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Post by gorabbits on May 24, 2018 11:45:54 GMT -6
If Augie is allowed to join the Summit the next call should be to the Big Sky to see if they would take us back. Orchestrate a move of all 4 Dakota schools to the Big Sky. Augustana is not D1 material, no way, no how. They more resemble Centenary, and we all saw how that turned out. Not a big UMKC fan, but if they are the only one available to stabilize the Summit then we take them back. See why this is a crappy conference, we make decisions based on survival instead of strength. If you want to be in a stronger conference, The Big Sky is not the way to go, In men's basketball, last year the Summit ranked 16 and the Big Sky 23, in Women's basketball the Summit was 14th to the Big Sky's 17th in football, the MVC ranked 8th and the Big Sky 13th (including all DI leagues, Add in the additional travel and the effect of time zones on press coverage and the move would be similar in wisdon to UMKC moving to the WAC. All ratings are from Sagarin. Other rankings systems give different numbers but same comparisons.
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Post by Yote 53 on May 24, 2018 11:59:30 GMT -6
If Augie is allowed to join the Summit the next call should be to the Big Sky to see if they would take us back. Orchestrate a move of all 4 Dakota schools to the Big Sky. Augustana is not D1 material, no way, no how. They more resemble Centenary, and we all saw how that turned out. Not a big UMKC fan, but if they are the only one available to stabilize the Summit then we take them back. See why this is a crappy conference, we make decisions based on survival instead of strength. If you want to be in a stronger conference, The Big Sky is not the way to go, In men's basketball, last year the Summit ranked 16 and the Big Sky 23, in Women's basketball the Summit was 14th to the Big Sky's 17th in football, the MVC ranked 8th and the Big Sky 13th (including all DI leagues, Add in the additional travel and the effect of time zones on press coverage and the move would be similar in wisdon to UMKC moving to the WAC. All ratings are from Sagarin. Other rankings systems give different numbers but same comparisons. Ratings don't do you any good if the conference implodes. If we are talking about conference strength in terms of stability the BSC is way ahead of the Summit. The BSC is going to be around for the long foreseeable future, the Summit could implode tomorrow based on the announcement of one school leaving.
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Post by Linus on May 24, 2018 12:13:17 GMT -6
Yes, kidding bout the GW of course.. Like it or not, I think this all but solidifies the push for Augie to D1. Assuming no one leaves, Augie would make it 10 teams. Thats about as stable as a middle of the road conference can get right now. I think we could obviously have UMKC at the drop of a dime as well-Not that we want them. Just out of curiousity, what bigger conference is interested in gobbling up the Dakota schools? The Missouri Valley? Is giving up a tournament in our back yard worth that move? I think the dream of a MVC all sports conference is exactly that, a pipe dream, unless they have 2-3 of the private schools gobbled up by someone else. I do agree that they cant seem to figure out the scheduling for BB. They change the methodology almost every year, and yes they need to cater to their rivalries-big ticket games. Personally I think they should backload the schedule a little more. Have the regular season lead into the Summit tourney, since that is all that really matters. Wasn’t the last regular season game that the USD men played against SDSU up in Brookings? Is this what you mean by having the regular season lead into the SLT?
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Post by Yotes on May 24, 2018 17:27:07 GMT -6
If Augie is allowed to join the Summit the next call should be to the Big Sky to see if they would take us back. Orchestrate a move of all 4 Dakota schools to the Big Sky. Augustana is not D1 material, no way, no how. They more resemble Centenary, and we all saw how that turned out. Not a big UMKC fan, but if they are the only one available to stabilize the Summit then we take them back. See why this is a crappy conference, we make decisions based on survival instead of strength. If you want to be in a stronger conference, The Big Sky is not the way to go, In men's basketball, last year the Summit ranked 16 and the Big Sky 23, in Women's basketball the Summit was 14th to the Big Sky's 17th in football, the MVC ranked 8th and the Big Sky 13th (including all DI leagues, Add in the additional travel and the effect of time zones on press coverage and the move would be similar in wisdon to UMKC moving to the WAC. All ratings are from Sagarin. Other rankings systems give different numbers but same comparisons. Pretend the 4 Dakota schools were currently independent and looking for a home together. Here's who they could affiliate with: Summit: Fort Wayne, Western Illinois, UNO, Oral Roberts, Denver. Big Sky: Montana, Montana State, Idaho, Idaho State, Eastern Washington, Northern Colorado, Weber State, Northern Arizona, Sacramento State, Southern Utah, Portland State. The Summit will come with a conference tournament close to our home, but could dissolve in an instant. The Big Sky is an incredibly stable conference that hasn't lost a member since 2001, and the other institutions are peer institutions, but(?) the tournament is in a neutral state. The move would also give all sports a home in one conference. A conference that has the Dakotas as the lone anchor will never thrive.
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Post by easmus on May 24, 2018 18:09:39 GMT -6
Isn’t the Big Sky losing UND?
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Post by gorabbits on May 24, 2018 18:36:58 GMT -6
Ask your AD which conference is best for USD. I don't think it will take him more than a second to answer.
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Post by yotebewithyou on May 24, 2018 20:23:16 GMT -6
Isn’t the Big Sky losing UND? And Idaho left for FBS and is coming back
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Post by Yotes on May 24, 2018 20:39:30 GMT -6
Isn’t the Big Sky losing UND? And Idaho left for FBS and is coming back Iadho's departure was over 20 years ago. UND is leaving, first school to leave since 2001.
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Post by Yotes on May 24, 2018 20:46:18 GMT -6
Ask your AD which conference is best for USD. I don't think it will take him more than a second to answer. Great point. The public figure leading an athletic program is required to give a completely honest assessment when asked by a random fan. You could trade about any (non-Dakota) Summit member out for a Big Sky member and it would be an upgrade or equal replacement. The Summit is not built to last if we're counting on the Dakotas to be the lone foundation.
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Post by yotebewithyou on May 24, 2018 21:22:47 GMT -6
And Idaho left for FBS and is coming back Iadho's departure was over 20 years ago. UND is leaving, first school to leave since 2001. My bad, got my conferences mixed up
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Post by golfingyote on May 25, 2018 7:03:05 GMT -6
The Big sky does not really interest me since we already play in the best football conference. The only thing that I would be pro for is if we could someone entice the Montana schools and maybe Weber state into an all sports conference. Other than that I just do not see the intrigue? We are going to leave the other Dakota schools to go play our basketball conference tourney in Boise in front of 700 fans?
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Post by kiyoat on May 25, 2018 8:10:32 GMT -6
IMO the main way to increase our stock (the Summit, or the Dakota-4) would be to increase our payout from the NCAA tournament. That can be done in two ways:
1. Get multiple teams into the tournament 2. Get a win or two in the tournament
Option 1 is very difficult to achieve at the mid-major level. The cards are stacked against us. Option 2 can realistically happen, and has happened. This is where RPI helps get a better seed. An individual team's strength can fluctuate wildly from year to year, but the teams that are investing in athletics more often than not will have the better RPI. I don't care how big the school is, or if they play football. Just invest in basketball, and our RPI will increase.
For both options we have to maintain the auto-bid. So our first realistic move is to add some baseball-only or men's soccer-only or men's golf-only members. Doesn't matter much who they are IMO, but getting a potential target school would be smart. That would be our buffer against loss of schools. Why wait until we lose a school to add affiliate members in the vulnerable sports? I'm directing this question to Tom Douple.
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Post by Yote 53 on May 25, 2018 8:38:55 GMT -6
Or current member schools, like USD, could add sports like baseball or men's soccer. Why don't we make giving more opportunities to male athletes a part of this discussion? It would solve some of the issues the Summit has.
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Post by kiyoat on May 25, 2018 9:14:58 GMT -6
Or current member schools, like USD, could add sports like baseball or men's soccer. Why don't we make giving more opportunities to male athletes a part of this discussion? It would solve some of the issues the Summit has. Sounds good to me. Baseball would actually be something fans would get behind and follow. Title IX means you would also be adding another women's sport, too. For whatever reason, baseball and wrestling have traditionally been sports that schools cut for financial reasons. Look at UND. The cost of building/maintaining a separate facility might be a factor in baseball. I would personally rather watch Coyote baseball than many of the existing sports.
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Post by usdtator on May 25, 2018 9:15:49 GMT -6
Or current member schools, like USD, could add sports like baseball or men's soccer. Why don't we make giving more opportunities to male athletes a part of this discussion? It would solve some of the issues the Summit has. Title IX won't allow USD to add anymore men's sports. Student ratio of 62% female to 38% male, prohibits having anymore men's sports.
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