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Post by stevenyote on Mar 25, 2018 12:35:31 GMT -6
Good point on respect!!
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 25, 2018 12:44:57 GMT -6
You know what would be really cool in all of this. If we would get the actual truth of why Smith wants to leave for another job but when it comes to college coaches I doubt we will ever fully get that satisfaction. We can speculate all we want but just knowing the reason he wants to leave could actually help USD going forward. It would be refreshing even if it is not 100% what we want to hear.
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 25, 2018 12:46:55 GMT -6
Posters over on the Utah State message board are busy making fun of South Dakota. Problem is they keep getting USD and SDSU mixed up. I guess a person's brain can get a bit addled when he has more than one wife to try and keep happy.
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Post by stevenyote on Mar 25, 2018 12:51:37 GMT -6
We would have beat USU by 15 this year
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 25, 2018 12:54:42 GMT -6
My only beef is next year is shaping up to be a very solid team that could be an NCAA team. Not finishing that is an issue for me because, remember, we tanked an entire season redshirting those players he brought in hopes for a payoff someday. We haven't got that payoff yet and it doesn't look like we will. Whoever comes in next should not be allowed to tank a season the way that was done. As a matter of fact, that should be a huge red flag for us in the future as it is a sign of a coach building it up for a big run. There was an immediate payoff from sacrificing that season, the team won the Summit League the following season. Didn't exactly fall off a cliff afterwards either. I must have missed our first ever NCAA tournament appearance. Oh yeah, that hasn't happened. No payoff. Like it or not, success in D1 basketball is defined by the NCAA Tournament and he hasn't gotten us there. I have no idea why schools are after our guy when the guy in Brookings has been to two straight tournaments.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 25, 2018 12:58:05 GMT -6
You know what would be really cool in all of this. If we would get the actual truth of why Smith wants to leave for another job but when it comes to college coaches I doubt we will ever fully get that satisfaction. We can speculate all we want but just knowing the reason he wants to leave could actually help USD going forward. It would be refreshing even if it is not 100% what we want to hear. I don’t disagree. My honest guess is just that he has a long term plan and expected to be on to the “next level” after 3-5 years. In other words, I wonder if he much cared where he was at.
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Post by stevenyote on Mar 25, 2018 13:03:40 GMT -6
You know what would be really cool in all of this. If we would get the actual truth of why Smith wants to leave for another job but when it comes to college coaches I doubt we will ever fully get that satisfaction. We can speculate all we want but just knowing the reason he wants to leave could actually help USD going forward. It would be refreshing even if it is not 100% what we want to hear. I don’t disagree. My honest guess is just that he has a long term plan and expected to be on to the “next level” after 3-5 years. In other words, I wonder if he much cared where he was at. My guess is salary is a part- I’ll be surprised if he’s not making more than 500k. Unfortunately we are in a place that this may happen a lot now, I’m completely ok with that if that means we are winning.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 25, 2018 13:07:50 GMT -6
Why don't we just double our salary for the next guy? I mean there are replacement costs and opportunity costs that go with replacing coaches every few years. We might be better off just paying the freight up front. So why not just pay up front? We need to start elevating our pay scales in athletics to MVC standards if we ever want to get to that level of conference. Might as well start now
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Post by yotebewithyou on Mar 25, 2018 13:09:40 GMT -6
I love Craig's energy and enthusiasm but at this point I'd be disappointed if he came back. I understand having your eyes set on going higher and higher but at some point you have to take that "coach talk" about how much he enjoys Vermillion and enjoys his team and call it what it is, bullsh*t.
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Post by usdguy99 on Mar 25, 2018 13:24:21 GMT -6
Why don't we just double our salary for the next guy? I mean there are replacement costs and opportunity costs that go with replacing coaches every few years. We might be better off just paying the freight up front. So why not just pay up front? We need to start elevating our pay scales in athletics to MVC standards if we ever want to get to that level of conference. Might as well start now I think salary is the main driving point in this discussion. The new coach at Colorado State received a 5 year contract at a base of $700k with $25k annual raises. Big family, big expenses. If he does take the job, if offered, it will be unfortunate but it will be next man up.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Mar 25, 2018 13:25:11 GMT -6
There was an immediate payoff from sacrificing that season, the team won the Summit League the following season. Didn't exactly fall off a cliff afterwards either. I must have missed our first ever NCAA tournament appearance. Oh yeah, that hasn't happened. No payoff. Like it or not, success in D1 basketball is defined by the NCAA Tournament and he hasn't gotten us there. I have no idea why schools are after our guy when the guy in Brookings has been to two straight tournaments. Easy, Mike Daum. If TJ wins without Daum I'm sure he will get better offers, much better than USU (probably BIG10).
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 25, 2018 13:26:32 GMT -6
I love Craig's energy and enthusiasm but at this point I'd be disappointed if he came back. I understand having your eyes set on going higher and higher but at some point you have to take that "coach talk" about how much he enjoys Vermillion and enjoys his team and call it what it is, bullsh*t. I also wonder if it was the coach that checked out more or the team when it came to that CBI game. I don't blame the team one bit for laying that egg but it really makes ya wonder. I do think Smith was genuine in his comments and wanting to be in Vermillion but ya wonder how much of it was exaggerated and unfortunately due to the business and the dog eat dog world you just can't take what a coach says at face value. The unfortunate part of all this is now we are entering an era where the same questions will start being able to be asked about players with the new grad transfer rule.
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Post by teamsd on Mar 25, 2018 13:27:31 GMT -6
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Mar 25, 2018 13:32:29 GMT -6
You know what would be really cool in all of this. If we would get the actual truth of why Smith wants to leave for another job but when it comes to college coaches I doubt we will ever fully get that satisfaction. We can speculate all we want but just knowing the reason he wants to leave could actually help USD going forward. It would be refreshing even if it is not 100% what we want to hear. I don’t disagree. My honest guess is just that he has a long term plan and expected to be on to the “next level” after 3-5 years. In other words, I wonder if he much cared where he was at. 95% of coaches in today's environment will always be looking to move up. Every mid-major or lower P5 coach would move up to coach Duke/UNC ect if given the chance. Look at CFB, Jimbo Fischer left FSU for Texas A&M which I would consider a lesser job, but money talks. Who knows, this may be another negotiation tactic for Smith, but I am not going to worry much either way. Herbster has known that Smith has been shopping, and I am sure if he leaves Herbie has quality candidates in line. To quote a fan from the USU board, this is how I am starting to feel about coaches: "I would feel for these fans losing a coach. But then I remembered how it made me feel and that is why i literally stopped caring about any coach. It's awesome if we get a coach in here that does good. But I no longer think for a second they stay long if they do. Nor do I lose any sleep over it"
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Mar 25, 2018 13:35:26 GMT -6
Why don't we just double our salary for the next guy? I mean there are replacement costs and opportunity costs that go with replacing coaches every few years. We might be better off just paying the freight up front. So why not just pay up front? We need to start elevating our pay scales in athletics to MVC standards if we ever want to get to that level of conference. Might as well start now I think salary is the main driving point in this discussion. The new coach at Colorado State received a 5 year contract at a base of $700k with $25k annual raises. Big family, big expenses. If he does take the job, if offered, it will be unfortunate but it will be next man up. It would be difficult to turn down an opportunity like that, that is a ton of security.
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