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Post by elcoyote on Aug 10, 2017 12:17:50 GMT -6
My opinion is that what he did is bad, but I think actually kicking him off the team would be even worse. He committed this crime when he was 16 years old and didn't he already serve his punishment for this crime. Why does he have to continue to serve his punishment? People can disagree with him being on the team and that is fine but I don't think anyone should demand it. Isn't this country about second chances. He didn't do anything wrong while he was a student at Youngstown so I think he should be given forgiveness. Just my opinion and maybe it's an unpopular one. Awesome, 16 years old... he certainly didn't realize that this was wrong. Just having a little fun with gang rape, peeing on the victim, filming it all for posterity and then intimidation after. The girl was 16 too. I wonder how she's doing. No one seems to be too concerned with that. Of course she might not be very good at football.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 10, 2017 15:55:16 GMT -6
My opinion is that what he did is bad, but I think actually kicking him off the team would be even worse. He committed this crime when he was 16 years old and didn't he already serve his punishment for this crime. Why does he have to continue to serve his punishment? People can disagree with him being on the team and that is fine but I don't think anyone should demand it. Isn't this country about second chances. He didn't do anything wrong while he was a student at Youngstown so I think he should be given forgiveness. Just my opinion and maybe it's an unpopular one. Awesome, 16 years old... he certainly didn't realize that this was wrong. Just having a little fun with gang rape, peeing on the victim, filming it all for posterity and then intimidation after. The girl was 16 too. I wonder how she's doing. No one seems to be too concerned with that. Of course she might not be very good at football. No one is disputing that what he did was crappy. I believe the question is more about whether or not someone is willing to forgive him. I don't know everything about this kids life and don't know what he has done since the crime to be a better person. If he learned from it and cleaned up his act then I could likely live with him playing. If he is still a dirt bag then he probably doesn't deserve to be playing. It was Youngstown State's choice to admit him to the University and I think it should be their choice and the coaching staff's choice whether he should continue on the team. I am not going to play judge and jury without knowing more about his situation. As long as he has done his punishment I generally lean on the side of being quicker to forgive then to condemn but every situation is different.
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 11, 2017 7:49:14 GMT -6
There is a difference between a person getting a second chance and being put in a position where he represents an institution. Nobody is really debating this person having the opportunity to go to school, get an education, better his life, and become a productive member of society. What people are debating is whether this is the type of person that should be representing the university. Make no mistake, when an athlete puts on the uniform for their school they are a representative of that school. As far as second chances go this person has received a second chance, a second chance at freedom from incarceration. Playing football at a university is a privilege, not a right. He forfeited that privilege when he participated in a gang rape and urination on an unconscious girl.
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Post by elcoyote on Aug 11, 2017 21:24:23 GMT -6
Awesome, 16 years old... he certainly didn't realize that this was wrong. Just having a little fun with gang rape, peeing on the victim, filming it all for posterity and then intimidation after. The girl was 16 too. I wonder how she's doing. No one seems to be too concerned with that. Of course she might not be very good at football. No one is disputing that what he did was crappy. I believe the question is more about whether or not someone is willing to forgive him. I don't know everything about this kids life and don't know what he has done since the crime to be a better person. If he learned from it and cleaned up his act then I could likely live with him playing. If he is still a dirt bag then he probably doesn't deserve to be playing. It was Youngstown State's choice to admit him to the University and I think it should be their choice and the coaching staff's choice whether he should continue on the team. I am not going to play judge and jury without knowing more about his situation. As long as he has done his punishment I generally lean on the side of being quicker to forgive then to condemn but every situation is different. Again...any concern for the girl? What if she was your daughter?
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Post by yoteforever on Aug 11, 2017 22:58:38 GMT -6
This crime was absolutely heinous. If he had been an adult, he would be in prison for a very long time. Poor decision to let him be on the team. It's to fresh in people's minds.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 12, 2017 4:29:19 GMT -6
No one is disputing that what he did was crappy. I believe the question is more about whether or not someone is willing to forgive him. I don't know everything about this kids life and don't know what he has done since the crime to be a better person. If he learned from it and cleaned up his act then I could likely live with him playing. If he is still a dirt bag then he probably doesn't deserve to be playing. It was Youngstown State's choice to admit him to the University and I think it should be their choice and the coaching staff's choice whether he should continue on the team. I am not going to play judge and jury without knowing more about his situation. As long as he has done his punishment I generally lean on the side of being quicker to forgive then to condemn but every situation is different. Again...any concern for the girl? What if she was your daughter? and Again I already mentioned that what he did was crappy. If it was my daughter of course I would be angry especially at the time I found out about it. My comments are not designed to diminish what he did as obviously it was horrible. The argument is and has never been a debate that the crime he committed wasn't terrible. It sounds like he has kept his nose fairly clean since that time and IMO 5 years is enough time for forgiveness to begin to set in. Some just will never be able to forgive him or it will take a very long time for many to forgive. Pelini let him have a chance to be on the team provided he met specific conditions and it sounds like he did meet those conditions and it also sounds like he has done a good job keeping out of trouble since he has been at YSU. Many people consider Pelini to be loose with his morals but it sounds like he didn't just look the other way and has dismissed plenty of other players from his past teams for inappropriate conduct of some sort. As far as representing the University there are plenty of ways to do that and it can certainly be argued that just by attending a person is representing their University. Football is just a very high profile way to represent. deadspin.com/bo-pelini-defends-decision-to-let-steubenville-rapist-m-1797617229
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Post by easmus on Aug 12, 2017 7:57:02 GMT -6
It's a tricky deal to put it mildly. At 16 you should know the difference between right and wrong, but the brain also isn't fully developed. If under any level of influence the decision making is also impaired not to mention mob mentality. If he has repented and changed some of his behaviors then I can understand being offered a second chance. If it was my daughter I would probably be furious but I also wouldn't be impartial if she was my daughter. Is this young man never allowed to do anything ever again that he enjoys, or makes him laugh, or represents any institution or employer ever again? If not, how do we expect him to be a productive member of society? Are people being somewhat self-righteous simply because this is Pelini? I honestly don't know the answers to all these questions.
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Post by YoKid on Aug 21, 2017 18:09:34 GMT -6
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Post by yotebewithyou on Aug 21, 2017 18:16:01 GMT -6
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 21, 2017 20:09:44 GMT -6
Wow. What a mess.
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Post by elcoyote on Aug 21, 2017 21:02:03 GMT -6
Just sad
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 21, 2017 22:04:33 GMT -6
Unreal to say the least. Even being quite forgiving my though is that is really, really f**ked up. What kind of a morals were being taught in that household. I guess when things don't go your way the right way is to take the law into your own hands and commit a despicable crime.
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Post by elcoyote on Sept 14, 2017 1:02:48 GMT -6
So...it seems this little drama has reared its ugly head again. Mr. Richardson is suing Youngstown State for damages and seeking an injunction for him to play. Bo and Jim, please take your cesspool of a team and joke of a university to some other conference. You're not in our footprint anyway and I don't think your values match the values of the other conference universities, at least not the ones in the Dakotas. How about you go play Baylor instead.
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Post by usdtator on Sept 17, 2017 18:57:34 GMT -6
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Post by Yotes on Sept 17, 2017 20:01:17 GMT -6
It's downright embarrassing that we are associated with Youngstown State and Bo Pelini. We might be tied to him for a while too, I have to wonder if anyone else would employ him after this (coupled with his Nebraska experience).
I hope that whichever Pelini cutout I paid for last time they visited is still around the Dome somewhere.
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