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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 18, 2022 23:39:46 GMT -6
29 votes in, looks like Lee has a "USDCoyoteSports Message Board Approval Rating" (UCSMBAR Rating) of: 58.6% favorable 24.1% unfavorable 17.2% undecided Final numbers: 62.5% favorable 21.9% unfavorable 15.6% undecided I don't necessarily consider option 4 as favorable. It admits that he has had bad hands (that is an opinion BTW) and deserves more time. I don't consider that favorable. It doesn't show that he has been a very good coach but moreso an incomplete grade. I don't buy the "he has received unfavorable hands" crap at all. Good coaches overcome. If we were Western Illinois or Kansas City sure give him more time. I have higher standards as a fan and alum. How many more years without getting to the NCAA tourney will we live through. 3, 5, 10 or maybe 20. How would everyone feel if Omaha made the big dance before the Coyotes?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 18, 2022 23:42:32 GMT -6
This is a good thread. It should be discussed all off season long whatever option you voted on.
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Post by burbankbob on Feb 19, 2022 23:06:24 GMT -6
I’m not against international players, but getting a few from the upper Midwest or SoDak would be nice. We are pretty young. He gets a lot out of mediocre talent. Going to the Big Dance would be great. It’s never going to be a regular event even if Boots was coaching. I live in Mn and watch online. Are we drawing about 2500 or so. Looks pretty spotty in the seats.
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Post by yoteforever on Feb 20, 2022 7:40:31 GMT -6
Seems that there is a lot of what amounts to as player bashing in this thread as to their perceived lack of talent. Players and recruits do read this board. It would sure fire up a player or recruit to know that fans of the team don't think that they're very good. So since recruits read this board should we just lie and sugar coat things. That is not the way I approach it. If praise is deserved praise should be given. if criticism is deserved it should be given. I would like to think we should hold our school to a high standard compared to other Summit schools. I think we should be top 3 or better every year and should have had at least one NCAA tourney appearance by now and a lot more than one finals appearance. That is just not good enough unless you have low standards period. The tourney being in Sioux Falls should be a positive but the Men's program has somehow turned that into a disadvantage if you look at their record there. 5-9 is 5-9 any way you slice it. Smith and Lee both have a hand in that. Other than Omaha every other former NCC school has been to the NCAA tournament including Northern Colorado and North Dakota whom SD was better than in the last couple of decades in D2. Isn't it about damn time that the Coyotes got to the big dance by now. It seems like the fan base, coaches, admin etc just don't really care as much about that as they should. The Coyotes have not had the type of teams that have stepped up when it has mattered most. That is a fact. Right now the Coyotes are 5th place behind Kansas City in the standings. No one cares about the Kangaroos and they play in a unglorified high school gym. So should SD be behind a team like that. Everyone can ask themselves that question. AJ or no AJ the Coyotes should not be behind them in the standings period. If that is OK with everyone than lets just stand pat and give Lee a lifetime contract. Based on Herbster's history and the poll that was just taken now is the time to lock up Lee to a new 5 year deal as the highest paid coach in the league. You continue to be the “tough guy” fan. Critical of players and critical of coaches. You somehow think your view is the gold standard by how one should be judged. You’re extremely hard on Coach Lee and it’s based on one fact. We haven’t made the post season tournament. Well then Craig Smith must be a horse crap coach because he never went to the NCAA dance. But oh wait. One Craig Smith is now making $2.5M a year coaching a PAC 12 team. So someone sees something in him. So the AD at Utah ( or Utah State ) must be complete idiots. Let’s have a poll letting us vote on that. Or let’s a poll on each regular poster in here on what kind of fans we are. Your “objective, but tough” standard should be applied. The poll would say something to the affect of: 1. Loyal fan cheering the Coyotes on no matter what and have had season tickets on a regular basis 2. Cheer on the Coyotes but I’m to far away to attend regularly but I donate to the program to help build it 3. Don’t go to games at all but “yeah I hope they win” 4. I only go to games if the teams are proven winners. Never buy season tickets because it’s cheaper not to. And I run my mouth 24/7 saying things that make me wake up in the morning knowing I have a superior view over all others because I know this (objectively of course ) stuff and have a better feel of assessing coaching or playing talent than any AD in the country. What is your investment in USD athletics that gives you the moral superiority to be so damn critical of every team we field? You may not give because it isn’t economically viable, I get that. But do you buy season tickets? Do you join the Howling Pack at the $100 level even? What is it that gives you moral superiority over every other fan? To be truthful, you are an AD’s nightmare. I would bet you scowl if things aren’t going as you think they should. In closing, I wasn’t a huge fan of the Coach Lee hire to start with. My reasons are personal. And yes I wish the focus on recruits wasn’t foreign, but as I’ve said before. This team is OUR TEAM. And I have to say to the non basketball mind I am, these guys have improved. They’ve made progress and Todd Lee has shown me he can coach. I’m proud of these guys. Todd deserves more time. These guys are winners. And I support each and every coach the Coyotes have. They are winners. Now would you please go buy a season ticket? At Frost Arena perhaps
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Post by elcoyote on Feb 20, 2022 12:08:40 GMT -6
I’m not against international players, but getting a few from the upper Midwest or SoDak would be nice. We are pretty young. He gets a lot out of mediocre talent. Going to the Big Dance would be great. It’s never going to be a regular event even if Boots was coaching. I live in Mn and watch online. Are we drawing about 2500 or so. Looks pretty spotty in the seats. I don't get this "mediocre talent" crap that some are spewing.
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Post by elcoyote on Feb 20, 2022 12:19:55 GMT -6
So since recruits read this board should we just lie and sugar coat things. That is not the way I approach it. If praise is deserved praise should be given. if criticism is deserved it should be given. I would like to think we should hold our school to a high standard compared to other Summit schools. I think we should be top 3 or better every year and should have had at least one NCAA tourney appearance by now and a lot more than one finals appearance. That is just not good enough unless you have low standards period. The tourney being in Sioux Falls should be a positive but the Men's program has somehow turned that into a disadvantage if you look at their record there. 5-9 is 5-9 any way you slice it. Smith and Lee both have a hand in that. Other than Omaha every other former NCC school has been to the NCAA tournament including Northern Colorado and North Dakota whom SD was better than in the last couple of decades in D2. Isn't it about damn time that the Coyotes got to the big dance by now. It seems like the fan base, coaches, admin etc just don't really care as much about that as they should. The Coyotes have not had the type of teams that have stepped up when it has mattered most. That is a fact. Right now the Coyotes are 5th place behind Kansas City in the standings. No one cares about the Kangaroos and they play in a unglorified high school gym. So should SD be behind a team like that. Everyone can ask themselves that question. AJ or no AJ the Coyotes should not be behind them in the standings period. If that is OK with everyone than lets just stand pat and give Lee a lifetime contract. Based on Herbster's history and the poll that was just taken now is the time to lock up Lee to a new 5 year deal as the highest paid coach in the league. You continue to be the “tough guy” fan. Critical of players and critical of coaches. You somehow think your view is the gold standard by how one should be judged. You’re extremely hard on Coach Lee and it’s based on one fact. We haven’t made the post season tournament. Well then Craig Smith must be a horse crap coach because he never went to the NCAA dance. But oh wait. One Craig Smith is now making $2.5M a year coaching a PAC 12 team. So someone sees something in him. So the AD at Utah ( or Utah State ) must be complete idiots. Let’s have a poll letting us vote on that. Or let’s a poll on each regular poster in here on what kind of fans we are. Your “objective, but tough” standard should be applied. The poll would say something to the affect of: 1. Loyal fan cheering the Coyotes on no matter what and have had season tickets on a regular basis 2. Cheer on the Coyotes but I’m to far away to attend regularly but I donate to the program to help build it 3. Don’t go to games at all but “yeah I hope they win” 4. I only go to games if the teams are proven winners. Never buy season tickets because it’s cheaper not to. And I run my mouth 24/7 saying things that make me wake up in the morning knowing I have a superior view over all others because I know this (objectively of course ) stuff and have a better feel of assessing coaching or playing talent than any AD in the country. What is your investment in USD athletics that gives you the moral superiority to be so damn critical of every team we field? You may not give because it isn’t economically viable, I get that. But do you buy season tickets? Do you join the Howling Pack at the $100 level even? What is it that gives you moral superiority over every other fan? To be truthful, you are an AD’s nightmare. I would bet you scowl if things aren’t going as you think they should. In closing, I wasn’t a huge fan of the Coach Lee hire to start with. My reasons are personal. And yes I wish the focus on recruits wasn’t foreign, but as I’ve said before. This team is OUR TEAM. And I have to say to the non basketball mind I am, these guys have improved. They’ve made progress and Todd Lee has shown me he can coach. I’m proud of these guys. Todd deserves more time. These guys are winners. And I support each and every coach the Coyotes have. They are winners. Now would you please go buy a season ticket? At Frost Arena perhaps How dare you question Coyote Fan! No one on this board has ever brought the intensity or competitiveness to athletics that he brings. No one can match the legendary exploits of his storied athletic career. Those of us who are so satisfied with mediocrity should take note, listen and learn.
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Post by easmus on Feb 20, 2022 21:17:41 GMT -6
I take issue with the assertion that Herbster simply hands out 5 year contracts like candy. Todd Lee’s initial contract was 3 years, I believe the max at that time. Then after 2 years, he was probably wanting some security and an extension. But rather than a full 5 years (the new max), they agreed to a new 3 year contract. The first year of the new 3 replaced the last of the original 3. Next year will be the final year, of the 2nd 3 year deal, and his 5th at USD. My guess is that he may not get a new extension before next season, unless they were to get to the SLT finals. My guess is the administration will want to see if they can be in the top 2 of the conference with next year’s squad having the growth from this season, plus AJ back healthy. Let’s not forget that in that final weekend against NDSU Lee had them contending for a top 2 seed if memory serves me correctly.
They’ve been recruiting Iowa well it appears, as well as juco ranks. Sucks they missed on Paul Bruns, who ended up at UND. But how’s that going? I for one have been very surprised that Paul Sather is really struggling this season. They’re 2-14, DFL! Even behind ineligible St Thomas! We’re currently 10-6. I think next year will be better, and things could certainly be worse. If next year’s team doesn’t look dynamic, then he’s probably gone. This will work itself out in due time.
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Post by seayote on Feb 20, 2022 22:26:48 GMT -6
I’m not against international players, but getting a few from the upper Midwest or SoDak would be nice. We are pretty young. He gets a lot out of mediocre talent. Going to the Big Dance would be great. It’s never going to be a regular event even if Boots was coaching. I live in Mn and watch online. Are we drawing about 2500 or so. Looks pretty spotty in the seats. Saturday's crowd of 2,814 was the 7th largest for a men's game in the brief history of the arena. I rarely miss a game, so I know what the typical crowd looks and sounds like. That was somewhat larger and louder (because of the flow of the game) than usual. I'll bet Damani Hayes will never forget the roar that ensued after his emphatic late-game dunk all but sealed the win. Sure, it would be nice to fill the place every night, but that's not reasonable. I would bet that Coyote players, both men and women, are grateful for the crowd support they receive when compared to other venues around the Summit. Drive on down next weekend and join the fun.
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Post by burbankbob on Feb 20, 2022 23:29:30 GMT -6
Elcoyote, lighten up. I was giving a compliment to the coach. In a way, I was complimenting the players for their effort and, what I deem, as pretty successful seasons lately. Glad to see we are drawing some fans. It’s a great court. I remember the new armory growing up playing the Cuban national team. My Dad played for Clodie back in the 60’s. Will always be a fan. I’ll try to spew less crap. I think we are more like minded than you think. I like Coach Lee.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 21, 2022 0:30:38 GMT -6
So since recruits read this board should we just lie and sugar coat things. That is not the way I approach it. If praise is deserved praise should be given. if criticism is deserved it should be given. I would like to think we should hold our school to a high standard compared to other Summit schools. I think we should be top 3 or better every year and should have had at least one NCAA tourney appearance by now and a lot more than one finals appearance. That is just not good enough unless you have low standards period. The tourney being in Sioux Falls should be a positive but the Men's program has somehow turned that into a disadvantage if you look at their record there. 5-9 is 5-9 any way you slice it. Smith and Lee both have a hand in that. Other than Omaha every other former NCC school has been to the NCAA tournament including Northern Colorado and North Dakota whom SD was better than in the last couple of decades in D2. Isn't it about damn time that the Coyotes got to the big dance by now. It seems like the fan base, coaches, admin etc just don't really care as much about that as they should. The Coyotes have not had the type of teams that have stepped up when it has mattered most. That is a fact. Right now the Coyotes are 5th place behind Kansas City in the standings. No one cares about the Kangaroos and they play in a unglorified high school gym. So should SD be behind a team like that. Everyone can ask themselves that question. AJ or no AJ the Coyotes should not be behind them in the standings period. If that is OK with everyone than lets just stand pat and give Lee a lifetime contract. Based on Herbster's history and the poll that was just taken now is the time to lock up Lee to a new 5 year deal as the highest paid coach in the league. You continue to be the “tough guy” fan. Critical of players and critical of coaches. You somehow think your view is the gold standard by how one should be judged. You’re extremely hard on Coach Lee and it’s based on one fact. We haven’t made the post season tournament. Well then Craig Smith must be a horse crap coach because he never went to the NCAA dance. But oh wait. One Craig Smith is now making $2.5M a year coaching a PAC 12 team. So someone sees something in him. So the AD at Utah ( or Utah State ) must be complete idiots. Let’s have a poll letting us vote on that. Or let’s a poll on each regular poster in here on what kind of fans we are. Your “objective, but tough” standard should be applied. The poll would say something to the affect of: 1. Loyal fan cheering the Coyotes on no matter what and have had season tickets on a regular basis 2. Cheer on the Coyotes but I’m to far away to attend regularly but I donate to the program to help build it 3. Don’t go to games at all but “yeah I hope they win” 4. I only go to games if the teams are proven winners. Never buy season tickets because it’s cheaper not to. And I run my mouth 24/7 saying things that make me wake up in the morning knowing I have a superior view over all others because I know this (objectively of course ) stuff and have a better feel of assessing coaching or playing talent than any AD in the country. What is your investment in USD athletics that gives you the moral superiority to be so damn critical of every team we field? You may not give because it isn’t economically viable, I get that. But do you buy season tickets? Do you join the Howling Pack at the $100 level even? What is it that gives you moral superiority over every other fan? To be truthful, you are an AD’s nightmare. I would bet you scowl if things aren’t going as you think they should. In closing, I wasn’t a huge fan of the Coach Lee hire to start with. My reasons are personal. And yes I wish the focus on recruits wasn’t foreign, but as I’ve said before. This team is OUR TEAM. And I have to say to the non basketball mind I am, these guys have improved. They’ve made progress and Todd Lee has shown me he can coach. I’m proud of these guys. Todd deserves more time. These guys are winners. And I support each and every coach the Coyotes have. They are winners. Now would you please go buy a season ticket? At Frost Arena perhaps I don't post on posters, I post on topics. I suggest you do the same.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 21, 2022 0:32:18 GMT -6
You continue to be the “tough guy” fan. Critical of players and critical of coaches. You somehow think your view is the gold standard by how one should be judged. You’re extremely hard on Coach Lee and it’s based on one fact. We haven’t made the post season tournament. Well then Craig Smith must be a horse crap coach because he never went to the NCAA dance. But oh wait. One Craig Smith is now making $2.5M a year coaching a PAC 12 team. So someone sees something in him. So the AD at Utah ( or Utah State ) must be complete idiots. Let’s have a poll letting us vote on that. Or let’s a poll on each regular poster in here on what kind of fans we are. Your “objective, but tough” standard should be applied. The poll would say something to the affect of: 1. Loyal fan cheering the Coyotes on no matter what and have had season tickets on a regular basis 2. Cheer on the Coyotes but I’m to far away to attend regularly but I donate to the program to help build it 3. Don’t go to games at all but “yeah I hope they win” 4. I only go to games if the teams are proven winners. Never buy season tickets because it’s cheaper not to. And I run my mouth 24/7 saying things that make me wake up in the morning knowing I have a superior view over all others because I know this (objectively of course ) stuff and have a better feel of assessing coaching or playing talent than any AD in the country. What is your investment in USD athletics that gives you the moral superiority to be so damn critical of every team we field? You may not give because it isn’t economically viable, I get that. But do you buy season tickets? Do you join the Howling Pack at the $100 level even? What is it that gives you moral superiority over every other fan? To be truthful, you are an AD’s nightmare. I would bet you scowl if things aren’t going as you think they should. In closing, I wasn’t a huge fan of the Coach Lee hire to start with. My reasons are personal. And yes I wish the focus on recruits wasn’t foreign, but as I’ve said before. This team is OUR TEAM. And I have to say to the non basketball mind I am, these guys have improved. They’ve made progress and Todd Lee has shown me he can coach. I’m proud of these guys. Todd deserves more time. These guys are winners. And I support each and every coach the Coyotes have. They are winners. Now would you please go buy a season ticket? At Frost Arena perhaps How dare you question Coyote Fan! No one on this board has ever brought the intensity or competitiveness to athletics that he brings. No one can match the legendary exploits of his storied athletic career. Those of us who are so satisfied with mediocrity should take note, listen and learn. As I posted for Yoteforever. Please keep the discussion to topics not posters.
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Post by burbankbob on Feb 21, 2022 0:52:10 GMT -6
My last post on this website. . Life’s too short. I don’t have all the answers, and others do. Keep up the good work. That’s how social media works. Go ‘Yotes. I hope Coach Lee and his teams kick but.
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Post by burbankbob on Feb 21, 2022 1:24:29 GMT -6
My last post on this website. Heart breaker I’m sure. . . Life’s too short. I don’t have all the answers, and others do. Keep up the good work. That’s how social media works. Go ‘Yotes. I hope Coach Lee and his teams kick butt.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 21, 2022 12:17:07 GMT -6
...We’re currently 10-6. I think next year will be better, and things could certainly be worse... This is a good point. Trying to disparage this season's results by focusing on being in 5th place is silly. We are four games ahead of 6th-place Western Illinois (6-10 record), and only two games behind 2nd-place Oral Roberts (12-4 record). That's pretty darn good. Seeds 2-5 are very close in record this year.
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Post by seayote on Feb 21, 2022 12:30:58 GMT -6
...We’re currently 10-6. I think next year will be better, and things could certainly be worse... This is a good point. Trying to disparage this season's results by focusing on being in 5th place is silly. We are four games ahead of 6th-place Western Illinois (6-10 record), and only two games behind 2nd-place Oral Roberts (12-4 record). That's pretty darn good. Seeds 2-5 are very close in record this year. I agree. In my estimation, this has been a very good season. When you consider the scoring punch and leadership we lost from last year's team, there was a lot of uncertainty. I'm excited for the rest of this season, as well as for the future.
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