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Post by yotemeal on Feb 18, 2011 12:51:46 GMT -6
Plenty of blame to go around for this team's shortcomings. And there's no doubt guard play doesn't deserve a share of the blame.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 18, 2011 12:56:14 GMT -6
Yeah, sign up please.
I said talented AND experienced. Mr. Gruis is no doubt talented, I think he is going to be special, but he is still very young. And yes, I have watched the team play, and from these untrained eyes I see the Coyotes getting beat inside. I am not blinded by our "superstar" guards, I just think we need need more depth and more developed talent on the inside. I also think we go with a small lineup to often.
I guess that's what I get for commenting on basketball this season. I'll stick to the football side of the board from now on.
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Post by pierreyote on Feb 18, 2011 13:14:43 GMT -6
Yote53, I agree with you and I believe alot of others would as well. Keep posting on hoops and don't worry when some, fly by poster gets all pissy. They are typically family, friends or gf's. They tend to be over emotional. I am guilty of this myself.
* Please don't get me wrong I want any and all people to join and family, friend and gf's have some great insight on the program and I want to welcome them to the Yote family.
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Post by yotemeal on Feb 18, 2011 13:19:43 GMT -6
I hastily compiled these statistical tidbits regarding Great West teams:
FG%-FT%-3P%-3s Attempted-Rebounds
USD .451 - .669 - .331 - 553 - 946 UVU .444 - .772 - .377 - 435 - 1035 NJIT .434 - .621 - .361 - 498 - 845 HBU .406 - .657 - .353 - 442 - 862 UND .428 - .698 - .343 - 420 - 811 CSU .406 - .650 - .309 - 427 - 954 UTPA .426 - .677 - .378 - 529 - 799
These are raw figures. They may be skewed if one team has played more games than another, etc., etc., etc. A stat that does stick out is that we take more 3s than anyone, yet we're not particularly good at making them.
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Post by yotemeal on Feb 18, 2011 13:23:30 GMT -6
I would also add that the Great West, as a whole, is remarkably awful at shooting free throws. Shaqtastic.
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Post by usdlaw on Feb 18, 2011 15:51:00 GMT -6
Those stats show why it is obvious UVU is leading the league
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Post by littleyote on Feb 18, 2011 18:46:56 GMT -6
I am not a parent, friend or girlfriend of any of the players. At my advanced age it would be hard to be any of the above. HA HA! Yote 53, I respect your opinion and would like offer an opposing view point. IMHO Gruis and Andreotti work their tales off and are being miss used. People complain when Gruis does not get a rebound. When defensively we are playing a zone (which is what is killing our defense). Gruis is drawn away from the basket defending the bigs. When a shot goes up Gruis generally finds a man that he is nearest and puts a body on him and boxes out, only to see all of the opposing team players receive no box out and come charging in for a rebound. Gruis may be holding his man at 5 - 10 feet away from the basket with a box out but when his team mates do not box out their guy all he did was make a nice open hole for the opposing players to get the rebound. Each player is responsible to box out. It does not matter at which spot they are at they need to box out. If this basic principle would be coached you would see that all of the USD players in between the basket and their opponents ready to receive a rebound. The only chance then for a missed rebound opportunity would be the long board which would bounce over top. This type of boxing out is extremely hard to do when playing a zone defense. But coach Boots is intent on playing a zone so they will have to sacrifice many things in a game. If you follow any college basketball at all you would know that any team that plays good man to man defense also rebounds well and is considered a top program. On the offensive end Gruis spends much of his time at the 3 point line setting screens and is expected to get all of the rebounds as well. As of late Gruis has been in the game without Andreotti. With a potential 180 degree radius for a rebound to come off of the rim I would say that it is a tall task to ask any player to get all of the rebounds. IMHO put Gruis and Andreotti in the game together and post them up down low and leave them down low our game would change dramatically. Force our guards to play defense on the perimeter as they should, not allowing the opposing teams to drive down the center at will and expect Gruis and Andreotti to clean up the mess. It takes 5 players each playing their part in order to have a successful program and Until Coach Boots decides to make all 5 players on the floor each do their part they will struggle to have success. I have seen Gruis play in AAU ball with the Schoolers. When I heard he was coming to USD I felt we had a good recruit to work with for future years. He has been asked to play more minutes as freshman than I would have thought. I personally think that he is doing an outstanding job making the transition from high school ball to D1. If all of the players on this team would play with the heart that a few of them do then we would not be having this conversation on this board. Go Yotes!
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Post by yote howl on Feb 18, 2011 20:49:43 GMT -6
I was not trying to chase anyone off. I just wanted to make a point. Gruis's defense is not very good i will agree with that, but he is the leading rebounder. I also agree that Andreotti and Gruis should be playing at the same time and if they are not getting it done then try Conrad or Bartling. I just get fired up when i see people blame so much on the lack of inside experience when that is the least of this teams problems at this point. Rebounding is always a tougher task when having to do it out of a zone. now that being said, its not impossible. I think our defensive strategy as a whole needs to be re-thought.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 18, 2011 21:09:17 GMT -6
This conversation is getting real interesting. We have had more valuable analysis in the past couple of days than we have had in the previous month. All I can say is keep it up Yote fans, it makes the board much more worth logging into.
Several fans are making good honest posts and definately worthwhile posts. Love it. Ok now to the bigger picture and the point of the post.
I have been supportive of Boots for the most part but I am absolutely ready to talk and hear about the future at any point. I was very hard on Boots a few years ago and definately questioned whether USD basketball needed a change at the top. I am not saying yes or no but it's always good to take a peek in the mirror.
My question to the masses, Are we going in the right direction with Boots at the helm? People don't like to address this topic but by most of the recent comments I would imagine that many are open to the idea of just simply going in a new direction. I am definately a fence sitter when it comes to the topic of the mens basketball team. One year seems pretty good and than the next seems not so good. it's kind of been a revolving trend over the past few years. This program is not a disaster by any means but on the other hand with things as they are now can we honestly expect to be an upper tier Summit team. Last year the question was legit, this year it's a major stretch to imagine that USD is in that category. My gosh SDSU just smoked IPFW on the road. The same type of team that routinely beats most Great West teams by 20 or more.
USD has new players that have more talent. Obviously Cain was a huge, huge loss but I believe over the past couple of years the supporting cast has gotten better or at least more talented. The heart of this team has been questioned on the board of at least some of the players who have remained unnamed. The issue of heart was a major factor of the 2008 underachieving team. They had issues with their will and at many times I see that same problem with this years team as well.
I am not taking a stance right now because I want to hear what others think first. I think this is a more than fair question especially considering the recent comments. If it wasn't for the recent comments I would have never brought this up.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Feb 19, 2011 0:52:37 GMT -6
Boots isn't going anywhere until Jordan graduates honestly. Plus, when he is gone, Joey James is the heir apparent unless Sayler sees something not right there. I just think that the forwards need to develop and the right people are there. Boots has had major success at a place that isn't a basketball facility, so I always feel he gotten some pretty good recruits despite a Minnesota Vikings facility situation.
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Post by coachk on Feb 19, 2011 8:24:56 GMT -6
Looking at our stats & comparing them to the other conference teams we are really in the middle of the pack; www.greatwestconference.org/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2010-2011/confldrs.htmlWe are not terrible at rebounding compared to the other teams, our shooting is just as bad as the rest of the teams in the conference, our turn overs & assists are better than most in our conference, we score points and get more shots then most teams in conference. The real missing ingredient from last year is CHEMISTRY. The seniors last year led the team & had chemistry between all the players. This years team has no chemistry. I'm sure the two seniors try to lead the guys, but it's just not the same as last year. I think if the coaching staff keeps bringing in JUCO kids on a yearly basis then the lack of chemistry will continue. Last year you had three players who played together for at least three years. Sure we brought in two JUCo kids to enhance the team last year, but we had a core. Now there is no core & our leading player is a first year JUCO who is not a team builder like Cain. Players are transfering in the middle of the year, the bench has been shortened hurting player development. We have wasted player development of scholarship players by playing them a few minutes against lower level competition. They should have redshirted Bartling if they were not going to play him. Coaches can not build team chemistry only players can, but coaches can screw it up!
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Post by wileycoyote on Feb 19, 2011 9:43:44 GMT -6
From Coach K: "We are not terrible at rebounding compared to the other teams, our shooting is just as bad as the rest of the teams in the conference, our turn overs & assists are better than most in our conference, we score points and get more shots then most teams in conference.'
"The real missing ingredient from last year is CHEMISTRY."
You are so correct. Some games we rebound well, some games we shoot well etc.etc.etc. That's why we have season stats and can look at the overall picture. As far as wanting Boots to leave I think that's crazy! But I do think he might need to adjust his game plan slightly to fit the group of players he's working with. We have lots of talent, some young and inexperienced and some veterans. Each player has brought with them different "TEAM" experience. Some are used to playing/were coached to play as a team in high school. While others were not. They need to learn to trust each other on the floor and get the job done. As the old saying goes "There's no "I" in TEAM". We've had a few bumps in the road, hence this has sparked some interesting points of view. I hope EVERYONE keeps posting their thoughts and opinions. Remember it's not the gospel, just thought and opinions. GO YOTES!
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Post by yote howl on Feb 19, 2011 11:26:17 GMT -6
That is a great point wiley. Boots has done a good job with this program in the past. But i do think that this team has a lack of chemistry as well as a whole different talent level. when i say talent level i dont mean that they are any better or worse than any other team Boots has coached, but like wiley said, he might need to take this team in a new direction than previous teams. This team might fit a different style of basketball than what Boots is used to. hopefully they can finish the season strong and end above .500. This off season will be huge for the whole team, players and coachs alike. whether we play in the summit or the Great West does not matter until we can find our stride. Once we find that then we can try to measure ourselves against other conference teams.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Feb 19, 2011 12:00:38 GMT -6
Okay, I do have a question about players transferring out. Who besides Warner has transferred out? In Warner's case, he is a head case. Even though he has been good for Dordt, the coaches are so frustrated by him. Just wondering who else transferred, and oh, if you don't have the depth, you can't really redshirt someone. Bartling needed to play out of necessity.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 19, 2011 13:11:35 GMT -6
Yote Howl, nobody is going to scare me off. Most of the people on here know I am a football guy who played here years ago and am trying to follow the basketball team this year. I'll admit I don't know a whole lot about basketball since my watching of the game centers around March Madness and that is about it. I didn't grow up playing basketball in the winter, instead I played a much better game, hockey. Had to get that dig in. That said, when I post about something I am admittedly not an expert in the nuances of the game of basketball. My opinions come from just watching the game and calling them as I see them. I just see that we don't have much of an inside game. I see that Mr. Gruis has a lot of talent and will develop into a very good player. Others here have expanded with their knowledge on why we don't have a good inside game, scheme, lineup, etc. I'm going to leave the deep analysis to the more knowledgable on here. Think of me as just posting on the obvious.
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