South Dakota State

[gopheryote]

Nov 12, 2016 20:24:44 GMT -6 yoteswin said:

Nov 12, 2016 17:37:12 GMT -6 Coyote Fan said:

Streveler is the shiniest star on this team. The good he brings far out weighs the negatives. He deserves to be the guy for sure. He is going to be the man next year and deserves to be.

What the Coyotes need is a lot of improvement on both the O and D lines. Once they get that they will be a very dangerous football team. Hopefully that happens by next year because I would hate to waste Streveler's senior year. I would think a 3 yards and a cloud of dust guy such as Glenn was that he would have left the program in better shape with the lines.

We have seen the big play ability of Streveler. He's a great athlete. Strong, fast, tough, and competitive... That being said, this was his junior season. 

Some facts to consider:

-Streveler has been quarterback for eight games this year and he is 2-6 (!!) as such (he played the first half of the ISU game... but Saegar played the second half and ended up being the victor in OT).

-In the the other two wins that comprise the 4-6 record, Streveler was not the quarterback for six of the eight quarters (Referring to the Illinois State win and the ISU game mentioned above, here). 

-Also, in the Weber State victory, if you recall, we were down by 21 points twice and the turning point of that game was the fourth and goal TD pass from Simmons that ignited what ended up being the comeback.

-For all his upside, he has thrown nine interceptions and I believe lost four fumbles (there might have been five?). That's 13 turnovers... Four pick-sixes and two of the fumbles lead directly to touchdowns for the other team. 

-If you watch closely, pass after pass is off the mark or skipped into receivers...

-Streveler has averaged nearly 90 yards a game RUSHING.

Next year is his senior season. Streveler is a great athlete and needs to be on the field... But maybe there is a reason Minnesota wanted him on the field at a different position? If he winds up this year 2-7 as a starter in his junior year... Is it really wise to stick with him for next year as QB? It seems he has proven this season that he definitely should be on the field as much as possible... But perhaps the team is not provided their best chance of winning with him as QB. Big play rushing ability is exciting and eye catching, but is the current formula a winning one? 

Running back? Wide Receiver? I don't know, but it's food for thought. 

Don't take the bait from a troll (1st and only post).

[gopheryote]

Our lines were overmatched, and with hindsight, have been for most (all?)of the games this year. The rabbits ran 6 or 7 straight running plays at the same spot on one drive, and we couldn't stop it. The weakness was obviously more exposed with all the defensive starters in street clothes. On the offensive side, I continue to be baffled by the concept that Streveler isn't a good passer. A drop back passer would have gotten killed this year, as would a freshman. No doubt, Streveler doesn't make 100% of his passes like all other QB'S apparently do. But the guy has been running for his life all season, and you can't put drops by freshman receivers on him.

[bt71]

Nov 12, 2016 20:44:22 GMT -6 Charlie said:

[bt71]

Streveler is still tied for 6th in the FCS for points responsible for per game. Add back the game he sat with the concussion he would like be in the top 5. He has a completion rate of 61%. No he's not perfect and likely cost us the ND game with those 2 pick 6's. But you also have to look at the receivers - yesterday's INT was a result of the receiver running the wrong route. Yeah Streveler gets the INT but you can't really put that on him. He's not perfect but I think we would be in worse shape of he wasn't here.

[yotebewithyou]

Nov 13, 2016 13:12:01 GMT -6 bt71 said:

Streveler is still tied for 6th in the FCS for points responsible for per game. Add back the game he sat with the concussion he would like be in the top 5. He has a completion rate of 61%. No he's not perfect and likely cost us the ND game with those 2 pick 6's. But you also have to look at the receivers - yesterday's INT was a result of the receiver running the wrong route. Yeah Streveler gets the INT but you can't really put that on him. He's not perfect but I think we would be in worse shape of he wasn't here.

Also two HUGE drops by freshman at the end of the WIU game and a dropped tying TD at SIU.

[Coyote Fan]

Nov 13, 2016 9:31:35 GMT -6 goyotes24 said:

Using Nielsen's first three seasons WIU as an indicator of success to his first three seasons here is probably the worst analysis I have ever seen. By that logic, Glenn should have won a National Championship with USD because he won one with Montana in his three seasons there. Nielsen improved this team in just one season, and a playoff run is certainly possible next year. .

Did he really improve it. If you use the most important stat which last I knew was win loss record, assuming he loses the NDSU game the Coyotes will finish 4-7 vs 5-6 last year. How exactly is that improvement. The offense is no doubt improved but the defense is statistically the worst defense in the conference.

I am backing Nielson and let me make that clear but I will not ignore facts and I am sick and tired of it always being one year away. Why does it seem every year this program regresses the longer the season goes on. Almost every year that is the case. I posted this before but if we lose to NDSU we will be a ridiculous 1-19 during the last half of the conference season since we have been a part of the Valley. One and damn nine-teen. Shouldn't this team improve throughout the year instead of regress.

There are kind of two things that I always believe when it comes to well coached teams. Those types of teams are better the longer a game goes on and they are better the longer a season goes on. Good coaches adjust better than bad coaches and good coaches have teams that get better and better the longer things go on. Togetherness shows during the times that get the toughest. The Coyotes have most definitely been a poorer second half team for both the second half of games and now the second half of the season.

[Coyote Fan]

Streveler is the reason that this team is where it is this year and not sitting at 2-8 right now. I actually like Simmons quite a bit from what I have seen from him but a big part of the reason that receivers are open down field is that defenses have to keep 1 or 2 more guys in the box just because of the threat Chris is running the football. Chris took big strides forward in taking care of the ball after the UND game. When he takes care of the ball he is lethal. I am saying this as a fan of a pass first quarterback in favor of a running quarterback but Streveler is so dangerous running that it allows receivers to be open down field that might not otherwise be open. There is very little doubt that the aspect of this team that needs to improve most is the O line and the D line.

[coyote70]

I'd rather post my comment under a thread labeled "retrospective on the season" or some such, but my 2 cents is that the chief reason the Yotes have done so poorly the last 4-5 games of each season is that we just don't have the depth necessary to sustain early season success.

Most notably I see this on the D-line. Unfortunately, I don't see this changing much next year what with graduations and few new faces to replace them. We need to be at least two deep in this area and the only way to get there quickly may be to get a JUCO transfer or two.

Perhaps the coaches will switch a player or two from the o-line to defense but that would likely be a stop-gap measure. It appears some bigger bodies will be coming in for next year's freshman class but that will take another year or two to manifest itself.

Nonetheless, I remain positive about next year's prospects and think we have a chance of success next Saturday against NDSU if the team comes ready to play. We can put points on the board.

[Coyote Fan]

So the Coyotes have been in D1 how many years now and still don't have any depth? What are they doing with their scholarships and the recruiting then. Are we saying the recruiting has failed us? We have as many scholarships as anyone else and are at an even playing field to everyone else. Are we not recruiting D1 players after the first 30 or 40 scholarships? Every team has injuries and every team gets hit by graduation. Nice try but I am not buying the depth excuse because it is a pure and simple cop out.

There is always an excuse with this program. When will the excuses end. But I guess we are still in year 30 of the 50 year rebuild so we still need to be patient. The bottom line is that this team should be improving every game that they play under Nielson not regressing and they are currently going side ways at best and most likely regressing. Either Nielson is not that good or Glenn left us in not as good of shape as people said he did and I sure as h**l hope the latter is true. You can't have it both ways because something between the two is not good. Linemen are Linemen and they do pretty much the same thing regardless of the system. Maybe they have different responsibilities but it shouldn't matter much as they are there to do the grunt work and move bodies around or make sure bodies don't get around the quarterback. If there is one position that the midwest should produce talent that position is on the lines.

Another year gone by and our chief rival SDSU's worst year in FCS football (or at least since their first or second year) is better than our best year. One of our other big rivals has won 5 straight national titles. What does that tell everyone. SDSU was probably at the level the Coyotes are at now in their second season at the FCS level. We have been stuck in our second year for something like 7 years in a row.

[yotebewithyou]

I understand that we all hate moral victories but if you haven't seen a noticeable improvement from last year you're crazy.

Not counting the New Mexico game, the Yotes have lost by 3, 10, 1, 7, and 7. Should've had the UND game, could've had the YSU game, literally 1 yard away from winning the WIU game, had 4 plays inside the 5 to tie (and probably win with a 2pt conversion) the SIU game, and had a chance to tie the game in Brookings at the end.

Compare that to previous years.

2015 (sure the record might be better but compare the losses to this year)
-YSU: lost by 28
-WIU: lost by 19
-UNI: lost by 13
-SDSU: lost by 7 (gave it away)
-ISUr: lost 46-0

2014
-SIU: lost by 31
-UNI: lost by 11
-MSU: lost by 19
-NDSU: lost by 40
-YSU: lost by 11
-WIU: lost by 15
-ISUr: lost by 19
-SDSU: lost by 23

And this the the new staffs first year in a totally new system with leftovers from an old system. The problem with this year's team is that they just got everyone's hopes up. At the beginning of the year everyone was saying we can write this year off due to the new staff but then they were surprisingly good. They've put a TON of underclassmen in big roles this year and it's shown. Give them time to grow and give the staff a freaking break. Let them get the kids that can compliment their system before you write them off.

[Coyote Fan]

Wouldn't everyone at least agree that a team that is under a new coach and new system should improve throughout the year and they have not. We can talk about all the close games and that is fine but also consider that if the Coyotes lose to NDSU that their best win all year long would have been by 3 points.

There is one common theme. I have always been told to wait one more year. Glenn was a sure thing and when he started 0-8 in the conference his first year that we should not worry and honestly that same thing was still said 3 years later. He was too good and too proven for this to continue. Then after he went 3-1 in the conference his second year we definitely were on the right track, correct? Nope an 0-4 finish sent the team reeling for a long time. Then after another 0-8 year people were still holding tight on the steering wheel while I was squarely jumping ship. Then another 3-5 campaign but the wheels started falling off again at the end of the year. Another common theme and part of the whole 1-19 thing. People were still wanting to continue on with Glenn and some would have stayed on that ship forever.

So Nielson comes in and we have the same thing. He is a sure thing, we cannot go wrong again. Maybe that will still be true but here we go again. They show promise and then totally collapse again. The offense is unstoppable and suddenly they stop somehow. This is called the definition of insanity. I have a request. Instead of doing the same thing and staying patient how about we try just going totally ballistic for once. How about we have a 10 page thread of just complaining like they do on boards where the fans care. Good fan bases get very angry when their teams don't do well. They bitch and moan. There is hardly any of that here. When the Coyotes lose I want to hear people actually show some anger. I don't want to read after a tough loss everyone saying that it will all be ok. Is that really the case, will it be ok? Our history shows that it will not. Imagine if the team in the locker room after a loss took the same attitude as the fan base. They lose go to the locker room and don't throw a few helmets and don't feel like their heart was ripped out. I can tell you if a team took a loss without being angry about it they will keep losing until they do get angry about it and if they never do then they will never win because they don't care enough. I am not saying that a team should trash a locker room or anything but I don't want a team that loses to just blow it off. I think the fan base should be the same. Let's stop just blowing off the failures year after year. The more a fan base on average get angry with losing the more administration will sense the vibe and be more likely to demand more. The USD fan base just doesn't get very angry.

BTW yotebewithyou regarding this quote " Give them time to grow and give the staff a freaking break"

That is exactly what has happened with the USD fan base year after year after year times 30 and what has that exactly accomplished? Maybe we should try a different approach for once. as we know there are no guarantees of anything. Almost never with USD football is a step forward followed by another step forward. The inevitable step back always happens. Maybe that will change but don't fool yourself thinking that next year will for sure be better then this year. Just look back at history.

[Yotes]

Fire Bob Nielson.

[usdtator]

CF... We get it. You are the self-imposed voice of logic and reason on these threads... You, in your own mind, believe that you know more about USD sports than anyone else on these boards. We get it. However, you don't need to continually post these obscenely long threads where you have to constantly point out all the things wrong with USD sports programs. Your negativity is getting old. Get over yourself and your self-imposed belief that you have to be the guy that knows more than anyone else about the programs. We are all very aware of how the teams are doing. We follow them with as much passion as you do. The difference is that we all believe the Yotes can be more than they are... You believe they will never be as good as everyone else. We all see the faults, we just choose not to discuss them at such great lengths that we bore the pants off everyone. I can't speak for everyone else, but I rarely read your posts because they are ALWAYS too long and ALWAYS have nothing good to say about the program. Going on, and on, and on, and on about how bad the teams are and how disappointed you are because they never live up to your expectations just makes you more and more bitter... and the rest of us less and less interested in reading what you have to say.

[Cousin Eddie]

DL Depth is a pure and honest problem. For all of the weapons that were brought in the last couple years, yes, I do believe that our recruiting has failed us on the lines. Not as much on the OL, although I am still disappointed with our depth, but certainly at the DT position. The DL is the foundation for a sound defense and we are lacking right now. We are actually overachieving in terms of creating a pass rush, but our run defense leaves a lot to be desired. People may still want to talk about AVG, but the single biggest loss from last year's team, in my humble opinion, is Iddings. He covered up more mistakes than I think anybody would care to admit. We need a couple fat uglies in there to keep our LBs freed up to make plays. In general, I also think we lack for overall team speed on defense.

CF, you ask about recruiting and one of the statements you always make is "I will wait to see how they are in a couple years" or something like that. Well, as much as I may have liked some of the offensive skill players that have been brought in, we missed on speed and size on defense. Also, I think that what this staff is doing in terms of identifying, recruiting and obtaining commits early says a lot about not only how this staff recruits, but also how the old staff may have missed out in recruiting in the past. Most years with the old guys we came out of the regular season with, at best, 5 guys committed. That meant that we had to scramble all thoughout December and January to fill a class.

This season, we aren't even done with our season, we still have one more homegame to bring in visitors, and we have at least 16 known commits! When I look at those commits, one of the first things that stands out to me is the size on defense:

1. DE/DT MITCHELL STANLEY 6'6" 260 lbs - Glenwood HS, Glenwood, IA HUDL
9. DE PETER KLUG 6'6" 250 lbs - Blue Valley North, Overland Park, KS HUDL Rivals
13. C/DT JACK CLEMENT 6'3" 285 lbs - Sacred Heart-Griffin, Springfield, IL HUDL
16. OLB IAN NORDELL 6'4" 230 lbs - Concordia, KS HUDL
2. CB JORDAN SOMMERVILLE 6'1" 177 lbs - Lutheran North High, St. Louis, MO HUDL 247 Scout


On the offense, there is a focus on large linemen and a couple long and lanky tight ends.

This is surface stuff, I realize, but this staff knows what the problem areas are. Skill players are sexy, but the lines win games.

[Yote 53]

Nov 13, 2016 22:58:29 GMT -6 yotebewithyou said:

I understand that we all hate moral victories but if you haven't seen a noticeable improvement from last year you're crazy.

Not counting the New Mexico game, the Yotes have lost by 3, 10, 1, 7, and 7. Should've had the UND game, could've had the YSU game, literally 1 yard away from winning the WIU game, had 4 plays inside the 5 to tie (and probably win with a 2pt conversion) the SIU game, and had a chance to tie the game in Brookings at the end.

Compare that to previous years.

2015 (sure the record might be better but compare the losses to this year)
-YSU: lost by 28
-WIU: lost by 19
-UNI: lost by 13
-SDSU: lost by 7 (gave it away)
-ISUr: lost 46-0

2014
-SIU: lost by 31
-UNI: lost by 11
-MSU: lost by 19
-NDSU: lost by 40
-YSU: lost by 11
-WIU: lost by 15
-ISUr: lost by 19
-SDSU: lost by 23

And this the the new staffs first year in a totally new system with leftovers from an old system. The problem with this year's team is that they just got everyone's hopes up. At the beginning of the year everyone was saying we can write this year off due to the new staff but then they were surprisingly good. They've put a TON of underclassmen in big roles this year and it's shown. Give them time to grow and give the staff a freaking break. Let them get the kids that can compliment their system before you write them off.

I was going to write something similar but this pretty much sums it up. The Yotes are way more competitive this year. Combine that with the recruits this staff has been bringing in and I feel good about the future.

Now CF, you can call this year 30 of the 50 year rebuild, and I am with you that I am kind of tired of "waiting til next year" but I also understand what has gone on since the D1 transition. The program was a mess when Ed left. Joe came in and, while the program was in a kind of holding pattern, Joe did clean up the image and had a galvanizing effect on the alumni in terms of support. Joe has FCS street cred and him coming in when he did to stabilize things was probably a good thing even if it didn't result in wins. Now this new staff comes in and we are instantly competitive, recruiting is on the upswing, I think we're in a pretty good position going forward.