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Post by usdcoyote on Nov 12, 2021 20:49:10 GMT -6
South Carolina wins 72-41. I did not see the game but what I will ask is how does this change the perception of the team if it does. Are we in trouble in anyone's eyes or is this just a matter of SC just being too good. I believe the last game was closer to a single digit loss against SC. Am I the only only one that thinks the teams needs to get more athletic or are they fine. We're not in trouble in our conference, we could very well be in trouble for an at large. Against big athletic teams we really struggle to score. We are far from a great shooting team. I wouldn't expect that to change, it's not like we are a young team. We are a very veteran team. I will be interested in seeing how Oklahoma ends up doing in the big 12. I'm hoping they are a top 4 team or so. It wouldn't be a good sign if a bottom 4 big 12 team came to our place and beat us. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 12, 2021 21:02:46 GMT -6
How would you propose they “get more athletic?” I am not saying this is something that can easily be done or can be done at all but would give the Coyotes a better chance at that tourney win. The quickness and length are what needs to be better. The proof was against Oregon and in years past Clemson and Stanford. The Coyotes could not match up with them. The Coyotes are a very good team and play as hard or as smart as anyone. Against Oklahoma I did not think they looked well prepared in that game but that does not mean whatsoever that I thought that was going to happen often. I think Dawn is a tremendous coach and we are lucky to have her. This year's particular team should have come out of the gate fast but for whatever reason haven't and doesn't yet look like a team ready to win a NCAA game unless they get a very good seed and based on what we have seen so far that doesn't look likely. |
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Nov 12, 2021 21:23:52 GMT -6
I disagree on coming out of the gates fast. I thought you could easily be a very good team this year and start 0-3 with that schedule. I do think they’ll beat Drake but it’s not a given. Then you got A&M and Northwestern? A fast start wasn’t terribly realistic with that schedule. But it will make you better in March.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 12, 2021 23:18:05 GMT -6
So 0-2 with a 30 point loss to SC is coming out of the gates fast, uh ok.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 13, 2021 3:53:14 GMT -6
I watched part of the replay and I think all would agree that the Cox are an elite program probably a top 5 team. Obviously they are rated #1.
I have said athleticism is important but so is shooting and so far that has likely been the biggest issue so far. The Coyotes are able to exploit the inside against Summit teams which may cover a bit for the outside shooting weakness that shows up against better non conference teams. One way around this would be to have about 3 really good outside shooters. The Yotes just don't have that. It is too bad because with Hannah in the middle it draws those defenders in. The inside out game would be just crazy good if the Yotes we're hitting from outside. I am a believer in analytics and Golden State has proven how being a good outside shooting team can go along way. I think a three is just as likely to go in then a contested shot in the lane from 5 feet out. And it counts for one more point.
Olivia is an amazing player and kudos to her in showing she just seems to have an unlimited ceiling. The ESPN announcers we're very complimentary of the Coyote program which is nice.
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Post by notkiotees on Nov 13, 2021 7:07:44 GMT -6
I think a lot of fan bases will be clamoring for their teams to get bigger and more athletic after playing SC.
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Post by kiyoat on Nov 13, 2021 7:10:28 GMT -6
I think it’s a little premature to judge the entire season outlook for this team based on two games vs top 25 p-5 opponents. I’m not ready to suddenly characterize this team a “bad shooting team”.
Let’s take a breath and relax. Step away from the ledge. Sometimes players have individual bad shooting performances, or even slumps. Especially when we are playing teams that have elite talent and good defensive game plans to take away our strengths.
It will be interesting to compare the OU and USC offensive performances against their season averages. My guess is we did OK there.
Keep the faith, Yote fans.
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Post by fightsd on Nov 13, 2021 7:38:20 GMT -6
Good grief. We talk about wanting to play the best competition we can, and we quite literally brought the best team in the country to Sioux Falls. Then complain that we didn't look great against them. Nobody does.
You can't have your cake and eat it too in the non conference. Yeah we could beat up crappy local teams and feel pretty good about it, but you don't learn anything about your team from that. Right now I can confidently say we are a top mid major team but not on the same level as the elite teams in the country.
There's only so many 6'4" girls out there and until you can convince them that Vermillion is a better place for them than the big name P5 schools out there, we will have a hard time matching up with teams like SC.
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Post by golfingyote on Nov 13, 2021 7:40:41 GMT -6
So 0-2 with a 30 point loss to SC is coming out of the gates fast, uh ok. Tell me you don’t watch basketball without telling me you don’t watch basketball.... |
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Post by gopheryote on Nov 13, 2021 7:45:22 GMT -6
My 2 cents:
- This SC team reminds me of the most dominant UCONN teams of the past. Players at the end of the bench are HS all-americans. The guards are smart, fast, tenacious, and can shoot lights out. And the posts - OMG. They had Boston and Cardoso on the court at the same time for a while in the 2nd half. That shouldn't be legal. This SC team would beat last years SC team by 25.
- Is it time to panic after the 0-2 start? That depends. If your standard was an at-large bid, then maybe. If your standard was winning SL/SLT, then no.
- At-Large: I do think it is appropriate to be concerned about the offense. Liv has been fantastic, but she has had to create her own opportunities. There has been very little flow to the offense. Krull has struggled to finish at the rim, but also doesn't create kick-outs or drop passes. I think part of that is she is committed to shoot when she gets in the lane, but the other 4 are not moving or cutting to create a passing lane either. Yotes probably need to win 2 of the three games in the Bahamas (ideally one of those being ranked A&M) to be considered for an at-large, but the offense will need to change if those wins are going to happen.
- SL/SLT - There is zero comparison from the first two games and what even SDSU can be measured against in the SL. One thing to keep an eye on in the spirit of 'being more athletic': It looks possible that both SD schools are more athletic in the 1st/2nd year classes than the upper classes.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 13, 2021 7:46:24 GMT -6
Listen, no one liked the results last night but I want to address (2) things. First the shooting. To say we don’t have perimeter shooters to offset the middle pretense of Hannah is wrong. Liv and Chloe, game in and game out, are great 3 point shooters. Watson has her moments and freshman Larkin has that reputation, we just haven’t seen it yet. Those gals last night had in your face, quick defenders on them plus they were shooting over gals 6’7”, 6’5”, and 6’5”. Without question it changed their shot. We will not see another team with that height and speed combined.
Secondly, despite the fact they were embarrassed with the result and hated it with every ounce of their fiber, they never quit. Never. As a coach I walk away from this game knowing my team will never quit. Ever. Defensively we played well. In order to keep this game tight we would’ve had to play almost flawlessly. South Carolina is going to shred a lot of teams, and win most if not all this year.
Hannah will dominate most teams she plays against but she literally gave up so much size last night that it affected her game. These are great young ladies and damn good basketball players. I don’t know how the tougher than hell preseason will affect their physchy, but if they compete and win a few here and there before the conference, the Summit will look like a piece of cake compared to last night.
They hated losing by what they did. I hated it. Everybody hated it. But we survived, the sun came up in the east, and life goes on. I’m betting they have one helluva year. The character of these kids is off the charts. Oh yeah….plus we are well coached.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 13, 2021 11:54:47 GMT -6
No one is questioning the character of the kids but the fact of the matter is that they played that same basic SC team last year to a single digit game and this year it was 30. Take into that as you may. I think OU is a good team but in the polls the Yotes we're a few spots ahead of them and playing them at home. A loss at Drake and the at large chances all but fall off that proverbial cliff.
Than we hear how it is good for the Coyotes that the Jacks are really good. Maybe is effects the strength of schedule but by then it won't matter that much. A great Jacks team just makes it all that much harder for the Coyotes to get an auto bid. I would much rather have a great Denver or Western Illinois club that doesn't have as good of a chance to beat the Coyotes in Sioux falls.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 13, 2021 12:00:56 GMT -6
Ok the SC team is likely better but I don't think over 20 points better than last year. Something has to change with the offense. I think it is better ball movement. The Yotes are too focused on ISO ball but maybe that is intended.
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Post by yote18 on Nov 13, 2021 13:02:26 GMT -6
I think the criticism is fair. Just because we’re a mid major doesn’t mean we have to live in that mindset as fans. I didn’t have any expectations to win, they are the no. 1 team in the country and for good reason. But I’m always hearing people complain about lack of interest in WBB, some of it stems from the program not winning those power 5 games or being competitive in them. My post earlier was not being critical of the team as it currently stands, other than free throw shooting , but imo for us to take that next step and be a perennial threat come March we need more height.
As for the comment about who’d want to be recruited to vermillion. That’s the attitude right there that doesn’t help our cause. A recruit will go anywhere if they have a chance at winning meaningful games and playing for something greater than a win against SDSU come SLT time.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Nov 13, 2021 19:38:50 GMT -6
South Carolina was the best and deepest team USD has ever played. Their depth may be the best I have ever seen. I felt like their defense was suffocating to the end. Liv played out of her mind and without her it would have been even worse. The women should be battle tested for the rest of the noncon. Thanks to USC for coming to play, much respect to that program.
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