jackjd
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Post by jackjd on May 4, 2011 20:18:30 GMT -6
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on May 5, 2011 1:04:08 GMT -6
so for everyone arguing for the Big Sky, and I thought it was a strong league...I think we were deceived in the "someone wants us and the MVFC doesn't." The Big Sky is kind of smoke and mirrors I guess. yes, they won the football championship, but it doesn't really seem like they are strong in the other categories i guess. I am happy USD is in the MVFC and the Summit.
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fssd
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Post by fssd on May 5, 2011 6:14:42 GMT -6
It looks like the Summit has a couple of very nice players. I don't know what RPI site they used. I typically use RealTime RPI - (easy site to work with realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html) and just ran the numbers for the conferences to see how much of a difference they talking about. It looks like the Big Sky actually has a higher average RPI than the Summit over the last 5 years. Here are the numbers. Big Sky - 0.465, 0.4776, 0.4626, 0.4575, 0.4553 AVG - 0.4636 Summit - 0.4687, 0.4657, 0.458, 0.4683, 0.4223 AVG - 0.4566 In general, I would say the conferences are very similiar. I do wonder what numbers they did use it would be interesting to see But, it looks like the Summit has a couple of nice players coming back next year. I have watched the ORU kid and he is a nice player. I have not seen the other kid play. |
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Post by Volin guy on May 5, 2011 6:31:33 GMT -6
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Post by yoteforever on May 5, 2011 6:46:25 GMT -6
JackJD, I agree with you in that USD fans will enjoy the Summit. The best part in my opinion will be SDSU and NDSU for a couple of reasons. The first, the aforementioned schools are "state universities" and for me, that is always more fun than playing colleges and universities without state affiliation. That's why at the time I was for the Big Sky, because you played Montana Montana State, Northern Colorado, Eastern Washington, Northern Arizona, Idaho State....... all recogizable names. For USD fans it will become an education process to know and understand where Oakland is, and who they are. Or for many to understand the "Sutten connection" at ORU. Once we are educated I think it will be a blast. But we for sure know and understand who the Bison and Jacks are, so I think we'll get wrapped up in it early. More than anything, our sports information department will need to be at their best getting all this out so we can fire up and understand whom we are playing. |
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Post by Yote 53 on May 5, 2011 7:50:16 GMT -6
I agree with Yoteforever. The attraction to the Big Sky for me was two-fold. First, the conference has state schools like Montana, Montana, St, and state directionals like UNC, EWU, and NAU, not to mention Cal Poly and UC-D. Second, I just see the Big Sky as having more long term stability. The schools in that conference aren't going anywhere (none of them are going FBS or WAC, to much $$ and the WAC is unstable) while it seems every school in the Summit wants to be somewhere else whether its the Valley or the Horizon.
Call me prejudice but I have a hard time with the alphabet soup schools that are IUPUI, IPFW, UMKC, even UNO. The Summit is a collection of state schools (the 3 Dakotas, Western Ill) and city schools.
I think the strength of the Summit vs the Sky is cyclical, besides, once you get past the BCS schools the talking heads at Rivals and ESPN don't know what they are talking about. Who cares how they labeld these conferences, they are each still one bid conferences and until that changes it doesn't matter how they are labeled.
Now, as far as being in the MVFC, very, very happy. Equal to or better than the BSC depending on the year. One of the best conferences in FCS. Better than the BSC in the proximity of the conference schools, SDSU, NDSU, UNI, SIU, WIU, MSU, all within a days drive.
The football side of me is happy with our choice, though I would have liked to duke it out with Montana every year in football. The final verdict on the Summit choice will be its durability. If there continues to be constant turnover then USD made the wrong choice.
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usdlaw
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Post by usdlaw on May 5, 2011 9:44:53 GMT -6
Comparisons are fun, and give us fans something to talk about, but at the end of the day both the Summit and Big Sky are likely both one bid mid-majors. As the average stated above would indicate, this ebbs and flows from year to year which is better.
Thanks JackJD for sharing the info. And I agree, SD fans will like the Summit.
We can dive into the "should we have done the Big Sky or Summit/MVFC?" all over again, but I don't think this one comparison has a real affect on that decision. In the end, IMO, the Summit will be just fine. Eventually, IMO, with UNO joining soon, schools like UND and St Cloud will follow suit. I don't see UND in the Big Sky forever. I still think eventually they join the fellow NCC schools. I also think a couple schools like St Cloud and/or Minn Duluth will move up. With schools like UND, SDS, NDSU, SD, UNO and St Cloud all eventually being in the same conference (I really do see this happening within 5-10 years) there would be at least six strong core schools in our region, add West Ill for seven, to sustain a conference long term. When that happens the Summit won't be as dependent on the, as Yote 53 calls them, the alphabet schools, or ORU which someday will probably leave because of travel.
I do agree with those that said SD fans need to be educated on the Summit schools, and create those good rivals besides just SDS and NDSU.
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usdlaw
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Post by usdlaw on May 5, 2011 9:47:20 GMT -6
PS JackJD it's not too late to join your son and become a Howling Pack member. HEHE  |
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Post by Viborg Guy on May 5, 2011 10:37:19 GMT -6
Huh? How is UNC different from WIU?
The Summit has 9 "State" schools and one private.
University of Missouri - Kansas City
Western Illinois University
SDSU
NDSU
Indiana Purdue - Fort Wayne
Indiana University Purdue University - Indianapolis
Oakland is a "State" school it used to be called Michigan State University - Oakland
and the two new members
University of Nebraska- Omaha
USD
Only Oral Roberts is private
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Post by Yote 53 on May 5, 2011 12:19:20 GMT -6
I called WIU a state directional school. UNC is also a state directional school. I never said WIU was different than UNC. I also never referenced ORU or made the distinction between public and private. The distinction I was making was between metro (city) schools and state or directional state schools.
Kansas City, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Oakland, and Omaha are all what most people consider metro universities. Actually, UNO, being a metro university, stated that one of the reasons for dropping football and moving to D1 and the Summit league is so they could compete with and have similar sports offerings as other similar metro schools.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on May 5, 2011 12:31:50 GMT -6
Yote 53, i do have to say if people don't know who Oakland or Oral Roberts are by now, well then they aren't paying attention and they don't care. They would have a LOT better time knowing who they are than Northern Arizona, Eastern Washington or maybe even Cal Poly.
Oakland and Oral Roberts have been staples in the NCAA tournament and I hear a lot more about them then those three schools I just mentioned. EWU got a short thing on ESPN one night, and that's about it. Not even their red field made it on ESPN.
No matter the conference, it's the fans' job to become educated, honestly. It didn't seem fans were getting that excited for St. Cloud State at the end of the NCC, but now they want them in the Summit. Interesting.
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usdlaw
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Post by usdlaw on May 5, 2011 13:16:52 GMT -6
If you are referring to me with the "want" St Cloud in the Summit comment, I don't care if they join or not. I was just stating I think either them or Duluth or both could move up. St Cloud already talked about it a year ago or so didn't they, or am I dreaming something. I thought they talked about dropping football, but then decided not to. Who's to say they wouldn't consider it again after what UNO did? My point was more about the stability of the Summit if those schools and UND join. If you weren't talking to me with your comment, then ignore the above.
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Post by Yote 53 on May 5, 2011 15:02:00 GMT -6
#1CF, I know you've been on campus. The average student there struggles with the identity of any school that is not BCS or is not prominent regionally. I know that you and I know who ORU, Oakland, and the like are, we are regulars here who probably know a little too much about FCS, conference movements, etc, but I still don't think students know who is who. It's the schools job to educate fans and get them excited about good, quality opponents coming to play the Coyotes. How is Joe Student supposed to know who the heck IUPUI is? For them Mankato St is more relevant because they probably have a friend who goes to school there.
FWIW I saw a lady wearing an NAU Lumberjack sweatshirt in Verm a couple days ago and a guy at Casey's decked out in an SDSU sweatshirt and hat this morning. I hate that.
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Post by GoYotes on May 5, 2011 15:09:12 GMT -6
Assuming the guy in the SDSU apparel was a recent SDSU grad looking for a job. I have heard the pizza delivery business is really down.
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Post by Yote 53 on May 5, 2011 15:35:52 GMT -6
He did work there as he was behind the register counting the take. He either owned the place (doubtful), managed it, or was robbing it blind. I'm guessing the middle one.
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