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Post by nccyote on Dec 15, 2015 8:51:34 GMT -6
Knowing Wesely like I do, I assume he will move on, maybe not even interview to stay at USD, but when you have a wife and kids, that makes a difference in that decision as well. I think he accepts that he wasn't as successful as an OC as we or he would have hoped. Wesley knows his place in Coyote history, he knows how true coyotes feel about him, both on the field and off. It has nothing to do with whether or not Wesley is qualified to stay on staff here, I just think he probably realizes it would be best for both parties to explore other opportunities. Again, this is all speculation, I could be totally wrong.
As far as the rest of the staff, I would expect that either Crutchley or Blazek gets the HC job at WIU. With the co-coordinators, It wouldn't shock me if one from each side of the ball stayed at WiU and the other came to USD. I would expect Mohnson to come with Neilson, due to his history with Nebraska and his family ties in the region. A lot of the WIU staff played for Neilson at some point, and I don't know how much I like the player-coach connection. I would rather see Neilson seek out some coaches that have no personal connection to him as players, or at least have coaching experience somewhere else before reuniting and coaching for him. I tend to think that when you have too many former players on your staff, you run the risk of creating a "yes man" culture.
Lastly, I agree with YF that, whether you like the coaching job (on the field) that they did or not, these coaches deserve our respect. Like teachers, you only get to see a small part of the impact that these guys had on the USD football players. There is so much behind the scenes that goes on with these guys that we never hear about. Academics, counseling, helping mold these guys into young men, making sure that they have a way to get home during the holidays, maybe even taking them home with you, being a parent while they are away from theirs...all of this and more goes on and we never see any of this. All we see is the the on-field stuff. Many of these kids will be changed for the rest of their lives due to their interactions with these guys and for that I say THANK YOU.
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Post by coyotes on Dec 15, 2015 9:00:38 GMT -6
I would now be even more excited if Wes was retained just to spite you CF. You wouldn't recognize a good coach if you saw it and I don't trust your football acumen one bit. You simply don't know what you are talking about. Truth is, what would be best for Wes is for him to leave USD and get out there and get some other experiences. He's young and there will be opportunities for him in the future to come back here if he goes out and makes a name for himself. Nothing but the upmost respect for you Yote 53 but Wes is not a good coach. I'm sorry to say this but have you played on the same staff Wes coached? I have for the past 4.5 years. Wes is a good guy he has a good heart but when it comes to coaching the players don't respect him. He has a lot of energy which is great but can he coach? I mean seriously the offense this year was so up and down. One week he would call a great game then the next week no one knew what the hell he was doing. Fans may believe in Wes which is great for them but if the players don't respect the coach how can he coach? People don't believe in him because he consistently lets us down. I have no problem with you Yote 53 I always enjoy reading your posts but here is the truth and what you may not see. You have to trust me from a players standpoint Wes leaving this program would be the best thing for the Yotes. |
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Dec 15, 2015 9:25:42 GMT -6
At the risk of moving the conversation away from the hogwash that CF spews, I am intrigued by your comments below, yoteforever. If you did, you would shut your flap about running spread offenses with players that are destined to fail in that style. Maybe Coach Nielsen will want to eventually do that, that seems to be the offense of choice for many, but I guaranty he won't do it next year with the roster he has. What he will do in my estimation is acquire a staff to coach these kids up, and run the ball down people's throats. I was under the impression that the hurry up no huddle was just Nielson's style, but maybe that was a poor assumption on my part. Was that an adjustment he made to the talent at WIU when he got there? Any idea what he ran at UMD? For the sake of keeping an actual football discussion going, do you really think that Nielson will continue to run more of a "traditional" or "pro" style offense? Or, are you just saying that you think our focus will remain with the running game? One thing I might question is the assertion that we wouldn't have the players to run a more spread oriented offense. I would argue that at least a portion of Wes' offense was already spread based. My general understanding of offense (and it is really generalized) was that the spread was more simplistic, can be easier to incorporate into a system, and generally allows players of "lesser" talent to perform at a higher level. I could be, and probably am, very misinformed on this,but, for the sake of discussion, don't you think that the players we presently have on offense could run nearly any offense, sans traditional option? Granted Saeger may be lacking in the accuracy department passing, but he is definitely athletic and can be deemed a dual-threat fit for a spread. We have a stable of diverse and talented RBs. I am really intrigued but our WR corps (great mix of size and speed), and we have a talent in Ramsey that could play anywhere from FB to TE to a big bodied WR. My only concern is that we lose some leaders on the OL. Thankfully we have our LT coming back from a very successful RS Frosh season and I think our OL recruiting has been strong enough that some new guys can fill the ranks. With the guys we have, I could see us running everything from an Oregon style hurry up zone-read to Texas Tech style air raid. I still believe we can be physical in that style too, but we will need to athletic and in shape. Likewise, I believe that with the right refinement, we can run an NDSU like pro-style smash mouth + play action. |
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Post by GoYotes on Dec 15, 2015 9:37:51 GMT -6
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Dec 15, 2015 10:02:45 GMT -6
Very interesting. Yelk is one of the guys that has a history with Nielson, playing and coaching at UMD. I had assumed that the people to look at as potential assistants from WIU would be those with a history with Bob, but that might not be the case. This will be interesting to follow.
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Post by nccyote on Dec 15, 2015 10:06:56 GMT -6
WOW...Yelk finished his playing career in 2008, he would be a very young FCS HC. That would be a very risky hire IMO |
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 15, 2015 10:13:57 GMT -6
I would now be even more excited if Wes was retained just to spite you CF. You wouldn't recognize a good coach if you saw it and I don't trust your football acumen one bit. You simply don't know what you are talking about. Truth is, what would be best for Wes is for him to leave USD and get out there and get some other experiences. He's young and there will be opportunities for him in the future to come back here if he goes out and makes a name for himself. Nothing but the upmost respect for you Yote 53 but Wes is not a good coach. I'm sorry to say this but have you played on the same staff Wes coached? I have for the past 4.5 years. Wes is a good guy he has a good heart but when it comes to coaching the players don't respect him. He has a lot of energy which is great but can he coach? I mean seriously the offense this year was so up and down. One week he would call a great game then the next week no one knew what the hell he was doing. Fans may believe in Wes which is great for them but if the players don't respect the coach how can he coach? People don't believe in him because he consistently lets us down. I have no problem with you Yote 53 I always enjoy reading your posts but here is the truth and what you may not see. You have to trust me from a players standpoint Wes leaving this program would be the best thing for the Yotes. I played a long time ago. There were coaches that we flat out didn't respect, so I kind of get where you are coming from. The reason we didn't respect certain coaches though is because we could see right through the facade and knew that a couple of them actually did not care for us, they only cared about what we could do for them. When I read your post I sense that you liked Wes the person, that he cared for you and you cared for him. What I think you are trying to say is not that you didn't respect him, just that you didn't believe in him. There is a difference. I can completely understand where you are coming from when you approach it from that direction. Yes, Wes's play calling was erratic from week to week, sometimes great, sometimes uggh. Don't confuse play calling with coaching though. There is a ton more to coaching than the actual calling of the plays, which BTW, can be corrected with the right guidance. That's why I think Wes is a good coach because he has a good heart and tries to do the right thing. The X's and O's part can be corrected. |
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Post by fightsd on Dec 15, 2015 10:18:15 GMT -6
I would now be even more excited if Wes was retained just to spite you CF. You wouldn't recognize a good coach if you saw it and I don't trust your football acumen one bit. You simply don't know what you are talking about. Truth is, what would be best for Wes is for him to leave USD and get out there and get some other experiences. He's young and there will be opportunities for him in the future to come back here if he goes out and makes a name for himself. Nothing but the upmost respect for you Yote 53 but Wes is not a good coach. I'm sorry to say this but have you played on the same staff Wes coached? I have for the past 4.5 years. Wes is a good guy he has a good heart but when it comes to coaching the players don't respect him. He has a lot of energy which is great but can he coach? I mean seriously the offense this year was so up and down. One week he would call a great game then the next week no one knew what the hell he was doing. Fans may believe in Wes which is great for them but if the players don't respect the coach how can he coach? People don't believe in him because he consistently lets us down. I have no problem with you Yote 53 I always enjoy reading your posts but here is the truth and what you may not see. You have to trust me from a players standpoint Wes leaving this program would be the best thing for the Yotes. It's still fresh for you, kid. Not sure if I've posted this before or not, but I also played under Wesley. And I would venture to guess I had more bad experiences with him than you did, we just never did see eye to eye. And, for the record, I agree it's in the best interest of the program that Wesley goes away, at least for now. He just doesn't have the experience with the right people under his belt. Meierkort didn't mentor him and when Joe came in he pretty much let Wesley steer his own ship. He never really learned how to run the offense or the program. But it's not fair to say he's a bad coach and I would certainly be open to him coming back in some capacity at some point down the road. Not sure who you are, but I'm sure I enjoyed watching you play. Actually played with you if you've been with the program 4.5 years. But my advice to you, step back and breathe for a while. Your opinion of Wes will change over time once you can look back objectively. |
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Post by yote on Dec 15, 2015 10:53:56 GMT -6
Any thoughts on the WIU board questioning the "ethics" of USD in this hire? I don't have a strong feeling either way under the circumstances given my limited understanding of WIUs budget situation. I'd like to think of it as an "opportunistic" hire. Is that sugar coating? I am excited about this hire but I do understand complaints about the in-conference move that was made.
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Post by WIU on Dec 15, 2015 11:03:58 GMT -6
I'll I know is coaches can change schools without penalty while under contract, college football players should have the same rights.
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Post by nccyote on Dec 15, 2015 11:08:35 GMT -6
I'll I know is coaches can change schools without penalty while under contract, college football players should have the same rights. If he can switch schools without penalty, that is a faulty contract. I understand your complaint that the NCAA doesn't allow players to just leave if a situation doesn't work out for them at a particular school, so why isn't like that for the coaches, but thats is another argument. If there is no language in a contract to keep a coach from leaving and taking a job in the same conference, that is the Ads and whoever drafted the contracts fault. I'm sure I would feel exactly the same as WIU fans though if the roles were reversed. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 15, 2015 11:09:58 GMT -6
Those types of "ethics" went out the window many, many years ago. The world, and D1 football, is a different place now.
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Post by sd4life on Dec 15, 2015 11:13:28 GMT -6
Ethics and NCAA don't go together at all.
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Post by yote14 on Dec 15, 2015 11:37:08 GMT -6
Don't expect miracles from coach Nielson, WIU could have easily been 3 and 8 this past year. A last second win over SIU and 2 Over Time wins to end the season. WIU gets the easiest draw in the FCS tournament against Dayton. Coach Nielson is a good coach and a class act, good luck in the coming years. But they weren't 3 and 8. He was voted MVFC coach of the year for a reason against a lot of great coaches in the toughest league in FCS. Not because he got lucky and won a few games and then drew the "easiest" draw in the playoffs. |
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Post by imacoyote on Dec 15, 2015 12:10:30 GMT -6
Nothing but the upmost respect for you Yote 53 but Wes is not a good coach. I'm sorry to say this but have you played on the same staff Wes coached? I have for the past 4.5 years. Wes is a good guy he has a good heart but when it comes to coaching the players don't respect him. He has a lot of energy which is great but can he coach? I mean seriously the offense this year was so up and down. One week he would call a great game then the next week no one knew what the hell he was doing. Fans may believe in Wes which is great for them but if the players don't respect the coach how can he coach? People don't believe in him because he consistently lets us down. I have no problem with you Yote 53 I always enjoy reading your posts but here is the truth and what you may not see. You have to trust me from a players standpoint Wes leaving this program would be the best thing for the Yotes. It's still fresh for you, kid. Not sure if I've posted this before or not, but I also played under Wesley. And I would venture to guess I had more bad experiences with him than you did, we just never did see eye to eye. And, for the record, I agree it's in the best interest of the program that Wesley goes away, at least for now. He just doesn't have the experience with the right people under his belt. Meierkort didn't mentor him and when Joe came in he pretty much let Wesley steer his own ship. He never really learned how to run the offense or the program. But it's not fair to say he's a bad coach and I would certainly be open to him coming back in some capacity at some point down the road. Not sure who you are, but I'm sure I enjoyed watching you play. Actually played with you if you've been with the program 4.5 years. But my advice to you, step back and breathe for a while. Your opinion of Wes will change over time once you can look back objectively. Well said, I think it's hard to be that closely removed from the program though I agree with some of what each of you are saying. I played with and under Wes myself and can say, at that time, there were some mixed reactions with him as a coach but most players liked him personally. He played under some VERY smart offensive minds during those years and picked up plenty from them but was kind of learning how to be an OC on the job---basically he could have used some more seasoning. It's probably best for him to step back and work under another staff and pick up other methods, then advance his coaching career. As some here have already said, he's a great representative for the university and has been through several eras of coyote football but in my opinion it's best for both sides to part ways---for now. |
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