USD @ ISU

[kiyoat]

I'm not a fan of politically contentious discussion on here, but since it was brought up by the site admin... Yeah, I agree with Captain on this one. I won't tell anyone else what their comfort level should be. But for me, I am in contact with way too many folks in the high-risk groups for me to play fast and loose with a virus we still don't know near enough about.

Still no vaccine. Still killing people.  My family isn't in lockdown mode anymore, but we still are being cautious about things. We support our local restaurants with carry out and delivery, wear a mask in businesses, cut our summer travel to 500 miles away or less (wife works in medical field, they mandated), etc.

My opinion will likely evolve with every passing week, as we know more.

[Yote 53]

I brought it up because the topic is unavoidable and is relevant to this coming football season. I did not make a comment about the protests other than to say they are happening and tens to hundreds of thousands of people have been in contact with each other over the last week. Making restrictions on anything at this point is fruitless and is only damaging to those institutions you restrict. It's too late at this point as the virus is everywhere, there's no putting that genie back in the bottle. I agree with Coyote Fan on something, if you are concerned then it is your responsibility to take care of yourself. People are going to need to make their own decisions going forward.

[kiyoat]

Interesting about the percent of asymptomatic people. There isn't enough data to really know for sure (until we get a reliable antibody test), but I have seen studies that suggest anywhere from 20% to 60% of cases may be asymptomatic. Even if we go with Coyote Fan's larger 80% number, that's still not a large percent of Americans that have been exposed.

Here in SD there are 5,034 reported cases as of today. with an estimated population of around 885,000 that means 0.565% of our state's population has had a reported case. Half of 1%. If we use the 20% to 80% asymptomatic numbers, that gives us a range of 6,293 to 25,170 actual cases, or 0.71% to 2.84% of our population that has contracted the virus.

So what does all this mean?  I don't know, but it is interesting. 

-It could mean that voluntary social distancing measures have been successful in SD in slowing the spread. 

-It could mean that as a rural and isolated state, we already have some built-in protections that slow the spread of any infectious pathogen. 

-It could mean that we have a less-virulent or slower-spreading strain of the virus here (probably not likely). 

-It could mean that a higher percentage of non-symptomatic people exist, like 95% or something. (that would still only result in 11% exposure in SD)

Draw your own conclusions, but at least base them on some known quantities and facts.  When you hear numbers like 80%, it sounds like everyone in the state has had some kind of exposure to it.  The reality is that this thing is just getting started.  Luckily, the rate of spread has been relatively slow, at least here in SD.  Far below predictions.  Hopefully that fact has bought researchers some time to find a vaccine.

[Coyote Fan]

just as another followup i knew someone that had the classic sypmtoms of corona in late january. they went to the doctor but at that time they did not know what was wrong. it was likely corona but since little was known and no test was available than how does that go as a detected case. it could not be determied to be corona and would not have been counted. i dont know for a fact but i believe that many people may have been exposed much earlier than this virus was a known thing. there is certainly nothing wrong with being cautious but also nothing wrong with getting back to normal. i think it is important for people to be open minded with this. let everyone handle this as they may. no one person is certainly a know it all with this pandemic.

[sportschic]

I agree with Yote 53 and Coyote fan. I do not believe our citizens ordinary freedoms should be impacted. We should be given the freedoms to do what is suggested by health officials to keep ourselves from getting infected with this virus.
Yes we need to be cautious, there truly is a pandemic, but we need to resume back to life with our liberties as US citizens.
I still do not understand the 6 foot distancing when it is a fact that aerosols droplets can travel 20 feet. Also, wearing a mask alone does not protect your eyes. I think the masks and social distancing is just make others feel better that are panicked about this virus.
I hear over and over, at retail stores, restaurants etc. The staff is only wearing the masks so patrons feel safer to regain and retain them as customers.
We need to practice the suggested hygiene, truly we should of been practicing this always anyway.
I find it very odd that a second wave is being predicted to happen barring health experts and researchers limited knowledge of this virus. Something to think about😊

[coffeedrinker]

I've heard our team comes back for voluntary workouts the 15th. Alabama has already started. This article says five of them have already tested positive. The 3rd school with players testing positive. Oklahoma State is one of the other two.

www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/alabama-football-at-least-five-players-have-reportedly-tested-positive-for-the-coronavirus/

[easmus]

Jun 4, 2020 11:27:42 GMT -6 Coyote Fan said:

just as another followup i knew someone that had the classic sypmtoms of corona in late january. they went to the doctor but at that time they did not know what was wrong. it was likely corona but since little was known and no test was available than how does that go as a detected case. it could not be determied to be corona and would not have been counted. i dont know for a fact but i believe that many people may have been exposed much earlier than this virus was a known thing. there is certainly nothing wrong with being cautious but also nothing wrong with getting back to normal. i think it is important for people to be open minded with this. let everyone handle this as they may. no one person is certainly a know it all with this pandemic.

There are a lot of people who had the B strain of influenza this year that were sick for 5-7 days. My wife got it after day 1 of the SLT. We wondered if it was actually C-19 since she was never tested for influenza, so she had antibody testing done for C-19 which came back negative. So don’t be fooled thinking “I probably already had it” if you were sick this winter.

[kiyoat]

Jun 5, 2020 5:23:42 GMT -6 sportschic said:

"I still do not understand the 6 foot distancing when it is a fact that aerosols droplets can travel 20 feet."

This is a good point.  The 6-foot rule is an older protocol based on older studies.  The idea is that the larger droplets can only fall about that far, and your chance of transmission is greatly increased by being exposed to them.  You are right that researchers are now rethinking that, and the tiny aerosols not only go farther, but they stay in the air for a while. 

Really we should be focusing on ventilation and fresh air exchange in buildings more.  There is a reason transmission rates are so high on cruise ships.  When you are outside, the wind pretty much does a good job of clearing everything.  Come to think of it, Jack Trice Stadium is famously windy.  So that's good.

"Also, wearing a mask alone does not protect your eyes. "

That's true, and it's why they wear masks with face shields in hospitals.  But you are forgetting that a mask isn't just to protect you.  It's mainly to protect other people around you from your own respiratory aerosols.  Or at least to minimize them.  To me, it's the same reason as why we cover our faces when we cough and sneeze.  Or wash our hands.  It's a common courtesy.  Just my opinion.

"We need to practice the suggested hygiene, truly we should of been practicing this always anyway."

I agree.  

[captaincoyote]

Jun 5, 2020 5:23:42 GMT -6 sportschic said:

I find it very odd that a second wave is being predicted to happen barring health experts and researchers limited knowledge of this virus. Something to think about😊

COVID-19 is still new, but enough is known about the coronavirus family of diseases for experts who have spent their adult lives studying diseases to make reasonable assumptions.

[wrj]

Interesting commentary! I work in healthcare in an area where we have a number of immunocompromised patients, so I practice on the side of caution. I have this one question. If ISU (since they are in the title of this thread and we want to stay on topic), the NCAA, USD, the board of regents, the Missouri Valley Football Conference, or any other entity with the authority mandates that you wear a mask at all times while attending coyote football games, will you attend, and will you comply? Maybe that was two questions.

[gopheryote]

This conversation reminds me of an economic theory book I read called "More Sex Is Safer Sex". (NOTE - the book was not near as interesting as the title would lead you to believe.) Here is a summary from Barnes & Noble:

"In More Sex Is Safer Sex, Landsburg shows how the rational behavior of each one of us—when combined together—produces the often bizarre, seemingly irrational behavior of crowds. We all stand up at the ballpark, so none of us can see. We avoid casual sex, from fear of disease, and we thereby make sex more dangerous. Things really get interesting when Landsburg suggests ways to change the rules, and game the system. Why not charge juries if a convicted felon is exonerated? Why not have each member of Congress represent a national subset of voters, chosen alphabetically? Why not solve the “overpopulation” problem by having more children, who will help think of ways to improve our use of resources?"

Applying to C-19, if everyone is required to go out, anyone's risk of being exposed through daily interactions go toward 0%. Thus, it would make going to games (as an example) safer. However, if you let people choose, healthier/better educated people may (understandably) stay home. The results get bad quickly if that happens - a higher % of sick people in a smaller pool can infect the whole pool. So, it becomes wildly counter-intuitive pretty quickly (such as restricting freedoms the opposite direction of a quarantine).

TBH, I wondered if the FB games would be move to Howard Wood so they were outside. If there was a game this weekend, I would likely go to Howard Wood, but not the DakotaDome.

[Yotes]

Jun 6, 2020 11:15:48 GMT -6 wrj said:

Interesting commentary! I work in healthcare in an area where we have a number of immunocompromised patients, so I practice on the side of caution. I have this one question. If ISU (since they are in the title of this thread and we want to stay on topic), the NCAA, USD, the board of regents, the Missouri Valley Football Conference, or any other entity with the authority mandates that you wear a mask at all times while attending coyote football games, will you attend, and will you comply? Maybe that was two questions.

There is little I wouldn't do in order to watch sports again.

[yoteforever]

Jun 6, 2020 16:29:02 GMT -6 Yotes said:

Jun 6, 2020 11:15:48 GMT -6 wrj said:

Interesting commentary! I work in healthcare in an area where we have a number of immunocompromised patients, so I practice on the side of caution. I have this one question. If ISU (since they are in the title of this thread and we want to stay on topic), the NCAA, USD, the board of regents, the Missouri Valley Football Conference, or any other entity with the authority mandates that you wear a mask at all times while attending coyote football games, will you attend, and will you comply? Maybe that was two questions.

There is little I wouldn't do in order to watch sports again.

Amen

[easmus]

Jun 6, 2020 11:15:48 GMT -6 wrj said:

Interesting commentary! I work in healthcare in an area where we have a number of immunocompromised patients, so I practice on the side of caution. I have this one question. If ISU (since they are in the title of this thread and we want to stay on topic), the NCAA, USD, the board of regents, the Missouri Valley Football Conference, or any other entity with the authority mandates that you wear a mask at all times while attending coyote football games, will you attend, and will you comply? Maybe that was two questions.

Wearing a mask and being at a game is better than not wearing a mask and being home or watching on tv. I wonder if some people will choose to tailgate but watch on the big screen outside?

[elcoyote]

Jun 6, 2020 11:15:48 GMT -6 wrj said:

Interesting commentary! I work in healthcare in an area where we have a number of immunocompromised patients, so I practice on the side of caution. I have this one question. If ISU (since they are in the title of this thread and we want to stay on topic), the NCAA, USD, the board of regents, the Missouri Valley Football Conference, or any other entity with the authority mandates that you wear a mask at all times while attending coyote football games, will you attend, and will you comply? Maybe that was two questions.

I would definitely attend and if it was mandated to wear a mask I would do that too. Probably wouldn't have a choice anyway under those circumstances.