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Post by kiyoat on Jan 28, 2022 14:09:16 GMT -6
Maybe. I'd maybe lean more towards n 8-9 seed. Moving up in the rankings (any rankings) isn't as easy when you get to a certain point. You have to keep doing impressive things just to keep treading water. Our NET ranking just dropped 2 spots to #37 after trouncing the Leathernecks by 17 points, even as our "net efficiency" ranking moved up again from #36 to #33. Maybe you were right about needing to take advantage when you can to pour on the points. Doesn't seem right, but... UST might be that opportunity. The Jacks beat the #322 Tommies by 41 points. They moved up in the NET from #49 to #46. They dropped in the RPI from #56 to #60. None of this will matter if we suffer a random upset loss, of course. We have to remember that it's not just your latest game that effects the change in NET rank, but also how your opponents have done in their last game to effect your SOS part of the formula. Absolutely. The RPI, net and NET rankings are constantly moving around, even when we aren't playing games, because other teams are part of the formula. The RPI is probably the more volatile ranking, due to strong reliance on SOS. The NET moves, too. But not as much. Plus, even teams that we haven't played will affect the rankings. Our NET score could remain the same, but we move up in the NET rankings due to teams above us losing. As long as we keep winning, things should more or less go our way. I was surprised at the #9 seed this week from Charlie. Maybe we DO have a shot at an 8 or 7 seed? I have no idea. |
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Post by yote18 on Jan 29, 2022 11:11:58 GMT -6
Maybe someone with more insight on this can answer it, but how much does Creighton going on a tear through the Big East affect our standings? Or does the summit negate any positive effects from it?
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 31, 2022 9:43:04 GMT -6
Maybe someone with more insight on this can answer it, but how much does Creighton going on a tear through the Big East affect our standings? Or does the summit negate any positive effects from it? I mean, all of those things affect the NET rank. But the thing that's particularly important about Creighton is that right now they are our only Quadrant-1 win. So, yes. We want them to keep winning. Also, Northwestern is currently our worst loss. They are a Quad-2 loss, but if they keep sinking in their NET rating it could turn into a Quad-3 loss. That would be a black mark on the team sheet. As a neutral site game, Northwestern would have to sink to an NET ranking of below 100. They are #73 right now. Probably not a huge concern. Losing to a Summit team not named SDSU would be far worse. Next week's game vs SDSU would be a Quad-1 game as well. The Jacks are #41, and would have to sink to below #75 for it not to be a Q-1 game. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 18:46:46 GMT -6
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 2, 2022 4:27:14 GMT -6
I wonder if the tie breaker that matter will be the RPI or the NET rating or something else if the Jacks win the rematch and both teams end up with 1 loss in the Summit. The Coyotes have a slim lead in both as of current.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 2, 2022 6:39:42 GMT -6
I wonder if the tie breaker that matter will be the RPI or the NET rating or something else if the Jacks win the rematch and both teams end up with 1 loss in the Summit. The Coyotes have a slim lead in both as of current. It used to be the RPI. I don’t know if it was updated in Summit rules to the NET or not. I doubt it would be anything else. You can read the tiebreaker rules for basketball on this fan board under the Summit League forum. That being said, our lead in the NET isn’t huge. The Jacks have gradually crept up in ranking, and are now #41 to our #37. I’m actually kinda surprised they aren’t getting much love in the mid majors poll and bracketology. We should both be considered for at-large spots IMHO |
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Post by ndfan on Feb 2, 2022 16:33:05 GMT -6
Kiyoat i came across your post and i read tie breaking rules for the Summit and my first reading it seems that RPI would be logical way to break the tie but then i read it again and i began to wonder if there could be further details not published on the tie breaking. My question is in first tie breaking rule the head to head games between the teams to be used to determine the winner or leader. Does that mean it could come down to point differential between two teams in their head to head meetings. My second question was if it comes down to RPI what happens if you two are tied in RPI rankings which it could easily could happen if your tied in record. I looked your only 5 spots ahead and if you would loose to SDSU i would think they would gain couple of spots and you loose couple of spots so it could be possible you could end up tied. With our mirrored schedule with traveling partners it will be hard to break away from each other now until tournament. Good luck to you guys and best way to settle it would be to win. PS i have been looking at bracketology and i just think way this year looks we will be only getting one spot in NCAA tournament and other will be sent to WNIT i may be wrong on this but that is what i think is going to happen.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 2, 2022 17:43:52 GMT -6
Kiyoat i came across your post and i read tie breaking rules for the Summit and my first reading it seems that RPI would be logical way to break the tie but then i read it again and i began to wonder if there could be further details not published on the tie breaking. My question is in first tie breaking rule the head to head games between the teams to be used to determine the winner or leader. Does that mean it could come down to point differential between two teams in their head to head meetings. My second question was if it comes down to RPI what happens if you two are tied in RPI rankings which it could easily could happen if your tied in record. I looked your only 5 spots ahead and if you would loose to SDSU i would think they would gain couple of spots and you loose couple of spots so it could be possible you could end up tied. With our mirrored schedule with traveling partners it will be hard to break away from each other now until tournament. Good luck to you guys and best way to settle it would be to win. PS i have been looking at bracketology and i just think way this year looks we will be only getting one spot in NCAA tournament and other will be sent to WNIT i may be wrong on this but that is what i think is going to happen. With the Head-to-head they don't look at points. Just wins. So in the scenario that USD/SDSU split their series and don't lose to anyone else, ... it would have to be RPI or NET to break the tie. I hope the Summit has updated their rules to use the NET, but either way.... I don't really see any possible way that two teams could tie in the RPI or NET. I never see any ties in the published rankings. Also, the only reason a tiebreaker is relevant is to determine seeding in the SLT. Both teams would be considered co-champions of the regular season. Yes, it could be simply a one-bid league this year. I hope not, but in the scenario that USD does NOT win the SLT, then they would suffer a loss in the tournament. THat would potentially hurt our NET ranking to the point of no at-large. I hope that's not the case. Either way, I think both SD teams are playing at an NCAA tourney level right now. I wouldn't want to encounter either one in the post-season if I were another team, regardless of seed. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 3, 2022 3:04:03 GMT -6
At least some of the reason they are both playing at tourney level is because these are Summit League teams they are playing. Neither team was impressive in the non conference this season. The Coyotes were a little better than the Jacks but I don't think the Jacks have an at large tourney resume this year. They have simply lost too many games. The Coyotes would be a bit lucky this year to get an at large. I think getting a win in Brookings would certainly be helpful. It would be hard for the tourney committee to leave an undefeated conference team out of the bracket that has a pretty good NET ranking. The Coyotes are going to have to play better than they have been playing to beat the Jacks so they are gonna need to bring the A game.
My feeling is if the Coyotes run the Summit table in the regular season they are will get an at large. If they don't I am guessing they will not.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 6, 2022 11:41:44 GMT -6
So how does the loss in Frost hurt us in rankings? Not very much. It was more like a missed opportunity.
RPI stayed at #52
net efficiency dropped from #25 to #32
NET ranking dropped from #36 to #38 (SDSU jumped to #34)
We add a Q-1 loss
They add a Q-2 win
I'm guessing the Bracketology will have SDSU, but if they are just going by standings we are tied with them. It will be interesting what hypothetical seed they get, based on team sheet. Both of us have very similar resumes. Maybe we see an at-large?....
come on, Charlie....
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 8, 2022 13:37:41 GMT -6
Well, the new bracketology still has us as a #9 seed. I guess with the tie at the top of the standings they must just make a call. Interesting that we didn't take a hit in seed. I like it, but don't know how accurate it is.
Or they just didn't bother to do the research.
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Post by yote18 on Feb 8, 2022 15:08:55 GMT -6
I’d say they just don’t bother to do research. But if I had to guess if someone’s tied they just go off of the overall record especially when it comes to mid majors.
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Post by GoYotes on Feb 11, 2022 10:32:08 GMT -6
The Yotes have moved ahead of the Bunnies in the NET rankings. The Yotes are at 37 and the Bunnies at 38.
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Post by yoteforever on Feb 11, 2022 10:39:51 GMT -6
Perfect
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 11, 2022 10:41:34 GMT -6
The Yotes have moved ahead of the Bunnies in the NET rankings. The Yotes are at 37 and the Bunnies at 38. That's really interesting. Conventional wisdom would say that, since our conference schedules are identical due to being travel partners, the only variable is the net efficiency (win margin). But, of course, there are way more variables with all the other teams that affects our strength of schedule. Plus, Denver is really really low in ranking. |
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