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Post by jacksfan29 on Mar 14, 2018 7:56:23 GMT -6
Rumor has it he plead guilty with no one around and his attorney got it immediately sealed so no one can see anything about it. You can't normally do that, and I'm sure it's not standard procedure, but everyone wants to keep the details of that quiet. Normally if you get a suspended imp you are on conditions for at least a year and things won't get sealed until you are off conditions, but if they don't give you anything other than a fine then you could get it sealed immediately. I hear his attorney was fighting hard for that because he didn't want the details to get out, like how high his BAC was and that he was drinking Joose. Take it to the bank, you won't hear about another court date. Rumor, I hear, take it to the bank... How are you any different then Angela Koencke? I suggest that if you want to drop rumors as fact you post the name of the person, or at least the profession and location of the person, supposedly giving you the "information". Stig is a big boy who needs to be held accountable for his actions. Once all the info comes out, I'll "take it to the bank" that we will know far more then we know today.
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Post by usdtator on Mar 14, 2018 8:11:50 GMT -6
Rumor has it he plead guilty with no one around and his attorney got it immediately sealed so no one can see anything about it. You can't normally do that, and I'm sure it's not standard procedure, but everyone wants to keep the details of that quiet. Normally if you get a suspended imp you are on conditions for at least a year and things won't get sealed until you are off conditions, but if they don't give you anything other than a fine then you could get it sealed immediately. I hear his attorney was fighting hard for that because he didn't want the details to get out, like how high his BAC was and that he was drinking Joose. Take it to the bank, you won't hear about another court date. Rumor, I hear, take it to the bank... How are you any different then Angela Koencke? I suggest that if you want to drop rumors as fact you post the name of the person, or at least the profession and location of the person, supposedly giving you the "information". Stig is a big boy who needs to be held accountable for his actions. Once all the info comes out, I'll "take it to the bank" that we will know far more then we know today. The point of this discussion right now is that we will never know, because no one is asking any questions. No one is following up on what really happened. He isn't being held accountable for his actions... His bosses agreed to let him do a self-imposed penalty? Does that mean he will suspend himself from coaching the the first four games? Does it mean he can't have SDSU ice cream anymore after 7pm? Does it mean he will no longer allow himself to go watch the pig inseminations being done on campus? What the heck does it mean? We most likely will never know.
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Post by gopheryote on Mar 14, 2018 8:39:13 GMT -6
Just curious - how did anyone know the court date was supposed to be last week? Was that via court records? If the judge/clerk is known, can't anyone request the transcript? I'm a non-lawyer, so I really don't know the answers, but it could be that we don't need a professional journalist to look in to it.
BTW jacksfan29 - are you really trying to say that a professional journalist like Angela K is held to the same standard as an anonymous fanboard? Seems like you and mitchellrabbit been swilling Joose together...
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Post by yotefan on Mar 14, 2018 9:32:50 GMT -6
I have prosecuted several thousand DUI cases and have now defended close to 50-60. What is mind-boggling to me is that apparently no one from any local news outlet bothered to call the Brookings County Clerk of Courts to find out when the plea date was set in this case. As was properly stated earlier, blood results take time to be processed in Pierre and no defendant enters a guilty plea until the results are in. So while the timing is interesting when looking at national signing day I would like to give Stig the benefit of the doubt there. I have not followed this issue as closely as others because I think Stig is a good guy who made a mistake, like most people who get arrested for DUI.
Where I shake my head is over the fact that Stig is a public figure who is one of the highest paid state employees in South Dakota. Further, as the leader of high profile student athletes who are role models subject to training rules you are held to a much higher standard than Joe or Joose-sixpack. For that reason we should be able to count on our local media to at least report the facts. My guess is that Stig used his one-time suspended imposition of sentence in magistrate court (you also get one in circuit court), but in order to request this relief in the first place that process would have taken place in magistrate court in a proceeding open to anyone. Once the court awards this one time act of judicial clemency the records are sealed unless you are a law enforcement agency or Stig violates the underlying terms and conditions of the suspended imp in which case the Brookings County State's Attorney's Office can file an Order to Show Cause and he has to return to explain why he violated the court's conditions and the details of the underlying arrest would likely come back out.
I think all USD fans have a sinking suspicion that if this was Bob, there would have been far more interest, coverage, and insinuation from the local media speculating that USD football was in a bad way after the issues last fall. There appears to be a double standard at play here and while a person's life essentially is their "body of work" (had get some kind of a RPI March Madness reference in there) when they go before a judge, it appears Stig is getting a pass and we as South Dakotans are just left to trust that this was handled appropriately. Our local media fumbled this one badly and frankly so did SDSU and Coach Stig. I know lots of SDSU fans who are just as disappointed with this issue as USD fans. If I were Justin Sell I would have issued some kind of press release, but as we have seen with the NCAA FBI investigations, the hard questions and difficult self-analysis will likely come after the tourney. There is money to be made right now and SDSU can't afford to have any distractions when google hits on athletic and university web pages skyrocket during games and deep tourney runs. I would offer in cases like this we can't afford as a society to let business savvy trump our better judgment and mission of educating students, student athletes and fans in general. And yes, from time to time, our most esteemed of coaches.
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Post by easmus on Mar 14, 2018 9:43:45 GMT -6
Just curious - how did anyone know the court date was supposed to be last week? Was that via court records? If the judge/clerk is known, can't anyone request the transcript? I'm a non-lawyer, so I really don't know the answers, but it could be that we don't need a professional journalist to look in to it. BTW jacksfan29 - are you really trying to say that a professional journalist like Angela K is held to the same standard as an anonymous fanboard? Seems like you and mitchellrabbit been swilling Joose together... When the story first broke, it said he had a court date March 6th.
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Post by usdtator on Mar 14, 2018 10:28:32 GMT -6
I have prosecuted several thousand DUI cases and have now defended close to 50-60. What is mind-boggling to me is that apparently no one from any local news outlet bothered to call the Brookings County Clerk of Courts to find out when the plea date was set in this case. As was properly stated earlier, blood results take time to be processed in Pierre and no defendant enters a guilty plea until the results are in. So while the timing is interesting when looking at national signing day I would like to give Stig the benefit of the doubt there. I have not followed this issue as closely as others because I think Stig is a good guy who made a mistake, like most people who get arrested for DUI. Where I shake my head is over the fact that Stig is a public figure who is one of the highest paid state employees in South Dakota. Further, as the leader of high profile student athletes who are role models subject to training rules you are held to a much higher standard than Joe or Joose-sixpack. For that reason we should be able to count on our local media to at least report the facts. My guess is that Stig used his one-time suspended imposition of sentence in magistrate court (you also get one in circuit court), but in order to request this relief in the first place that process would have taken place in magistrate court in a proceeding open to anyone. Once the court awards this one time act of judicial clemency the records are sealed unless you are a law enforcement agency or Stig violates the underlying terms and conditions of the suspended imp in which case the Brookings County State's Attorney's Office can file an Order to Show Cause and he has to return to explain why he violated the court's conditions and the details of the underlying arrest would likely come back out. I think all USD fans have a sinking suspicion that if this was Bob, there would have been far more interest, coverage, and insinuation from the local media speculating that USD football was in a bad way after the issues last fall. There appears to be a double standard at play here and while a person's life essentially is their "body of work" (had get some kind of a RPI March Madness reference in there) when they go before a judge, it appears Stig is getting a pass and we as South Dakotans are just left to trust that this was handled appropriately. Our local media fumbled this one badly and frankly so did SDSU and Coach Stig. I know lots of SDSU fans who are just as disappointed with this issue as USD fans. If I were Justin Sell I would have issued some kind of press release, but as we have seen with the NCAA FBI investigations, the hard questions and difficult self-analysis will likely come after the tourney. There is money to be made right now and SDSU can't afford to have any distractions when google hits on athletic and university web pages skyrocket during games and deep tourney runs. I would offer in cases like this we can't afford as a society to let business savvy trump our better judgment and mission of educating students, student athletes and fans in general. And yes, from time to time, our most esteemed of coaches. Awesome to have an attorney actually be able to explain this... Also makes our suspicions even more credible. Thanks for the information Yotefan.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 14, 2018 10:54:39 GMT -6
Any way you slice it our tax dollars, or a portion of them either directly or indirectly, go towards SDSU, the SDSU athletic department in the form of institutional funds, therefore towards the SDSU football coaches salary, the Brookings Police Department, Brookings County, and the State of SD judicial system. The public has a right to know whether the law is being enforced or if favoritism is being shown. Especially with all of these entities receiving public funds. This is not a private matter.
Perhaps some enterprising journalism student working at the Volante should file a FOIA request since our state newspaper and other news agencies cannot be bothered to do their job.
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Post by usdcoyote on Mar 14, 2018 12:16:07 GMT -6
Rumor has it he plead guilty with no one around and his attorney got it immediately sealed so no one can see anything about it. You can't normally do that, and I'm sure it's not standard procedure, but everyone wants to keep the details of that quiet. Normally if you get a suspended imp you are on conditions for at least a year and things won't get sealed until you are off conditions, but if they don't give you anything other than a fine then you could get it sealed immediately. I hear his attorney was fighting hard for that because he didn't want the details to get out, like how high his BAC was and that he was drinking Joose. Take it to the bank, you won't hear about another court date. Rumor, I hear, take it to the bank... How are you any different then Angela Koencke? I suggest that if you want to drop rumors as fact you post the name of the person, or at least the profession and location of the person, supposedly giving you the "information". Stig is a big boy who needs to be held accountable for his actions. Once all the info comes out, I'll "take it to the bank" that we will know far more then we know today. If you are waiting for the facts to come out you could be waiting for quite a while. This matter is sealed. Even if you get a suspended imp your file does not become sealed until you are off conditions. The fact that his case is already sealed tells us he didn't get any conditions, he only got a fine. This is not typical at all in the counties I've been in, and from what I hear it's not typical in Brookings either (although I can't say that for absolute certain). The media certainly let him skate on this, and now they are too late. I don't know if they let Stig have his own court date when nobody was else was set or what, but I can say his matter is closed and sealed.
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Post by yote14 on Mar 14, 2018 12:57:35 GMT -6
The rumor I heard was he blew 3 times the legal limit. I know, I know, it's rumor right. I agree and usually do not repeat rumors. But if he truly had a couples glasses of wine and was barely over the limit that would be publicly known. When you want to be shady and hide everything there is probably a reason for it. And at that point the rumor takes hold as truth and you have no one to blame but yourself or prove otherwise.
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Post by usdtator on Mar 14, 2018 13:55:13 GMT -6
I emailed the Brookings Register this morning asking about why they hadn't reported on anything about the case. I then emailed them again just a short time ago asking why they hadn't replied to my earlier email.
The Editor replied:
"I learned today Stiegelmeier pleaded guilty last week and was given a standard DUI sentence, with a suspended imposition of sentence, and his file was sealed, according to the state’s attorney."
Yote14 was absolutely correct. However, that does not let them off the hook for not sending a reporter to the public hearing...
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Post by gopheryote on Mar 14, 2018 14:02:43 GMT -6
I'm curious what our rabbit trolls - I mean friends - think about the whole scenario? Is it 'don't ask/don't tell'? 'We dodged a bullet!' 'No one's DUI should be publicized anyway.' Or some version of 'He is a public face of a public organization - time to face the music.'
Ignoring the optics, which we likely all agree isn't good, are rabbit fans even a little bit bothered by the ethical decisions to duck and cover?
I'm truly curious, not trying to rabble-rouse.
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Post by usdcoyote on Mar 14, 2018 14:06:56 GMT -6
The rumor I heard was he blew 3 times the legal limit. I know, I know, it's rumor right. I agree and usually do not repeat rumors. But if he truly had a couples glasses of wine and was barely over the limit that would be publicly known. When you want to be shady and hide everything there is probably a reason for it. And at that point the rumor takes hold as truth and you have no one to blame but yourself or prove otherwise. Not sure what he blew as I think he was too drunk to give a sample, but I have it on pretty good authority that his blood was 2.5 times the legal limit, so the rumors are pretty close.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 14, 2018 14:17:58 GMT -6
2.5 to 3 times the limit? Holy smokes! A .20 to .240 BAC is ridiculously high for somebody who doesn't drink. A non-drinker gets that high and they wouldn't be upright. Stig had to have been an absolute mess.
Unless the facts are revealed I am going to believe that what we have been able to piece together is probably true. Stig was hammered drunk. He was drinking Joose. It all makes perfect sense now. Stig's cover is totally blown, pretty good evidence he's a closet alcoholic.
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Post by easmus on Mar 14, 2018 14:59:39 GMT -6
I have to hand it to SDSU and Stig's lawyer as they played this thing absolutely beautifully. Don't tell anyone because NLI day is coming up. Drop the news right before the SLT, let it be a media storm for a whole day and send Stig out to talk about his faith and how he has been forgiven. State fans eat from his palm and talk about how great he is. Then the sports media moves on to covering the SLT, all the news is about the Jacks winning both titles, meanwhile Stig goes to court on the 6th and no one is there to report on it, and it gets sealed and forgotten about forever. One of highest paid employees in the state of SD and we will never know anything about it. Vanishes like a fart in the wind.
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Post by usdcoyote on Mar 14, 2018 16:50:14 GMT -6
2.5 to 3 times the limit? Holy smokes! A .20 to .240 BAC is ridiculously high for somebody who doesn't drink. A non-drinker gets that high and they wouldn't be upright. Stig had to have been an absolute mess. Unless the facts are revealed I am going to believe that what we have been able to piece together is probably true. Stig was hammered drunk. He was drinking Joose. It all makes perfect sense now. Stig's cover is totally blown, pretty good evidence he's a closet alcoholic. You are right. Non drinkers don't get to a .20. You need to be a seasoned drinker to get that high, and non drinkers wouldn't choose Joose as their drink of choice.
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