.
And for record, I also am in the camp Wes go somewhere else and get his wings outside the USD fold, but please consider coming "home" someday if the opportunity ever presents itself. Wesley is one hell of a young man that deserves better that the rap he gets on this board.
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 14, 2015 22:05:16 GMT -6
YoteForever - Totally agree with your feedback - Just to be clear, I love Coach Williams and what he has done for this program and my son. My point is that just because he is African American doesnt exclude him and Coach Millton from moving on. Coach Williams is an upcoming star, this is his time to move on and get to the next level. It will not surprised if Coach Williams ended up at a FBS school or on an NFL team coaching. I want to see a new begining for this team, NSDU game clearly shows me that we have the talent to beat anyone with the right guidance. I also saw lots of potential in the KSU game as well, this team has talent! These student athletes need a new leadership starting with the Head Coach down to the Trainer. Interesting reading your post, because when my son and some of the African American players arrived on USD campus, they also could not believe that some studentss had never interact with Afican Americans, imgaine that in these times! My advise to him and his friends - this is an opportunity to discredit the sterotypes and provide others an opportinity to learn from each other backgrounds. Not wanting to get into all the details, but I can say that USD is a good school, my son is enjoying his college days and has friends for life - Black & White! Now, let's get the football program on point and roll in the playeroff next year. Great post stud. I agree 100%. We aren't black or white, we are RED. Let's move on, back this new staff and coach, and be relevant. I wish nothing but the best for your son and every other player on this team. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 14, 2015 22:09:55 GMT -6
I was pretty much on a deserted island but I have been saying for over a year that this entire football program needed a complete scrub down from top to bottom and people were so defiant of that attitude and pretty much threw me under the bus for it. People were very critical of me wanting Glenn to be fired at least a year ago. Now I am not looking so stupid with some of the comments today that have been made from those close to the program. Maybe I wasn't so naive after all to those that dissed me repeatedly for thinking that. Maybe the coaching staff wasn't as holy as thou as people once thought.
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Post by wintheday on Dec 14, 2015 22:12:21 GMT -6
I forgot about Williams and Middleton. Both have a lot of experience with the internships they have had with the NFL etc. A good point that is easy to overlook with having a minority coach a recruit from Florida or Texas could ask questions and relate to in SD. I know Petrino and Harvey may have the least chance at staying. Simply 2 coaches I have liked a lot over the past couple years and would like to see stay.
Here is an opportunity for USD to finally compete on a higher level - IMO - They need to replace everyone including the Trainer! He has tieds to the program and from what I hear from some players - he breeds negativity in the team... If you attend school at USD, and part of the football or training staff - its time for you to move on and experience life after USD. No more trying to relive your college days.
When you say trainer, I am assuming you are saying Jevon Bowman the head strength and conditioning coach, not Tyler Dopheide the head athletic trainer. I have spoken with a few players on the team with conflicting views on him. Some say he is the best FCS strength coach in the nation, some saying he is plays "favorites" a lot in the weight room. I am not sure what favorites are, but playing at the Division I level is going to require more work than ever thought possible at the high school level. I would say we have some of the best player development strength wise, I have not seen any team in the past two years move NDSU's front 4 quite like the way we did this year with only one Senior with experience from Bowman. From the stand point of 'playing favorites', one of the (now former) players claimed to me that he tended to favor the people who were weight room junkies and enjoyed the grind and workouts in the off-season and coming in during the summer. He will not from my understanding because he runs the WBB program as well. I have not heard any complaining out of that sport, plus from what I have heard they seem to be pretty successful. From the view of coaches that will stay, it will all depend on who Western Illinois names as their head coach tomorrow and who wants to stay in Macomb, or join Nielson in Vermillion. I would assume one of the coordinators will be getting the job, and most of the position coaches will come to Vermillion barring a chance at a coordinator spot at WIU. From what I would guess, only one member of USD's full time staff will retain their job, but that number is subject to go up with an in-house hire in Macomb. From the USD staff, I would not expect either of the coordinators to return, Harvey (since they stripped him of coaching the entire O-Line last year), Williams (also a coordinator but Special Teams is not considered a major spot, still possible, but not likely). The rest of the coaches are not extremely likely to return, but I would not say would not shock me if one to three of these guys would up on staff including Breske, Prosser, Middleton, Biagi. The Graduate Assistants, from my experience, are kind of a 50/50 spot. The DFO is somewhat of a new spot to have to understand for me, but I would guess Groth, not actually coaching, would probably be returning due to his connection with the current Athletic Department staff.... but I am pretty clueless on that position. Overall I would venture to say by Friday we will begin to see the new staff start to take shape. Does anyone know who actually called the plays in WIU's offense last year? I am still very curious on why people want a blowing up of a staff that went 5-7 last year, the last head coach retired....he was not fired, but for Pete's sake everyone on here is acting like last year was a complete fluke and we were not 10 minutes away from making the playoffs. |
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 14, 2015 22:19:12 GMT -6
I was pretty much on a deserted island but I have been saying for over a year that this entire football program needed a complete scrub down from top to bottom and people were so defiant of that attitude and pretty much threw me under the bus for it. People were very critical of me wanting Glenn to be fired at least a year ago. Now I am not looking so stupid with some of the comments today that have been made from those close to the program. Maybe I wasn't so naive after all to those that dissed me repeatedly for thinking that. Maybe the coaching staff wasn't as holy as thou as people once thought. Honestly, it wasn't so much what you said but rather how you said it. In my view, you are Captain Obvious. And I dont think I stand alone. I agree with some of what you post, but I don't always agree how you say it. And for my 2 cents worth, by you openly admitting you don't go to games, most people (not all) tune you out because in our views real fans support the young men or women on the field or floor despite who's coaching. You go to support the student athletes. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 14, 2015 22:19:49 GMT -6
In all candor, I was 5 seconds for giving you kudos for your first post tonight. Then you post this one. I know you dont care for Wes and his coaching abilities or style, but have you ever thought he was hand tied by talent? Our QB is limited at best. And had you been in the Dome at games, you would've seen a lot of dropped balls, at critical times, especially in the early part of the season. Wes did not drop those balls. We are very limited in what we can do offensively for the time being. You suggest a spread offense. That's fine, but whos going to run it? And who making plays? We simply don't have the personal for a spread offense. For Gods sake CF, when Wesley played, he QB'd a spread offense that was as prolific as it gets. We dont have that level of talent in the folds right now. Maybe in a couple of years, but not now. Please quit pounding on Wes as if he's a piece of crap. He's a legend at USD that deserves some respect for what he's accomplished both as a player and a coach. He was a great ambassador for USD. And for record, I also am in the camp Wes go somewhere else and get his wings outside the USD fold, but please consider coming "home" someday if the opportunity ever presents itself. Wesley is one hell of a young man that deserves better that the rap he gets on this board. Gimme a break, Wes has been holding this program back for years now. It is not based on a lack of talent that he has had to work with. He just doesn't understand how to run an offense nor does he understand how to play call. I have no hate for Wes, I just call it like I see it. If you see a post you like give it kudos. Don't focus on the negative all the time. You are always looking into the 10% of the parts of my posts that you don't like. You never say a thing about what I say in the basketball threads that I remember. You sir are focused on the negative when it comes to responding to my posts. I suggest you change that attitude. Wes deserved credit as a player, he does not deserve credit as a coach. He hasn't done anything that I can remember as a coach that makes me respect him. |
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Post by Yotes on Dec 14, 2015 22:20:36 GMT -6
Wow CF, you really are inconsistent. Statements like only supporters of Joe Glenn like Nielson and that you were ready to quietly accept him as the new coach have now turned into you looking into actually going to games again.
Next step is assistants. It sounds like Western Illinois hopes to announce their next head coach tomorrow, which can only mean that they are hiring from within. If they hire from within I believe that greatly limits the amount of assistants that Nielson will bring with him. I don't know anything about their staff, who might be hired for HC at WIU, or who we might want but I got a feeling most of those guys will be staying in Macomb.
I'm also left to wonder what Nielson has in mind for tenure here. Is he aiming for a retirement at USD or in three years will he be applying for a FBS job? I'll be VERY surprised if we are not in the playoffs within three years from now and Nielson will have credit for another MVFC turnaround. Does he leverage that into a new job or is this it?
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 14, 2015 22:28:28 GMT -6
In all candor, I was 5 seconds for giving you kudos for your first post tonight. Then you post this one. I know you dont care for Wes and his coaching abilities or style, but have you ever thought he was hand tied by talent? Our QB is limited at best. And had you been in the Dome at games, you would've seen a lot of dropped balls, at critical times, especially in the early part of the season. Wes did not drop those balls. We are very limited in what we can do offensively for the time being. You suggest a spread offense. That's fine, but whos going to run it? And who making plays? We simply don't have the personal for a spread offense. For Gods sake CF, when Wesley played, he QB'd a spread offense that was as prolific as it gets. We dont have that level of talent in the folds right now. Maybe in a couple of years, but not now. Please quit pounding on Wes as if he's a piece of crap. He's a legend at USD that deserves some respect for what he's accomplished both as a player and a coach. He was a great ambassador for USD. And for record, I also am in the camp Wes go somewhere else and get his wings outside the USD fold, but please consider coming "home" someday if the opportunity ever presents itself. Wesley is one hell of a young man that deserves better that the rap he gets on this board. Gimme a break, Wes has been holding this program back for years now. It is not based on a lack of talent that he has had to work with. He just doesn't understand how to run an offense nor does he understand how to play call. I have no hate for Wes, I just call it like I see it. If you see a post you like give it kudos. Don't focus on the negative all the time. You are always looking into the 10% of the parts of my posts that you don't like. You never say a thing about what I say in the basketball threads that I remember. You sir are focused on the negative when it comes to responding to my posts. I suggest you change that attitude. Wes deserved credit as a player, he does not deserve credit as a coach. He hasn't done anything that I can remember as a coach that makes me respect him. I will give you a break when you deserve one. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 14, 2015 22:28:36 GMT -6
Wow CF, you really are inconsistent. Statements like only supporters of Joe Glenn like Nielson and that you were ready to quietly accept him as the new coach have now turned into you looking into actually going to games again. Next step is assistants. It sounds like Western Illinois hopes to announce their next head coach tomorrow, which can only mean that they are hiring from within. If they hire from within I believe that greatly limits the amount of assistants that Nielson will bring with him. I don't know anything about their staff, who might be hired for HC at WIU, or who we might want but I got a feeling most of those guys will be staying in Macomb. I'm also left to wonder what Nielson has in mind for tenure here. Is he aiming for a retirement at USD or in three years will he be applying for a FBS job? I'll be VERY surprised if we are not in the playoffs within three years from now and Nielson will have credit for another MVFC turnaround. Does he leverage that into a new job or is this it? I never said only supporters of Glenn like Nielsen, I believe I said that supporters of Glenn tend to like Nielsen, big difference. People have a repeated problem of misquoting me or hearing just what they want to hear. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 14, 2015 22:53:06 GMT -6
I would now be even more excited if Wes was retained just to spite you CF. You wouldn't recognize a good coach if you saw it and I don't trust your football acumen one bit. You simply don't know what you are talking about.
Truth is, what would be best for Wes is for him to leave USD and get out there and get some other experiences. He's young and there will be opportunities for him in the future to come back here if he goes out and makes a name for himself.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 14, 2015 23:28:34 GMT -6
I would now be even more excited if Wes was retained just to spite you CF. You wouldn't recognize a good coach if you saw it and I don't trust your football acumen one bit. You simply don't know what you are talking about. Truth is, what would be best for Wes is for him to leave USD and get out there and get some other experiences. He's young and there will be opportunities for him in the future to come back here if he goes out and makes a name for himself. Please explain to me what I missed in Wes that makes him a good coach? Weren't you the one that said you would like to have him be retained as OC and not just out of spite. I may not know what I am talking about and I guess I really don't considering I was the only one after last year that wanted a full house cleaning. I don't remember anyone else being on that bandwagon. All everyone else could think about was how nice of a guy Joe Glenn is. He may have been running on fumes with his energy level but as long as he was a good guy everything else was ok. The dome janitor is a good and loyal guy too. Maybe he should be the new OC. For the rest of the staff under Nielsen why not have a nice guy tryout for anyone on campus that is interested. Afterall those guys are Yotes through and through. Have a test of niceness. We can have our Glenn loyalists make up the test. It can be a questionnaire regarding personality characteristics, life long acts of kindness and the whole works. The janitor already has OC. The guy that scores the highest gets the DC position. The next highest get the position coaches and down the line. We will have a bunch of nice guys on the staff. Their level of football knowledge would be irrelevant. Everything would be hunky dory and we could all play ring around the rosie. We need a new era of Coyote football, one of accountability and one of winning. We can name the 2012-2015 era of Coyote football the "nice guy" era. A foot note can be included in the record books to acknowledge the accomplishments of the era. In 20 years they can have a reunion of the "nice guy" era where everyone is honored. The 2014 team can be honored for how nice they were in defeat as their opponents rolled all over them. They can have ribbons handed out for honorably accepting defeat. The 2012 and 2014 teams can have a special place in our hearts for their 0-8 records in the Valley. We need a whole new area in the Coyote hall of fame for this era. It's amazing how many people consider 2012-2015 as a historical success for Coyote football. |
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Post by WIU on Dec 15, 2015 5:25:05 GMT -6
Don't expect miracles from coach Nielson, WIU could have easily been 3 and 8 this past year. A last second win over SIU and 2 Over Time wins to end the season. WIU gets the easiest draw in the FCS tournament against Dayton. Coach Nielson is a good coach and a class act, good luck in the coming years.
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Post by golfingyote on Dec 15, 2015 7:43:46 GMT -6
With the investment we are making in Nielsen, I have no problem if he keeps zero assistants from the prior staff. I am sure a handful of current assistants will interview to stay on staff, but it is Bobby's call and he needs to do things his way. If we end up with a couple guys from Joe's staff, great! If not, thats the business of college football. Count me among those that believes we can keep Wes, but only if its a position other than OC. I would rather see someone calling plays with more knowledge of Nielsen's system. Honestly, it just seems feels we need a new face making calls on that side of the ball. We have finished in the bottom 2 of scoring offense in the Valley all 4 years of the JG era. Not fond of see sawing with Missouri State in that category.
Let's try to keep expecations realistic with this coach. Obviously, playoffs in the first 3 years would be great, but more importantly, it would sure be nice to at least be competitive every year. And by competitive, I am saying that means 5-6 or better while playing in this beast of a conference.
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 15, 2015 7:48:33 GMT -6
CF, you are something else. In all my life, I have never seen one person expend so much negative energy. You are critical of people that defend the job Coach Glenn did, yet you don't have the foggiest idea what it takes to build a program. Coach Glenn re emerged on the coaching scene as we were entering the MVC. Did he win as many games as he would've liked to? No. Did he win as many games as we would've liked him to? No. But what the man did was lay a foundation that Coah Nielsen can now build on, and he won't require the 2-3 year process it takes just to start to become relevant.
Secondly, you have no appreciation for Coyote history. As I have stated before, we've really only had two eras of winning football on a consistent basis. The late 60's into the 70's with Joe Salem, and the early to mid 80's with Coach Triplett. There were a few decent seasons under Ed, where we made the playoffs, but that wasn't good enough for you either. I'm not going down that road, just be suffice to say it existed. In the Meierkort era, we had a QB that was a finalist for the Harlon Hill award as the top D2 player in the country. He was one of three players to be a finalist. I was at that ceremony, I travled to Alabama to support Wes in his attempt to earn the award. He was runner up, but what I will tell you from that night, any of us on here that's married and have kids would've been proud to have any of those three finalists as your son.
Wes is an institution at USD. He deserves our respect, not only form what he did as a player, but how he handled himself as a coach. You do not know what goes into coaching kids and running schemes at this level. If you did, you would shut your flap about running spread offenses with players that are destined to fail in that style. Maybe Coach Nielsen will want to eventually do that, that seems to be the offense of choice for many, but I guaranty he won't do it next year with the roster he has. What he will do in my estimation is acquire a staff to coach these kids up, and run the ball down people's throats. Wes had the same issues the past few years in the sense the kids on roster simply weren't built for that brand of ball. Remember back when Wes had the "ponies" on offense? They were prolific to watch, it was the defense that got waylaid and as a result we suffered losses. Like a pinball machine, we simply got out scored. Was Wes perfect? Nope, and I never said he was. But if you are solely going to judge him on the offense production the past 3-4 years, then you're rigt, he shouldn't be the coach. However, if you're going to judge him on the number of recruits he and Marquis Williams brought to the U, you'd reflect on him in a more favorable light.
Wes should not stay just because the circumstances don't warrant it. But I will tell you this....Wes has more Coyote blood running through his pinky finger than you ever thought about having in your entire body. I've tried to get along with you the past three weeks, but quite frankly, it's impossible for me to do. I will not let you trash him or the past staff and not respond. You have no clue what goes into the entire process. I for one am glad we had the "nice guy era". I only wished it had rubbed off on more people. Do Coach Nielsen a favor next fall...stay home. Critique him from the sofa. So if he decides to go for two in the 2nd overtime of a game to win it, and fails, you can get online here and bash him for it. Or better yet, why don't you just make 17,404 posts during a game that not one of us is reading because we are at the Dome. Those are deep and incit ful. Good God man, Wes deserves better treatment from us than what he's gotten.
As I''ve said before, I'd like to know what you do for a living so I could get on boards and criticize your actions and job performance. Give these outgoing coaches some respect. If you got fired, as much as I would like to shove it in your face, I wouldn't becaue it's not the decent thing to do. Be decent. If you want to pat yourself on the back for calling for Joe Glenn to be fired, that's fine. We all know who you are. But to lambast individual coaches over things you have little to no knowledge of just exposes your lack of judgement.
THANK YOU JOE GLENN, WESLEY BESCHOENER, MARQUIS WILLIAMS, BRETT HARVEY, JASON PETRINO, COLLIN PROSSER, COACH MIDDLETON, COACH BRESKER and any other coach I am not naming. You deserve our appreciation, and I wish for you nothing but the best as you move forward.
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