SL MVP?

[GoYotes]

Hard to argue against Mike "Bunny Hop" Daum being this years Summit League MVP.

[coyotecrazie5]

Herein lies the reason, it won't be a Yote that wins SL MVP, we have 2 candidates, that play well together.

Saturday's game tells you all you need to know, 9 players scored, 5 in double figures, and 43 bench points, you won't be scoring MVP points that way.

Daum will likely win it, and he's a great player!! No argument here.

I agree with this. I feel a lot more comfortable being a tournament team when you can count on more than 1 guy. Everyone has off nights, and it showed that our reserves can step up and play good basketball when needed.

I've always liked guys that can give you an all around game and good d. Saying that, I like Konchar's game more, but Daum probably deserves it.

[gopheryote]

Feb 20, 2017 13:46:45 GMT -6 coyotecrazie5 said:

Herein lies the reason, it won't be a Yote that wins SL MVP, we have 2 candidates, that play well together.

Saturday's game tells you all you need to know, 9 players scored, 5 in double figures, and 43 bench points, you won't be scoring MVP points that way.

Daum will likely win it, and he's a great player!! No argument here.

I agree with this. I feel a lot more comfortable being a tournament team when you can count on more than 1 guy. Everyone has off nights, and it showed that our reserves can step up and play good basketball when needed.

I've always liked guys that can give you an all around game and good d. Saying that, I like Konchar's game more, but Daum probably deserves it.

Agreed - I have no problem with Daum winning it. In fact, the reason for the original post was that - by record and how these types of awards are typically given out - who would win it if it goes to a top team's player vs. a great player on an average team (like Chris Streveler, as a thought provoker).

Interesting conversation/debate by all. Except one, anyway.

[yotebewithyou]

I completely agree that Daum should be the league POY. Had the Jacks not turned things around the last few weeks and sat at the 8 seed (or 9th) I don't think you could give him the honor, though

[flashtaco]

I now agree that after last weekends performance that Daum is MVP. I still think Konchar is a great all around player but Daum can score and get to the line/convert with anyone in the nation.

[91jack]

Feb 18, 2017 21:55:11 GMT -6 Yotes said:

Look deeper. He scored 35 from the field on 29 attempts. 51 points is a lot but when one guy takes every shot and defense is thrown out the window it doesn't hold as much weight.

I looked a little closer and don't know what I'm supposed to see. When USD played Oral Roberts, they played 9 players.

Of those 9 players, only Flack (6-7) and Peterson (5-6) had a better FG% than Daum's (7-11).
Only Simpson (2-2) and Hagedorn (4-5) had a better 3-points % than Daum's (7-18).
USD did have three players that went either (2-2) or (4-4) from the line that had a better FT % than Daum's (16-17).

Daum shot a lot of shots but he hit a lot on them so it's tough to argue that he shouldn't be shooting them.

[91jack]

Feb 20, 2017 13:15:20 GMT -6 canislatrans said:

Feb 17, 2017 13:31:48 GMT -6 yotebewithyou said:

If Flack didn't miss a month I'd say he's the team MVP but that honor has to go with Mooney. Flack has more of an all-around game. We're very lucky to have both of them.

Herein lies the reason, it won't be a Yote that wins SL MVP, we have 2 candidates, that play well together.

Saturday's game tells you all you need to know, 9 players scored, 5 in double figures, and 43 bench points, you won't be scoring MVP points that way.

Daum will likely win it, and he's a great player!! No argument here.

This is about as good as you can put it. SDSU's WBB team won the Summit League Tournament twice when Nicole Seekamp won the tournament MVP. SDSU won but they were a deeper more rounded team. Seekamp just played better than anybody on the court. This is the same situation with USD having a more rounded team and that hurts them. Some people say that the MVP has to come off of the winning team and I'm sure that's weighed in but that shouldn't be the only factor.

By the way, SDSU's MBB team has played mainly man-to-man defense in most of their games lately. The main exception was the USD game when SDSU had to go to zone to try to get back in the game.

[coyotecrazie5]

Daum is definitely efficient on offense and can carry his team which is why he will win the MVP. It's hard to tell how SDSU would have done without him on the team as their entire offense would be different, but I would guess they would do much worse than their current record. Because of that he should be MVP. One could argue Konchar for MVP because he is so well rounded as a player. These are his stats vs. Daum's stats ranked in SL conference games. Konchar is top 10, if not top 2 in every category. He also plays the most minutes and only fouls 1.8 times per game which is ridiculous especially with the erratic SL refs every team knows too much about. That proves he is a smart player and being able to log that many minutes without foul trouble is invaluable. The one category he somewhat struggles is the foul line. Daum kills Konchar in that category. I don't think the SDSU fans should be too upset over 95% of the people here voting Daum as MVP and at least having a discussion about any other candidate and one as qualified as Konchar. Daum is much more of a create his own shot player. He is the best player in the league of getting to the line and knocking down shots which is crucial at the end of games as we Yotes fans know. Daum is the more flashy player who can have video game numbers and can straight take over a game. Konchar goes to work with his lunch pail and keeps padding the stat sheet night after night. I've had a great time following the league this year. That includes being able to watch both of these players and they are both only Sophomores?! I think everyone can agree that the SLT and the conference as a whole going forward looks to be very competitive for the foreseeable future. Can we drop the stupid efficiency argument now?

Konchar:
PPG 16.2 (10th)
MPG 36.8 (1st)
FG% 61 (2nd)
3PT% 60.9 (1st)
FT% 69.2 (25th)
FT/G 2.8 (30th)
RPG 10 (1st)
ORPG 2.9 (1st)
1.8 fouls per game
APG 4.6 (5th)
A/TO 2.5 (8th)
SPG 1.5 (5th)
BPG .4 (23th)

Daum:
PPG 27.6 (1st)
MPG 33.6 (10th)
FG% 53.2 (8th)
3PT% 44.2 (13th)
FT% 84.8 (4th)
FT/G 8.3 (1st)
RPG 8.1 (3rd)
ORPG 2.0 (8th)
3 fouls per game
APG 1.6 (32nd)
A/TO 0.7 (50+)
SPG 0.5 (45th)
BPG .3 (38th)

[yote]

Feb 21, 2017 13:45:42 GMT -6 91jack said:

Feb 18, 2017 21:55:11 GMT -6 Yotes said:

Look deeper. He scored 35 from the field on 29 attempts. 51 points is a lot but when one guy takes every shot and defense is thrown out the window it doesn't hold as much weight.

I looked a little closer and don't know what I'm supposed to see. When USD played Oral Roberts, they played 9 players.

Of those 9 players, only Flack (6-7) and Peterson (5-6) had a better FG% than Daum's (7-11).
Only Simpson (2-2) and Hagedorn (4-5) had a better 3-points % than Daum's (7-18).
USD did have three players that went either (2-2) or (4-4) from the line that had a better FT % than Daum's (16-17).

Daum shot a lot of shots but he hit a lot on them so it's tough to argue that he shouldn't be shooting them.

Don't know what you're looking for 91Jack but it appears that 90% of those on the forum agree that Daum is the best in the conference, and on a USD board no less. Daum is a great offensive weapon, better than any other in this conference. Unfortunately for rabbit fans there isn't much support for him right now so the team is average.

I think most on the board also agree no Yote will get MVP, which is a product of the overall balance of the team and injury for Flack. Otherwise one could argue Flack could be considered as he changes the game for us when healthy and comes from a winning team which could offset the differential in stats against Daum. But that is not total reality. Flack was hurt. Daum puts up huge numbers. Daum should get MVP. Or Konchar. They both pass the eye test but I guess Daum would get MVP because his offensive stats pop out and that is what people like.

NDSU has a similar MVP problem as the Yotes. One of their most valuable player's doesn't even start all the time (Werner). While it should be that one of the best teams get's the MVP this year there's no clear cut candidate from the top of the conference.

The only major knock on Daum is that it's hard to say you're MVP of the league when you've haven't even been able to propel your team to a .500 record. Most on the board get it though. He's a unique talent.

[coyoterj]

It's possible to me that you could have 2 different winners and here's why. There is the "Player of the Year" which is voted on as THE BEST PLAYER OVERALL. Then there is the "Most VALUABLE Player." Is the BEST player in the conference necessarily the most valuable to their team? Define valuable? To me, POTY and MVP are 2 distinctly different awards that may or may not be the same person. JMO

[statguy]

Just pulled Flack's numbers into the discussion for kicks. Big difference being his number of minutes and fewer games. Very efficient when playing.

Konchar:
Conference PER:27.4
PPG 16.2 (10th)
MPG 36.8 (1st)
FG% 61 (2nd)
3PT% 60.9 (1st)
FT% 69.2 (25th)
FT/G 2.8 (30th)
RPG 10 (1st)
ORPG 2.9 (1st)
1.8 fouls per game
APG 4.6 (5th)
A/TO 2.5 (8th)
SPG 1.5 (5th)
BPG .4 (23th)

Daum:
Conference PER:34.2
PPG 27.6 (1st)
MPG 33.6 (10th)
FG% 53.2 (8th)
3PT% 44.2 (13th)
FT% 84.8 (4th)
FT/G 8.3 (1st)
RPG 8.1 (3rd)
ORPG 2.0 (8th)
3 fouls per game
APG 1.6 (32nd)
A/TO 0.7 (50+)
SPG 0.5 (45th)
BPG .3 (38th)

Flack:
Conference PER:37.7
PPG 19.6 (5th)
MPG 26.0 (37th)
FG% 65.1 (2nd)
3PT% 33.3 (33rd)
FT% 76.0 (20th)
FT/G 3.6 (14th)
RPG 5.7 (13th)
ORPG 1.7 (12th)
2.3 fouls per game
APG 1.3 (37th)
A/TO 0.8 (50+)
SPG 0.5 (41st)
BPG 1.9 (2nd)