SL MVP?

[easmus]

Mooney a shoe-in for Newcomer of the year?

[Yotes]

Feb 17, 2017 16:29:43 GMT -6 easmus said:

Mooney a shoe-in for Newcomer of the year?

I would say most definitely. He is likely the only potential 1st teamer that wasn't around last year.

[Men's League Waterboy]

Feb 17, 2017 16:24:44 GMT -6 Coyote Fan said:

If the award was "MVP of the top team in the conference" it would be a different story. My vote is Daum any day and every day. When I look at MVP I look at how a team would fair without that player. The Jacks would slip the most without Daum then any team would slip without their top player. Daum worries opposing coaches more then any other player. Who knows about his efficiency numbers but he needs to carry the load for the Jacks and probably is forced to take many double team shots because he is by far their best player. No Daum would equal no Summit League tourney for the Jacks.

Flack is a good player no doubt but the Coyotes proved they could win without him which really is an endorsement of the Coyotes as a team. Hagedorn isn't Flack but when he needed to he stepped up. I supposed on the Coyotes I would vote for a co MVP with Flack, Mooney and Hurst. The heart and soul of the team in Hurst in my opinion. He is one of the best defenders in the Summit and does the dirty work for the Coyotes. I remember some big time rebounds he had where he leaped it seems like 5 feet in the air to get a board. I don't remember a Summit player of his height go up as high as he does for a rebound. Hurst definitely makes his case for the most athletic and hard nosed in the Summit.

Thank you. The notion that anybody but Daum should win MVP is insane.

[flashtaco]

Feb 17, 2017 17:41:36 GMT -6 Men's League Waterboy said:

Feb 17, 2017 16:24:44 GMT -6 Coyote Fan said:

If the award was "MVP of the top team in the conference" it would be a different story. My vote is Daum any day and every day. When I look at MVP I look at how a team would fair without that player. The Jacks would slip the most without Daum then any team would slip without their top player. Daum worries opposing coaches more then any other player. Who knows about his efficiency numbers but he needs to carry the load for the Jacks and probably is forced to take many double team shots because he is by far their best player. No Daum would equal no Summit League tourney for the Jacks.

Flack is a good player no doubt but the Coyotes proved they could win without him which really is an endorsement of the Coyotes as a team. Hagedorn isn't Flack but when he needed to he stepped up. I supposed on the Coyotes I would vote for a co MVP with Flack, Mooney and Hurst. The heart and soul of the team in Hurst in my opinion. He is one of the best defenders in the Summit and does the dirty work for the Coyotes. I remember some big time rebounds he had where he leaped it seems like 5 feet in the air to get a board. I don't remember a Summit player of his height go up as high as he does for a rebound. Hurst definitely makes his case for the most athletic and hard nosed in the Summit.

Thank you. The notion that anybody but Daum should win MVP is insane.

As I said Daum is a beast but not insane that others are the MVP. More to game than scoring. I would imagine that you think RBI is a relevant stat in baseball as well.

[flashtaco]

Feb 17, 2017 18:12:01 GMT -6 flashtaco said:

Feb 17, 2017 17:41:36 GMT -6 Men's League Waterboy said:

Thank you. The notion that anybody but Daum should win MVP is insane.

As I said Daum is a beast but not insane that others are the MVP. More to game than scoring. I would imagine that you think RBI is a relevant stat in baseball as well.

[gopheryote]

Feb 17, 2017 12:47:19 GMT -6 golfingyote said:

Ok, after reviewing the analytics, I change my pick to Konchar. He's good and stuff.

I don't pretend to be an analytics expert, but even I could see in those numbers he does a ton of things that normally are not recognized by traditional stats. Geesh.

[Men's League Waterboy]

Feb 17, 2017 18:12:01 GMT -6 flashtaco said:

Feb 17, 2017 17:41:36 GMT -6 Men's League Waterboy said:

Thank you. The notion that anybody but Daum should win MVP is insane.

As I said Daum is a beast but not insane that others are the MVP. More to game than scoring. I would imagine that you think RBI is a relevant stat in baseball as well.

Nah. Every coach in the Summit would trade their best player for him. That means he's the MVP.

[flashtaco]

Feb 17, 2017 19:22:21 GMT -6 Men's League Waterboy said:

Feb 17, 2017 18:12:01 GMT -6 flashtaco said:

As I said Daum is a beast but not insane that others are the MVP. More to game than scoring. I would imagine that you think RBI is a relevant stat in baseball as well.

Nah. Every coach in the Summit would trade their best player for him. That means he's the MVP.

Expected response but not an ultimate truth. There is a reason SDSU is playing zone. One is they want to protect Daum but the other is because he is a defense liability underneath (last year he was a negative defense player as well) We can agree to disagree that it is not insane to think that Daum is without a peer for MVP

[Coyote Fan]

It's nice when we have these kind of discussions. Many reasonable opinions. Daum isn't that good of a defender and there is no question about that. It's kind of sick what kind of offensive skills he has and he even shoots the three very well. His offensive game is so insane that even with his defensive inabilities he is still MVP IMO.

The Jacks have been lucky with having arguably the best two Summit players over the past several years in Wolters and Daum. I realize there are others such as Benson etc but the Jacks have or had two game changers.

[jackl]

51 points 15 rebounds. Next question

[Yotes]

Look deeper. He scored 35 from the field on 29 attempts. 51 points is a lot but when one guy takes every shot and defense is thrown out the window it doesn't hold as much weight.

[gopheryote]

WOW! 51 points is crazy! Whenever I see a player go off like that 2 things always pop in my mind - what are the other players on his team doing/thinking, and what on earth was the opposing coach telling his players to do (or not do). It generally takes everyone involved (the player's offense, the other team's defense, and often the refs) to have the perfect storm.

Quite the accomplishment for Mr. Daum though.

Since this is the POY thread (not the Offensive Player of the Year), it is worth noting that Konchar had a similarly impressive day, just not with total points.

[Coyote Fan]

I really hate coming to the defense of anything South Dakota State but Daum's performance did come in a winning effort and he did it in a tough road environment. Konchar didn't do enough to help his team win.

If your a Coyote fan who worries you more in the Summit tourney Konchar who the Coyotes beat twice or Daum who was responsible for the winning basket in Brookings on a very nice play and whether he traveled does not matter because the officials didn't call it and wouldn't at the Summit League Tourney either.

[Men's League Waterboy]

I am not disputing that Konchar, and others in the league, are very fine players. He is and they are. But let's be realistic here. Daum is far and away the MVP of the league. Vote Konchar all you want, but in head to head matchups between the two, Daum is averaging 46.5/12.5 in two wins. That seems like the epitome of a no-brainer to me.

[canislatrans]

Feb 17, 2017 13:31:48 GMT -6 yotebewithyou said:

Feb 17, 2017 13:08:51 GMT -6 Yotes said:

Is Mooney even our MVP? I think Flack has a very good argument for that title.

Will there be anyone on the All-Newcomer team that isn't a Coyote?

If Flack didn't miss a month I'd say he's the team MVP but that honor has to go with Mooney. Flack has more of an all-around game. We're very lucky to have both of them.

Herein lies the reason, it won't be a Yote that wins SL MVP, we have 2 candidates, that play well together.

Saturday's game tells you all you need to know, 9 players scored, 5 in double figures, and 43 bench points, you won't be scoring MVP points that way.

Daum will likely win it, and he's a great player!! No argument here.