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Post by kiyoat on May 25, 2018 9:20:24 GMT -6
Or Hockey. We already have three of the nation's best D-1 Hockey programs in the Summit League. Just add 3 affiliate members, and the Summit could sponsor Hockey. That would eliminate the need for either baseball, m Golf, or m soccer to maintain 6 teams.
Have Denver, North Dakota & Omaha switch from the National Collegiate Hockey Conference to the Summit, and take Colorado Springs, St. Cloud and maybe Duluth with them (as affiliate members)
Add Air Force as an affiliate Hockey member from the Atlantic Hockey Conference (they are a geographic outlier there)
Add Mankato from the Western Collegiate Hockey Assoc.
Add UNC Baseball as an affiliate.
After a few years of that, bring in more affiliate sports from Northern Colorado, Mankato and St. Cloud......
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Post by yotebewithyou on May 25, 2018 9:44:43 GMT -6
Or current member schools, like USD, could add sports like baseball or men's soccer. Why don't we make giving more opportunities to male athletes a part of this discussion? It would solve some of the issues the Summit has. Title IX won't allow USD to add anymore men's sports. Student ratio of 62% female to 38% male, prohibits having anymore men's sports. I'm pretty sure the only reason they added women's triathlon was to satisfy Title IX discrepancies
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Post by kiyoat on May 25, 2018 9:45:20 GMT -6
OK, we couldn't add any affiliate sports other than Hockey from Mankato or St. Cloud because they are D-II. We COULD add Northern Colorado as an affiliate member in women's swimming. They play baseball and women's swimming in the WAC currently.
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Post by usdtator on May 25, 2018 9:45:26 GMT -6
Title IX won't allow USD to add anymore men's sports. Student ratio of 62% female to 38% male, prohibits having anymore men's sports. I'm pretty sure the only reason they added women's triathlon was to satisfy Title IX discrepancies Yes
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Post by kiyoat on May 25, 2018 9:50:46 GMT -6
Air Force also plays men's soccer and men's swimming/diving in the WAC. We could try to add them in three sports as an affiliate. (with Hockey) They would actually save a lot in travel IMO.
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Post by Yote 53 on May 25, 2018 14:57:15 GMT -6
Or current member schools, like USD, could add sports like baseball or men's soccer. Why don't we make giving more opportunities to male athletes a part of this discussion? It would solve some of the issues the Summit has. Title IX won't allow USD to add anymore men's sports. Student ratio of 62% female to 38% male, prohibits having anymore men's sports. Title 9 is an antiquated law that needs to go away. It no longer promotes women's athletics it only serves to deprive male athletes of opportunities. Our performance in the Olympics is all the proof one needs. Dominant on the women's side, no longer dominant on the men's.
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Post by Yotes on May 25, 2018 17:09:19 GMT -6
Maybe it needs to be reworked, but Title 9 is still very necessary. If the requirement to field women's sports was lifted I'm sure many schools would abandon them.
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Post by kiyoat on May 30, 2018 13:51:00 GMT -6
kwsn.com/podcasts/sports-talk-with-kwsn/5093/matt-zimmer-on-augie-baseball-future-of-summit-augie-national-anthem-controversy/KWSN had Zimmer on yesterday. Among the topics discussed was SL offices moving, Augie and Summit expansion. (Starting at 10:30) John: ...The S.L headquarters are moving to SF on a plat of land owned by Sanford (who has been the lead sponsor of the basketball tournaments that have been such an economic boom for SF, and that have really revived the most important sport in that League). So It's not a big surprise, ... it seems right geographically, with the league headed toward the old NCC footprint.
What did you make of this move, particularly the fact that Tom Douple told us that there are Augie boosters in his ear about getting accepted into the league someday, and that there have been high-ranking Sanford employees (who are also Augie boosters) who might be the same people that convinced him to bring the SL headquarters to SF on Sanford land? He (Douple) says those two facts have nothing to do with each other, but how do you react to all of that?Zimmer: When you hear that, you go "Oh, what does THAT mean", but when you think about it, are they going to go D-1 because the Conference HQ offices are in their town? Is Denver gonna leave because the offices are in SF and not Chicago? I think ... it doesn't really mean a whole lot. It's more of a symbolism thing. People are gonna say "look, it just goes to show how much the SL and SF are entrenched with each other." John: And Sanford.Zimmer: And Sanford. And it's true. From the SDSU standpoint, everything I get from Justin Sell on down to his coaches is that they love the Summit League. They don't want to go anywhere. They want to make it better. They want to turn the Summit League into something close to what the MVC was for a long time.... Having said that, there are still a segment of Jacks fans that will still occasionally send me an email or tweet saying "Oh, the SL is small-time! We need to join the MVC.." or whatever. I think maybe this is a sign to those people that that's never gonna happen.... You gotta remember that those people at Sanford here in SF have been a major reason that SDSU's move to D-1 has been as successful as it has been. Same thing with USD. They play in the Sanford-Coyote Sports Center now. Dana Dykhouse's name is on the (SDSU) football stadium. He's a SF guy. I know sometimes people in Brookings and Vermillion tend to be a little bit... "anti-SF" isn't the right word... But I think sometimes they forget just how important SF is to the SL. And the SLT is in SF. If something were to happen to the SL, like the Jacks leaving, or anybody else, that would be bad for Sioux Falls. That would be bad for Sanford. That would be bad for First Premier. That's why, I think, those people are doing everything they can to solidify the Summit League here in SF, and along with that core of schools that used to make up the NCC.
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Post by kiyoat on May 30, 2018 14:15:37 GMT -6
John Gaskins: Right.... my thing is, would anyone look at this as making it appear that ..... if they (Augie) make it in the league someday, would anyone ... imagine (and this is just a conspiracy theory) that there might be an "exchange" going on here. Like "we'd love to let you on our land, ...if you let Augie in the Summit League".
Zimmer: It's not like Tom Douple can wave a magic wand and put Augustana in the SL. The rest of the schools have to vote them in. And I think they would. It's like when USF and Minot State were petitioning to move up from NAIA to D-II. There was a lot of hemming and hawing about "Would Augie want them in?" and "would people vote them in?" .... When it comes down to voting for them, usually they end up doing it if it's best for the league.
Augustana joining the Summit League would be good for the Summit League. I don't know that it's a great thing for a school like Ft. Wayne, WIU, or Denver, but it's not a BAD thing for them. It doesn't make anything WORSE for them. So I don't think that it would be difficult for Douple, or the Sanford people, to convince Augie to come into the league. They're just a really healthy program that fits the geographical footprint.
Now, the PROFILE of the institution is a little different. Obviously being a small private school, they'd be the smallest school in the Summit League. But I think that whenever they decide they want to go, I think they're gonna get in. I don't think that has a whole lot to do with where the HQ is.
John: I would agree.
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Post by kiyoat on May 30, 2018 14:54:09 GMT -6
Craig Mattick: If I'm Tom Douple, I'm putting a big target on Mankato as well. And maybe St. Cloud. I think they should be going after those two schools.
John Gaskins: Well, Matt is a St. Cloud alumnus.... [commercial break]
...Now that Tom Douple will be living and working in Sioux Falls, you have Mankato and St. Cloud just right up the road. They have enrollments about the same size as, in fact just a little bigger than the four public Dakota schools in the Summit. They're in the footprint, .... Old NCC rivals... What's your sense from in Minnesota about the possibility and the attraction of the Summit League being in the NCC footprint-centric? Do you think either of them are having any interest right now?
Zimmer: I really doubt that St. Cloud St is anywhere close to doing something like that. They've had almost constant, never-ending budget issues. Do they have the facilities? They're not fully funded in a lot of sports. A lot of schools in the NSIC are.
Mankato, I've been hearing for 5 or 6 years... "Oh, yeah. They're going." from people that are pretty tuned-in. From coaches, administrators, SID-types that work within the league. (there are 16 teams in the league, so there are a lot of people that are in that group) And you hear it all the time. It makes sense. Mankato DOES have really good facilities in a lot of the sports. I don't know exactly what their budget situation is, but I think they are pretty close to fully-funded in most sports.
But I don't know. Going Division-1 costs more money. That's a fact. And it's something that people overlook all the time. It's not this deal where "We're going Division 1, and now there's more fans and we're gonna make more money". That's not how it works. You have to spend a lot more money. And are Mankato and St. Cloud in a position where they can add all these expenses? Frankly, Augustana isn't in a situation where they can do that. The only reason that we all kinda assume that they're gonna go, is that they've got (from what we hear) very willing donors in Sioux Falls that are willing to help them get to where they need to be, financially, so they can make that jump.
I know that Sanford is somewhat involved with all the NSIC schools. I think there's a presence in Mankato, I'm not sure about St. Cloud. Are they going to pump a ton of money into those schools so that they can join the Summit League? No. They're not. Both schools would almost certainly drop football to go D-1. St. Cloud's been trying to kill it's football team for a few years. Mankato has very conspicuously NOT upgraded what is .... not a very nice football stadium. For a program that always wins. That's very telling that they have refused to do anything there. Because "If we go Division-1 we will have to drop football" but I don't get the feeling that is going to happen any time soon.
Those schools are certainly attractive to the Summit League. They make a lot of sense....A very similar profile to SDSU, NDSU..... but I just don't know that they're in a position to incur the cost that it would take.
John: That's a dose of cold water on a hot topic. But I'm glad we got that. It's a fun idea conceptually, but probably even further away than Augustana.....
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Post by Yotes on May 30, 2018 16:30:06 GMT -6
kwsn.com/podcasts/sports-talk-with-kwsn/5093/matt-zimmer-on-augie-baseball-future-of-summit-augie-national-anthem-controversy/KWSN had Zimmer on yesterday. Among the topics discussed was SL offices moving, Augie and Summit expansion. (Starting at 10:30) John: ...The S.L headquarters are moving to SF on a plat of land owned by Sanford (who has been the lead sponsor of the basketball tournaments that have been such an economic boom for SF, and that have really revived the most important sport in that League). So It's not a big surprise, ... it seems right geographically, with the league headed toward the old NCC footprint.
What did you make of this move, particularly the fact that Tom Douple told us that there are Augie boosters in his ear about getting accepted into the league someday, and that there have been high-ranking Sanford employees (who are also Augie boosters) who might be the same people that convinced him to bring the SL headquarters to SF on Sanford land? He (Douple) says those two facts have nothing to do with each other, but how do you react to all of that?Zimmer: When you hear that, you go "Oh, what does THAT mean", but when you think about it, are they going to go D-1 because the Conference HQ offices are in their town? Is Denver gonna leave because the offices are in SF and not Chicago? I think ... it doesn't really mean a whole lot. It's more of a symbolism thing. People are gonna say "look, it just goes to show how much the SL and SF are entrenched with each other." John: And Sanford.Zimmer: And Sanford. And it's true. From the SDSU standpoint, everything I get from Justin Sell on down to his coaches is that they love the Summit League. They don't want to go anywhere. They want to make it better. They want to turn the Summit League into something close to what the MVC was for a long time.... Having said that, there are still a segment of Jacks fans that will still occasionally send me an email or tweet saying "Oh, the SL is small-time! We need to join the MVC.." or whatever. I think maybe this is a sign to those people that that's never gonna happen.... You gotta remember that those people at Sanford here in SF have been a major reason that SDSU's move to D-1 has been as successful as it has been. Same thing with USD. They play in the Sanford-Coyote Sports Center now. Dana Dykhouse's name is on the (SDSU) football stadium. He's a SF guy. I know sometimes people in Brookings and Vermillion tend to be a little bit... "anti-SF" isn't the right word... But I think sometimes they forget just how important SF is to the SL. And the SLT is in SF. If something were to happen to the SL, like the Jacks leaving, or anybody else, that would be bad for Sioux Falls. That would be bad for Sanford. That would be bad for First Premier. That's why, I think, those people are doing everything they can to solidify the Summit League here in SF, and along with that core of schools that used to make up the NCC. The importance of Sioux Falls to the Summit League really solidifies it as a small-time conference that no one with any good options would consider. Augustana, Mankato, and St Cloud are the expansion schools brought up. I don't think anymore needs to be said about the caliber of schools we can draw to this league.
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Post by Yote 53 on May 30, 2018 19:18:22 GMT -6
Bringing up the old NCC schools is just a couple of local guys talking, nothing more. They assume Augustana would be an auto add to the Summit but I'm not so sure. I haven't come across any chatter from any Summit schools wanting them.
I think it would be a big mistake for Augie to go D1, they just don't have the resources. SF media pushes that agenda because they want a D1 school in SF. There is so more institutionally to making that move. It would be a mistake to do so if that is the driving force behind it.
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Post by yotebewithyou on May 30, 2018 19:37:45 GMT -6
Bringing up the old NCC schools is just a couple of local guys talking, nothing more. They assume Augustana would be an auto add to the Summit but I'm not so sure. I haven't come across any chatter from any Summit schools wanting them. I think it would be a big mistake for Augie to go D1, they just don't have the resources. SF media pushes that agenda because they want a D1 school in SF. There is so more institutionally to making that move. It would be a mistake to do so if that is the driving force behind it. There isn't any chatter because nobody outside of the Dakotas knows what the hell Augie is
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Post by Yote 53 on May 30, 2018 21:27:35 GMT -6
And the Dakota schools that do want nothing to do with it. NDSU folks are already saying if Augie comes in it's FBS or bust.
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Post by Linus on May 31, 2018 4:38:08 GMT -6
And the Dakota schools that do want nothing to do with it. NDSU folks are already saying if Augie comes in it's FBS or bust. Can you post a link where the NDSU administration says they are going FBS for football if Augustana joins the Summit League? I’d be interested in seeing that...
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