bigred
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Post by bigred on Feb 13, 2022 12:58:45 GMT -6
Don't see much future with what he recruits
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bigred
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Post by bigred on Feb 13, 2022 12:59:05 GMT -6
Don't see much future with what he recruits
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Post by usdcoyote on Feb 14, 2022 9:33:27 GMT -6
I agree with most everyone else that Lee does seem to get the most out of the talent that he has, but at what point do we start to blame him for the talent that we have? Yes Stan left, but that was never Lee's recruit to begin with. AJ got hurt, but let's face it, AJ would have been coming here no matter who the coach was, he just needed a scholarship. I just think there is a ceiling in Lee's recruiting. He doesn't have a lot of personality. It's going to be tough for him to win recruiting battles with Hendo. That's probably why we have had to go the foreign route so often. Not as many schools to compete with. In an ideal world I would like to bring in a head coach with a little more personality that is able to recruit better, and keep Lee on to develop the talent. So the good news is I think if we can get some talented recruits in we do have the coach that can get us to where we want to go. The bad news is, I'm not overly optimistic that he's going to be able to get those recruits we need. Not saying he can't, just saying I'm not optimistic that he will.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 14, 2022 10:10:05 GMT -6
29 votes in, looks like Lee has a "USDCoyoteSports Message Board Approval Rating" (UCSMBAR Rating) of:
58.6% favorable 24.1% unfavorable 17.2% undecided
That's better then what our last three presidents ever had, at least. I think Lee's favorability among fans this offseason might hinge on how he does in the SLT? First round loss would hurt, even if we are the 5 or 6-seed. A semifinal appearance would probably boost things a little, and give some good juju and momentum into the off-season. A finals appearance would boost his fan approval immensely. Maybe even help with recruiting.
A finals win goes without saying to be a program-lifter and career-lifter.
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Post by elcoyote on Feb 14, 2022 13:49:08 GMT -6
Seems that there is a lot of what amounts to as player bashing in this thread as to their perceived lack of talent. Players and recruits do read this board. It would sure fire up a player or recruit to know that fans of the team don't think that they're very good.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 14, 2022 17:10:16 GMT -6
... Lee does seem to get the most out of the talent that he has, ... I just think there is a ceiling in Lee's recruiting. He doesn't have a lot of personality. It's going to be tough for him to win recruiting battles with Hendo. That's probably why we have had to go the foreign route so often. Not as many schools to compete with. In an ideal world I would like to bring in a head coach with a little more personality that is able to recruit better, and keep Lee on to develop the talent. So the good news is I think if we can get some talented recruits in we do have the coach that can get us to where we want to go.... This is a good summary. It reminds me of how really hard it is to be a successful Division-1 coach. You have to be good at everything. It's really hard to find coaches that are good at everything. Sometimes you can make up for a deficiency in one or two areas with your assistants. I think that Casey (Coach K) is doing a bang-up job recruiting, and we are just starting to see the results of that. He was the primary reason Keaton came here, for example. Personally, I'd rather have the head coach be really good at coaching, rather than a media-savvy guy, or a good salesman. Let the assistant coaches bust ass on the recruiting trail. For me as a fan, I really enjoy his lack of coach-speak in interviews. He is a "what you see is what you get" kind of coach. Completely honest. To a fault. I'm sure the media have picked up on that, as well. I don't know how that plays with recruits or players, but I like it. Even though I'm a casual Nebraska football fan, I really admire Kirk Ferentz. He isn't flashy. milquetoast personality. boring interview. OK recruiter. probably not great in fund-raising events, etc. But that dude knows football. He knows player development. He knows building a program, getting the right assistants, etc. Is he held back by not getting the best talent in the conference? Yes. But does he still send dudes to the NFL? Yes. Do Iowa fans get frustrated with him? Yes. Does he have success when he occasionally gets some top-shelf talent? Yes. Does he run a clean program? Yes. I'd much rather have a Kirk Ferentz in Coyote basketball than a Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll is the coolest guy. Like a surfing grandpa. Very chill. Great recruiter. Players loved him. The media loved him. Fans loved him. He has a few national titles and Heisman-level players from USC. He also had one of the dirtiest programs of the era. When the NCAA came with a hammer, he took a ride on his golden parachute to Seattle. Coaches like that aren't going to stay long in a place like Vermillion, anyway. Nowhere to surf.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 15, 2022 1:30:34 GMT -6
I agree with most everyone else that Lee does seem to get the most out of the talent that he has, but at what point do we start to blame him for the talent that we have? Yes Stan left, but that was never Lee's recruit to begin with. AJ got hurt, but let's face it, AJ would have been coming here no matter who the coach was, he just needed a scholarship. I just think there is a ceiling in Lee's recruiting. He doesn't have a lot of personality. It's going to be tough for him to win recruiting battles with Hendo. That's probably why we have had to go the foreign route so often. Not as many schools to compete with. In an ideal world I would like to bring in a head coach with a little more personality that is able to recruit better, and keep Lee on to develop the talent. So the good news is I think if we can get some talented recruits in we do have the coach that can get us to where we want to go. The bad news is, I'm not overly optimistic that he's going to be able to get those recruits we need. Not saying he can't, just saying I'm not optimistic that he will. usdcoyote, Well said and it would be hard to add much to what you just said. Lee is a far below average recruiter especially considering what USD has or had going for itself. As an in game coach he is probably above average but it all just adds up to a mediocre program when you blend it all together. I am just back and forth on whether to want to pull the plug or put faith in him for a little longer. Next season IMO is the best we will ever see out of Lee. I don't think he is going to get much better as far as running a college program. But we will see because every time I seem to write him off he gets better and then when I think he is coming around there is some type of regression. I do agree that his personality comes off as not real positive and I do think that hurts recruiting.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 15, 2022 1:39:57 GMT -6
Seems that there is a lot of what amounts to as player bashing in this thread as to their perceived lack of talent. Players and recruits do read this board. It would sure fire up a player or recruit to know that fans of the team don't think that they're very good. So since recruits read this board should we just lie and sugar coat things. That is not the way I approach it. If praise is deserved praise should be given. if criticism is deserved it should be given. I would like to think we should hold our school to a high standard compared to other Summit schools. I think we should be top 3 or better every year and should have had at least one NCAA tourney appearance by now and a lot more than one finals appearance. That is just not good enough unless you have low standards period. The tourney being in Sioux Falls should be a positive but the Men's program has somehow turned that into a disadvantage if you look at their record there. 5-9 is 5-9 any way you slice it. Smith and Lee both have a hand in that. Other than Omaha every other former NCC school has been to the NCAA tournament including Northern Colorado and North Dakota whom SD was better than in the last couple of decades in D2. Isn't it about damn time that the Coyotes got to the big dance by now. It seems like the fan base, coaches, admin etc just don't really care as much about that as they should. The Coyotes have not had the type of teams that have stepped up when it has mattered most. That is a fact. Right now the Coyotes are 5th place behind Kansas City in the standings. No one cares about the Kangaroos and they play in a unglorified high school gym. So should SD be behind a team like that. Everyone can ask themselves that question. AJ or no AJ the Coyotes should not be behind them in the standings period. If that is OK with everyone than lets just stand pat and give Lee a lifetime contract. Based on Herbster's history and the poll that was just taken now is the time to lock up Lee to a new 5 year deal as the highest paid coach in the league.
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Post by gopheryote on Feb 15, 2022 6:52:05 GMT -6
I agree with most everyone else that Lee does seem to get the most out of the talent that he has, but at what point do we start to blame him for the talent that we have? Yes Stan left, but that was never Lee's recruit to begin with. AJ got hurt, but let's face it, AJ would have been coming here no matter who the coach was, he just needed a scholarship. I just think there is a ceiling in Lee's recruiting. He doesn't have a lot of personality. It's going to be tough for him to win recruiting battles with Hendo. That's probably why we have had to go the foreign route so often. Not as many schools to compete with. In an ideal world I would like to bring in a head coach with a little more personality that is able to recruit better, and keep Lee on to develop the talent. So the good news is I think if we can get some talented recruits in we do have the coach that can get us to where we want to go. The bad news is, I'm not overly optimistic that he's going to be able to get those recruits we need. Not saying he can't, just saying I'm not optimistic that he will. usdcoyote, Well said and it would be hard to add much to what you just said. Lee is a far below average recruiter especially considering what USD has or had going for itself. As an in game coach he is probably above average but it all just adds up to a mediocre program when you blend it all together. I am just back and forth on whether to want to pull the plug or put faith in him for a little longer. Next season IMO is the best we will ever see out of Lee. I don't think he is going to get much better as far as running a college program. But we will see because every time I seem to write him off he gets better and then when I think he is coming around there is some type of regression. I do agree that his personality comes off as not real positive and I do think that hurts recruiting. Sorry guys, but you are moving from having an opinion to objectively wrong. He did recruit Hags, Stan (twice) and AJ - that is how the transfer portal world works. The foreign route remains a great way to find skilled big guys (if you have the connections, which we don't any more). The current roster includes 2 freshman of the year players from D2 conferences, a juco all american, and juco all american honorable mention. And they are not in the top 3 best players on this years team. We have two recruits/redshirts that are widely considered to be immediate impact/1st team SL kind of players. And all of that is background to the realization that Lee appears to be the best coach in SL at developing players and making them better and better each year.
All that said, I think the current assistant coaches are better recruiters than we have had in the past - maybe ever.
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Post by usdcoyote on Feb 15, 2022 7:55:57 GMT -6
usdcoyote, Well said and it would be hard to add much to what you just said. Lee is a far below average recruiter especially considering what USD has or had going for itself. As an in game coach he is probably above average but it all just adds up to a mediocre program when you blend it all together. I am just back and forth on whether to want to pull the plug or put faith in him for a little longer. Next season IMO is the best we will ever see out of Lee. I don't think he is going to get much better as far as running a college program. But we will see because every time I seem to write him off he gets better and then when I think he is coming around there is some type of regression. I do agree that his personality comes off as not real positive and I do think that hurts recruiting.
All that said, I think the current assistant coaches are better recruiters than we have had in the past - maybe ever.
I do have hope that our current assistant coaches are going to be able to help our recruiting situation. I have heard good things about them. They are going to have to be the ones to get the recruits in here, I don't think it's going to be Lee. This certainly wouldn't make our program unique. A lot of good head coaches aren't great at the recruiting thing. I didn't realize we had two recruits/redshirts that were considered to be immediate impact/1st team SL players. If that is true then I'm much more optimistic than I was. I also wouldn't mind winning an instate recruiting battle. Hopefully that happens with Isaac Bruns.
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Post by captaincoyote on Feb 15, 2022 9:32:07 GMT -6
Who is the redshirt that is expected to make a big impact?
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 15, 2022 9:41:35 GMT -6
I plan to shut down this poll in a couple days so it will have been up for a week. Vote if you haven't already...
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 18, 2022 11:52:34 GMT -6
29 votes in, looks like Lee has a "USDCoyoteSports Message Board Approval Rating" (UCSMBAR Rating) of: 58.6% favorable 24.1% unfavorable 17.2% undecided Final numbers: 62.5% favorable 21.9% unfavorable 15.6% undecided
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 18, 2022 13:27:01 GMT -6
The Coyotes are going to need to start playing better against the teams above them in the standings. So far they are 0-6 against the top 4 teams in the Summit with games yet to come at KC and at ORU. They have been doing a nice job of taking care of the teams below them and often very convincingly but can they up the level against the better teams?
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Post by yotefan90 on Feb 18, 2022 14:55:42 GMT -6
The Coyotes are going to need to start playing better against the teams above them in the standings. So far they are 0-6 against the top 4 teams in the Summit with games yet to come at KC and at ORU. They have been doing a nice job of taking care of the teams below them and often very convincingly but can they up the level against the better teams? While there is certainly truth in what you are saying, when they played is also a factor. SDSU in first and 2 losses to them. But hey, so has everyone else. NDSU in 2nd and 2 losses to them. Could and should have been 2 wins but it wasn't to be. 3rd and 4th place team and the Yotes have 1 loss to each of them. However, it was on the opening weekend of league play. No doubt that this team is different today than they were the weekend before Christmas. 100% agree with you that they need to take care of business tomorrow and we will know more about them if they can pull off a road sweep next weekend.
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